Prisons healthcare wages wall street. the private sector has proven to be more ineffective than gov

April 17, 2017, 11:41 am

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The debate "Prisons healthcare wages wall street. the private sector has proven to be more ineffective than gov" was started by Nemiroff on April 17, 2017, 11:41 am. 16 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 2 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

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Nemiroff, makson, PsychDave, wmd, blue_rayy, SirIntegra and 10 visitors agree.
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Nemiroff
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how are private prisons crony capitalism. can you explain this crony capitalism? last time I asked you vanished. there is little point replying to you if you don't participate.

2 years, 4 months ago
Nemiroff
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I don't understand your prison argument. the state's parameters are not for income or selfishness, or at least shouldnt be. the goal of a prison system ideally should be to minimize recidivism and to have empty prisons. that will not turn a profit and is against the interests of private institutions.

in general, the private industry is great at efficiency when it comes to money profit. but for any other goal, private markets simply do not care and drop the ball. as for racism, it may or may not be systematic in prisons but I'm pretty sure the main concern is in street enforcement and court sentencing. prisons seem pretty eq.ually horrible.

the hospital cannot reject you is the reason for more government health care. if we provide people with access to preventive care, do you have any idea how much last minute emergency care in an ER costs compared to early interventions?

I was talking about wages. the whole supply vs demand assumption is a failure as employers consolidate into massive companies with fewer competition, while at the same time lobbying to disrupt any attempts by workers to unionize, destroying any power on the demand side and any chance at a fair market solution.

the gov didn't bail out wall street, they bailed out banks. but deregulating wall street leads to high risk investing, bubbles, busts, and recessions. this is what the unregulated free market does. pursuit of profit, to hell with everything else.

2 years, 4 months ago

The prison argument would work for both if the parameters are selfish or more income. In fact, that is where most of the argument of systematic racism comes from. Prisons are also overcrowded (Take California for example) and if the private sector needs more money, they simply have to request more prisoners. Rehab programs can also be in the private sector so... depends on a private sector's specialty as some government prisons forgo this as well.

I don't know if they deny care elsewhere but care cannot be denied, and hospitals cannot collect for bills. Coverage is a different story, but then again care plans are cancelled more often, cost rises (yes, premiums do rise, but your payments include risks from other users, not just you.) Wait times as well, do you ever notice that American vets get free healthcare, but oftentimes opt for private programs. Death sentence simplifies the issue, and doesn't account for the lack of coverage. You get coverage, no doubt, but you can't "use" it.

Wages as in a minimum wage or government jobs vs private sector? Government pay is good because it is guaranteed, needed work. Of course it will pay well, granted hours for something like police are just as terrible, some require degrees, and occasional government shutdown. You have the bare ones insurance should you chose to not get a private plan. I don't see the issue if the government is better here, but better is a personal choice, not a general consensus.

In the end with wall street, what happens when the government decides that some things can't fail and must be bailed out? It is the government deciding then, on these failures. Also, is there a government version of this that isn't heinous?

2 years, 4 months ago
PsychDave
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For profit prisons are a terrible idea. Prisons should try to teach people not to commit crimes. For profit ones would not make more than a token effort at this since people committing crimes is how they make money, so they want people to reoffend.

Private healthcare is great for those with money, and a death sentence for those without. The "governments interference" prevents perfect from dying of curable diseases simply because they can't afford to see a doctor, let alone get basic treatments. Less private interference and more government interference is needed. Maybe then the US wouldn't be one of if not the most expensive nations in the world for things as basic as having a child.

Wages being regulated by the government prevents people from starving to death while working full time, or at least it is supposed to to. No company that depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. Government oversight makes sure people who are most in need are not being abused.

2 years, 4 months ago

Prisions - Crony Capitalism
Healthcare - Government interference
Wages - Government regulation
Wall street - Not very read up on the topic

These would all be better if the government didn't interfere in any of it.

2 years, 4 months ago

wow.... was not expecting universal agreement (so far 7 0) on this topic.

2 years, 5 months ago
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