Pro-Trump/Anti-Trump

January 18, 2017, 6:28 pm

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The debate "Pro-Trump/Anti-Trump" was started by LeftoverEye70 on January 18, 2017, 6:28 pm. 20 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 15 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

ProfessorX posted 1 argument, MrShine posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
juniorsnow14 posted 1 argument, PoliticsAsUsual posted 6 arguments to the disagreers part.

LeftoverEye70, MrShine, XenoBoy, ProfessorX, smv2005, Ematio and 14 visitors agree.
juniorsnow14, Brayden24, TheExistentialist, PoliticsAsUsual, Petit_Lion, navi_0000 and 9 visitors disagree.

RogueAmerican
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And that information was shown to be very inconsistent. His reputation does not protect him from his errors. I will criticise wikileaks for their inaccurate stories. But the difference here is accuracy.

2 years, 2 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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and the source of this information is a British intelligence agent who has been known to be credible for a long time.

wiki leaks has proclaimed that they don't judge the validity of what they publish. they receive, they print. that's hardly equal.

2 years, 2 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Its a leak cite. Id they were wrong in their leaks, they would lose credibility. They have a stake in their system.

2 years, 2 months ago

so because it was shown to be correct in the future it was OK to release it in the past?!?

when it was released, was it verified? or are we going to really pretend crystal balls exist.

2 years, 2 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Cuz wikileaks wasnt wrongm

2 years, 2 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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I'm for the wiki release, why are you against the buzz feed release?

2 years, 2 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Show me the any discrediting of Wikileaks. That what they have released is false. CNN, a trusted newsource, got information dead wrong. They mentioned the wrong person who went to the Kremlin.

2 years, 2 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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they were not false. but we did not know that at the time, and we didn't know where they came from before wiki leaks got them. it turns out they were Russian and we were just guessing they weren't edited. I'm curious how does that make them more newsworthy than the information that our top intelligence agencies are actively investigating how an enemy power has collateral over our soon to be leader.

eitherway, I'm all for release as long as it has proper disclaimers. my questions stay.

why the double standard on the part of you and the rest of the Republicans compared to your positive reaction to the utterly nonsense fake news about hillary?

why the double standard on trumps claim to release all and let the people decide?

I won't drop these 2 questions and I hope others here will push you on them when I go afk as well.
please address them, stop avoiding them.

2 years, 2 months ago
PsychDave
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I believe that falls into the overblown category.

2 years, 2 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Do we bat an eye to the fact that as soon as their political careers ended, the global initiative is closing.

2 years, 2 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Are the Emails released by wikileaks false?

2 years, 2 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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no, the allegations against Hillary fall into 2 categories. false, or overblown.

trumps are numerous and grevious.

@mrshine.
Trump refused to pay numerous contractors what he owed them. mostly small business owners.

what bullying? he used influence to have her property be condemned after she refused to sell. that is theft!

because he made the claim in court that the president would be too busy and the judge pressured the plaintiffs to settle.

he still has several dozen other law suits pending. the press can't cover him. he is a DoS attack of controversy on the press. he is overloading the system to the point that nothing can get covered properly and the people can't put 2+2+2(to infinity) together to see the bigger picture of how messed up the whole picture of Trump really is.

2 years, 2 months ago

Immigration, Economic growth, bringing back jobs due to business tax reduction and and abortion are all problems in America that I believe will be solved under his administration

2 years, 3 months ago

You are all looking at the personal allegations to find a reason to be anti-Trump. I can do the same for Clinton Benghazi, the email scandal, her husband is a rapist, and the whitewater incident. she's in this job for the money. list goes on.

Now onto what really matters about politics is the policies of each candidate had at the time. Trump was obviously conservative so he had more old school way on approaching a problem. Clinton was liberal so her views moved along with societies moral standings. Take for example abortion: I am majority with trump due to the fact that my views pinpoint that it isn't ok to have an abortion when the brainwaves are created in the babies brain.

Now I am for Trump and I will probably always be a Republican for just the views itself.

2 years, 3 months ago

I see the third column in the discussion has no lack of press. Unfortunately, like some (though not all) of complaints against Hillary, it's very easy to throw shit. Unfortunately it doesn't stick.

Which Refusal?
The emotional appeal is crippling, but what bullying was done?
Trump U claims came prominently during the election, and died down after. Wonder why?

Not going to promise he's a good person, he could be a dickbag, but our leader doesn't have to be a good person.

2 years, 3 months ago

and his refusal to pay contractors?
coercing politicians to condemn an old lady's house with eminent domain for personal profit?
his defrauding of poor people with Trump U along with the deceptive and aggressive pushing of ever more expensive course on people who openly stated they could not afford it (and then failing to deliver on the promises after they paid)?

2 years, 3 months ago

No, snowflake logic is when people that are incapable of holding office are allowed to do so because everyone deserves something. He didn't necessarily deserve it, but he was elected on qualification. What qualification? Age, citizenship, the actual qualifications.

Dating daughter? Sexual assaults? Illegal activities? Must've been huffing that left wing ideology. He did a weird complement saying if she wasn't his daughter, no doubt. However, if it isn't so reassuring, then chalk it up to the same as CNN's suggestions on succession if a huge chunk of the president and his team died.

Saying "and they'll let you do it" shows the statement can't be done without consent. The women that claimed any sort of harm after the tape, which by the way was supposed to be sexual in nature as that would've sold had it not been cut, have not only been debunked (wrong hair, wrong airliner, suspicious payments) but also virtually disappeared. Where are they at?

Illegal activities? Which ones? Unethical buisnesswise practices suggests that someone got fired unfairly, labor was unfairly received, some form of customer payment was coerced, or donation money went missing for a hatian effort. Wait... we don't go that far.

2 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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The idea that we need to give him a chance is the same entitled, snowflake logic that usually conservatives condemn. We don't need to wait for him to say and do terrible things to judge him. We already have a record of his actions and words. He doesn't get a blank slate now that he is in office. He's still the same person who talked about dating his daughter, grabbing unwilling women by the genitals, and going to court for unethical and illegal business practices.

2 years, 3 months ago

Give him a chance!

2 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Theyre both capable of nuclear weapons. They rely on ours.

2 years, 3 months ago
neveralone
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that definitely isn't wise but his ideas have been watering down already so more than likely he won't try to do that. then of course he will have to go through Congress. to be clear I'm not for Trump or Hillary.

2 years, 3 months ago

Donald Trump said he wants South Korea and Japan to have their own nuclear weapons this is irresponsible and dangerous, because it adds hire risk of a doomsday scenario putting everyone on Earth in Greater Danger. it's clear this man should not be president of the United States

2 years, 3 months ago
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