Proud American Speech regarding the Invasion of Muslims and the preservation of the white race

April 4, 2016, 12:53 pm

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The debate "Proud American Speech regarding the Invasion of Muslims and the preservation of the white race" was started by ProudAmerican888 on April 4, 2016, 12:53 pm. 11 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 18 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

ProudAmerican888 posted 1 argument, Austin7779 posted 10 arguments to the agreers part.
Alex posted 13 arguments, Pugsly posted 1 argument, historybuff posted 4 arguments, Nemiroff posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.

ProudAmerican888, burntoast2000, cancer_wins, Austin7779, fadi and 6 visitors agree.
Alex, Pugsly, RyanWakefield, historybuff, bennie, Awanda, Nemiroff, JakobBoghora and 10 visitors disagree.

there are definitely genes that can identify someone as a certain race, but there are also so many differences within a race that we are simply not looking for. If we start with the idea that races are real, then we will definitely find some differentiation among the code, but if you look at it critically, those differences are insignificant and don't even stand out when you look at all the differences within races. the actual % of different genes does not change among races or regions.

3 years, 5 months ago

we are not all the same, but there is just as much genetic variation between different Americans, or even different Texans, as there is variation between Americans and Africans.

no 2 humans (except identical twins) are exactly the same, but we are all equally different from each other around the world. there is only the human "race"

http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-01-02.htm

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That's because most human variation falls within, not between populations. About 85% of all genetic variation can, on average, be found within any local population, be they Swedes, Kikuyu, or Hmong. About 94% can be found within any continental population, consistent with what the Rosenberg Science study found. In fact, there are no characteristics, no traits, not even one gene that turns up in all members of one so-called race yet is absent from others.

3 years, 5 months ago

show me your sources that we are all the same

3 years, 5 months ago

there is virtually no difference between the genetics of different races. there are no evolutionary differences. they did not evolve differently. your views about races seems to be wildly outdated.

3 years, 5 months ago
Nemiroff
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I meant a reason why we would want them here regardless of the situation in their region.

3 years, 5 months ago

certain things evolved along side skin color like hair

3 years, 5 months ago
Austin7779
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@nerimeff then yes but we should be helping the region their in if it's in choas expecially in the middle east we destabilize it and now won't fix it

3 years, 5 months ago

it's not just skin pigment and also each races evolved differently to survive the area their in even swing pigment is apart of them which allows more light to be absorbed

3 years, 5 months ago

frankly, genetic difference between races are nonexistent. there is far more variability within any race than there is between the races. it would be the same as considering people with a different hair color or tallness to be a different race. genetically speaking, they are equally different, but culturally, tallness is not seen as being an important division.

3 years, 5 months ago

the difference between white and black genetically is virtually non existent. there is no difference. so the idea that the white race needs to be protected is kind of rediculous. we are no different than a black person, it's just skin pigmentation.

3 years, 5 months ago
Nemiroff
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what if we had a good reason to bring them in?

3 years, 5 months ago

what u didn't even talk about America at all I just said white countires

3 years, 5 months ago

and yes it was founded on immigrants seeking a better life doesn't mean we should let in tons of people for no reason

3 years, 5 months ago

I never said I am just talking about America

3 years, 5 months ago

the US was founded on immigrants. it is a country designed to accept outsiders. the idea that it is a white country is rediculous. you have had natives and black people since your founding. and many other ethnicities followed shortly after. you are not a nation with a predefined race. and the rest of the developed world is moving in that direction too.

3 years, 5 months ago

I said that whites are the only ones looked badly at racism when we are the ones stopping racism whites could have kept all the racist ideas but they didn't but are still being called racist I don't really see how their is a racism problem today

3 years, 5 months ago

I am talking about the United States and all of Europe

3 years, 5 months ago

except our countries were not founded on being white countries. they were founded on immigrants.

your argument seems to be that other people are racist so we should be racist. that stops being an acceptable argument when you become an adult.

3 years, 5 months ago

it's sad to see the world today we are letting other races say their better and call them brave if a white person does they are shamed for it we are letting them destroy the white race what happened to the nationalism that made countries great now it's all about letting minorities becoming the majority in white countries

3 years, 5 months ago
PsychDave
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So based on the article you linked and its source, that is 2 extremists out of 1.82 million illegal border crossings last year. All of the attackers that have been identified were EU nationals. Could you explain how you think the refugees are the bigger risk?

Beyond that, you are still comparing apples to oranges. The information you are basing your opinions on is for illegal entry as the refugees migrate out of the conflict zone and into Europe. You are claiming that this shows a risk for legal entry to America. That is exactly like saying that since illegal immigration is a problem you intend to shut down all legal immigration. The two are largely separate issues. You have decided to attack those following the rules because those who don't follow the rules might pose a 1 in 910 000 chance of being dangerous.

3 years, 7 months ago

2 of the guys in the parris attacks.

3 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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How many terrorists were screened and made it through?

3 years, 7 months ago

so every single terrorist is in the books and can be found by the US? then why don't we share it with our alies in Europe?

3 years, 7 months ago

we are all telling you that we don't want the uncontrolled flow of refugees. there have been no cases to my knowledge of screened refugees being terrorists. you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare the refugee system to an uncontrolled influx like Europe is dealing with.

3 years, 7 months ago

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/06/eu-border-agency-admits-terrorists-have-used-migrant-crisis-porous-borders-to-their-advantage.html

2 guys from the Paris attacks used the migrant route to get in. are you ok with this? I'm confused as to why you want terrorists in Europe.

3 years, 7 months ago

5,000 Europe citizens went to fight for ISIS. Obama calls ISIS a Jv squad. hahahaha

3 years, 7 months ago

again. you don't understand the statistic you are using. they are saying that 5000 EU citizens went to fight for ISIS and they only flagged about 2000. that means that there are 3000 ISIS fighters that can come back to the EU at any time because they are citizens. that means they have no need to apply as a refugee. if they can get 3000 fighters into the Europe so easily why would they bother with the refugee system? your stat argues completely against you. the threat from refugees tiny.

3 years, 7 months ago

with Europe admitting terrorists are comming in though immigration and they can only check 3000 of 5000 terrorists, you still don't see how one of 2,000 terrorists can easily go in?

3 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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If Europe was allowing them to cross the border with no security checks or screening, yes I would concede that there is a real danger of terrorists sneaking in that way. As that is not the case, I am not.

What I was alluding to is the "ultimate question" ProudAmerican posed to start the thread about whether America would fight the invasion or surrender to it. I am not changing the topic, I am addressing it.

3 years, 7 months ago

no. he's saying that immigration needs to be controlled so they can be properly screened. allowing a million people to stream into Europe with no checks at all is clearly a poor plan. trying to stop refugees from coming at all is illogical and a terrible plan.

3 years, 7 months ago

so your conceding the immigration into Europe debate, and moving to the immigration into the US debate?

3 years, 7 months ago

Alex, you seem to not understand your own source. Europol is saying that Europeans who went to join ISIS weren't flagged. That means all they have to do is fly home and no one will stop them. That in no way makes refugees a bigger risk.

As to the idea that all you need to do is say you are afraid of ISIS, that is just wrong. You obviously haven't done any research into the screening process.

Finally, yes, it is possible extremists have joined the migrants moving into Europe. That is again irrelevant to refugees coming to America. The migrants crossing into Europe are moving en mass over land. The refugees coming to America are being screened. If you don't see a difference, there is no point debating with you since you can't tell the difference between uncontrolled migration and screened refugees.

3 years, 7 months ago

French authorities revealed that Abdelhamid Abaaoud was able to return from Syria via the migrant route of Greece.
you may have missed that that guy immigrated as a refugee. he also said 90 more sod the same, but I don't trust terrorists.

3 years, 7 months ago

historybuff why don't refugees simply get on a plane and fly to america if it is so easy?

3 years, 7 months ago

In Germany before anymore refugees come in; they must go to a western class. In which they teach them western values

3 years, 7 months ago

they don't have to immigrate to carry out attacks. anyone can get on a plane and fly to America. as long as they aren't a known terrorist no one would stop them. it is way easier to simply fly in. there is absolutely no reason to waste your fighters waiting in a refugee process that could take years when you could fly there tomorrow. or even simpler, have people who are already citizens do it, which is exactly what is happening. refugees are not the ones carrying out the attacks.

3 years, 7 months ago

The Islamic State group has trained at least 400 fighters to target Europe in deadly waves of attacks, deploying interlocking terror cells like the ones that struck Brussels and Paris with orders to choose the time, place and method for maximum carnage, officials have told The Associated Press. the officials, including European and Iraqi intelligence officials are not ISIS as you seem to think they are. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/23/is-trains-400-fighters-to-attack-europe-in-wave-bloodshed.html.
and here is another link if fox isn't good for you.
https://www.rt.com/news/336978-isis-training-external-attacks/



Could you address the fact that these "highly trained operatives" would have to sit idle for months at the least and in most cases more than a year to even have a slight change of coming to the US? That seems a lot less effective that buying a plane ticket and saying "I'm here on vacation". They would have to have put them in place many months ago, and even then there is no guarantee. You have yet to address the fact that this is a stupid way to try to sneak in.

planes have way bigger security for starters. you would need a passport and other documents. these terrorists sit idle because they need to plan the time and place to attack. if there was am easier way to immigrate then the refugees would be doing it.

3 years, 7 months ago

"Sneaking them in through the refugee program isn't easy. It is a very long process with minimally chances of success. Read the whole comment instead of picking the part of a sentence that suits you and you would have seen that. "

you literally have to say "I'm scared if ISIS" and your in.

Europol, the organisation that polices Europe?s external border, yesterday admitted that only 2,000 of the estimated 5,000 extremists who have travelled to Syria and Iraq to wage jihad have been logged on an EU-wide intelligence sharing database used by Britain to disrupt plots.

It means Britain has no way of checking the background of 3,000 suspected terrorists, even if their own country has identified them as a threat.
French authorities revealed that Abdelhamid Abaaoud was able to return from Syria via the migrant route of Greece. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12006892/International-manhunt-underway-after-French-police-let-Paris-attacks-suspect-slip-through-their-fingers.html

3 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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Alex, you picked and chose parts of sentences out of context. That is rather poor debating.

Sneaking them in through the refugee program isn't easy. It is a very long process with minimally chances of success. Read the whole comment instead of picking the part of a sentence that suits you and you would have seen that.

Could you point to an example of a terrorist who has posed as a refugee? You talk about how dangerous these refugees are, but you give no justification for your fear.

Where do you get the idea that ISIS has 400 highly skilled operatives out to kill? Again, you are taking ISIS at their word. That seems like a foolish thing to do since they are the enemy. When in conflict, it seems fairly obvious to lie to your enemies. Which attacks have been carried out by these special forces?

Could you address the fact that these "highly trained operatives" would have to sit idle for months at the least and in most cases more than a year to even have a slight change of coming to the US? That seems a lot less effective that buying a plane ticket and saying "I'm here on vacation". They would have to have put them in place many months ago, and even then there is no guarantee. You have yet to address the fact that this is a stupid way to try to sneak in.

3 years, 7 months ago

I think your under an illusion that bringing unskilled people into a foreign country is good.
.anyway ISIS only started sneaking terrorists as refugees now cause now they have 400 highly trained special forces out commuted to kill. before they were training them, we let them train, and now our alies are paying the price.

3 years, 7 months ago

"almost all of them were home grown."
almost all of them were home grown, we almost destroyed ISIS, we almost killed them, we almost this, almost that. not great thinkers the liberals are. what would have happened if the 1 or 2 terrorist didn't pose as refugees? there would be less dead people. I'm in favor of less dead people. your plans create more deaf people, though I'm not sure who you want dead more, us, or the refugees, I know it's certainly not ISIS.

3 years, 7 months ago

"So ISIS says they will sneak terrorists in with the refugees and you believe them? Can you find a logical reason"

ISIS says "were going to bring in terrorists as refugees" then we see great big terror attacks. strange huh? also why wouldn't ISIS bring in terrorists if there is an easy way to do so"

3 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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So ISIS says they will sneak terrorists in with the refugees and you believe them? Can you find a logical reason, other than to stop the west from helping them, that ISIS would tell us they were planning to use them to get in? If you were planning it, would you announce it to your enemies so that they could stop you?

We have information about those who have carried out attacks and almost all of them were home grown. The Paris attackers were all French citizens. If it was so easy to sneak in with the refugees, why aren't we seeing it happen? What we are seeing, at least with the refugees coming to North America, is people who fled the conflict months, or in many cases years ago. They have lived in camps for all of this time, hoping to be able to find a better place to live. I have brought this up before, but why would ISIS be willing to have able bodied fighters sitting idle for so long? It is easier to sneak terrorists in as tourists or just to bypassing customs altogether than it is to get one through the refugee process. Even if 1 in 100 of the people at the camps were extremists, they are being screened before coming over. While interviews can never be foolproof, if there is any doubt about someone I suspect they are simply passed over on the list. It isn't a first come first serve system. Even if there was a 1 in 100 chance of a terrorist sneaking in with the refugees, that is still less risk than that if homegrown extremists. It is less risk than gang violence. It is an almost negligible risk in the larger picture. The benefits vastly outweigh the risks.

3 years, 7 months ago

you must realize 99% of the refugees are good people.

3 years, 7 months ago

if you take away the hate and racism, and mention only radicals are the bad ones your left with

Europe has been bombed and terror has tacken over. this is a result of ISIS, radical muslems trying to kill for their religion, spreading hate and death. Now how is ISIS getting to Europe? well this an easy question to answer. they told us how: by refugees. ISIS is sneaking death into Europe though these refugees. it's not worth it, and nobody is any safer. will you do the same to america? have bombs waiting to go off at your airport, or local supermarket? or will you show true compassion, and instead of letting them stave in American streets, let them learn to love america in their home country. #Alexforpresident2036

3 years, 7 months ago
PsychDave
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They aren't the ones who are lazy. Many have walked for days to try to escape death. Their religion is not inferior. It is different. They aren't the ones spreading hate. You are. As you scapegoat these people, try to keep in mind how many of the slanders you throw at them could be said of you. You have never experienced what they have.

You ask if America will surrender to them. I ask if America will surrender to hate and intolerance. It was not a positive influence during segregation, it was not positive in Nazi Germany, it was not positive when Stalin rounded up Jews and other "inferior" people and it will not benefit society today. You and those elite you have failed to learn from history and are trying your hardest to repeat it.

3 years, 7 months ago

Europe, a prosperous continent of rich culture, technology, and proud people, decimated to a land of hateful Muslims and victimized white men, women, and children. All of this destruction in the name of "political correctness." Europe thought that they were doing a favor to the "refugees," but they weren't. The fact of the matter is that the rapefugees have crossed the line. They storm the borders of the worn out European countries, begging to be let in. They attack police officers, vandalize other's belongings, and hurt innocent men and women. Globalist elitest such as Angela Merkel try to cover all of this up, forcing the people of Germany to give up their rights, leading to a massive invasion of wild animals known as muslims. These Muslims bring with them laziness, hatred, and danger. They boast about killing and raping white women and polluting the world with the inferior Muslim religion. As our neighbors of Europe are collapsing under their own poor decisions, the same refugees now stand at our door, demanding they be let in. The ultimate question is, will America fight the invasion, or surrender to it? Your decision will determine the health of this prosperous nation. Will you sit back as your wife is raped or your husband killed, your children kidnapped and murdered? Make the choice.

3 years, 7 months ago
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