The debate "Putin possesses natural leadership skills that no American politician today has" was started by
January 24, 2017, 1:36 am.
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thereal posted 14 arguments, ProfessorX posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
PsychDave posted 1 argument, PoliticsAsUsual posted 3 arguments, neveralone posted 3 arguments, historybuff posted 4 arguments to the disagreers part.
thereal, ProfessorX, SharpHost, makson and 9 visitors agree.
PsychDave, neveralone, historybuff, PoliticsAsUsual, XenoBoy, MlgLeprechaun69, nellie11iah and 5 visitors disagree.
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oh thereal. your arguments get increasingly sad as you devolve into a tantrum throwing 5 year old.
Russia invaded Georgia. Russia invaded and stole Crimea from Ukraine. Russia is at the very least arming rebels in Ukraine, and evidence suggests Russian military personnel are actively taking part. they regularly violates the airspace of their neighbors and hold large war games right on their borders.
these are all acts of a bully. but instead of actually acknowledging facts you choose to just try to insult people and end up looking stupid and childish.
historybuff, it is not your fault you were born with an extra chromosome. All you did was be the typical retard of a liberal and claim that russia was a bully, whereas i provided clear evidence that russia doesnt interfere in other countrys politics. you were just too retarded to understand it. it was you who claimed that russia was a bully and thereforr it is you who has to provide evidence for it (which you have not). i do not have to provide evidence that theyre not a bully, even though i have because i know youre too stupid to realise it yourself. your low intellect is astonishing.
lot of mudsling happening. thereal can u do a debate where u don't cuss and make an agruement instead of insults. I read through this debate and all I have found from u r opinions. also liberals are not stupid. we have been over that. all these things weaken ur argument.
1st of all I have never in my life said that America is not a bully. you must be completely illiterate if that is what you think I wrote.
2nd you have offered no evidence that Russia is not a bully. all you did was go on a huge tangent about how bad America is. I know Republicans love trying to distract from the issues by pointing the finger elsewhere, but that isn't going to work here. I provided evidence that they are a bully. refute that or concede they are bullies.
3rd the trump election proved it doesn't matter how many times someone lies, insults, bullies, insults and slanders that stupid people will vote for them out of fear and ignorance.
Bringing it back on topic, Putin is a natural leader. its a fact. He is a true man. if Putin ever got kidnapped, they wouldnt be able to pull shit out of him whereas with an american president, simply the threat of cutting off a finger would cause them to give away nuclear codes and everything else.
also the trump election has proved how misguiding, lying and treacherous the media can be so the govt has every reason to control it to prevent lies from getting spread. stability is more important in such a situation.
noome outside of russia can believe "the crap i am spewing"? ahh, typical stupid liberal, always thinking theyre right when really they are the epitome of imbecilia. Ive given evidence which shows that america is a bully but russia is not and all you can do is "russia is a bully" just because. you truely are a cancer in society. your parents must be ashamed of you. this is the case with all liberals,tgeyre born retarded so they can only argue with emotion, not with facts.
that was one giant wall of stupid. leaders do not control the media in a free society. that's what dictators do. the media's job is being information to light. some of that information is not going to be in the best interest of the ruling regime. and society where the media is controlled by the government is not a free society.
I never said America wasn't a bully to other countries. I have on numerous occasions said that America is exactly that. but the fact that America is a bully doesn't change the fact that Russia is too.
I never said anything about anyone being morally right, do why did you use quotes. do you know what quotes mean?
I'm starting to wonder if you are actually just a Russian propagandist. because no one outside of Russia can possibly believe the crap you are spewing.
also the true leader is the people. the president is like a CEO. he runs the company, but he answers to the share holders. the citizens.
as you said, Putin is the true leader, and can bend media, information, and education to solidify his will and vision.
we agree then. He is an autocrat.
no thank you. and no he would not function well in American politics. although trump proves I may be wrong.
dead hillary Clinton opponents? like who?
Historybuff, his "political opponents" get charged with corruption as well as a variety of other CRIMES. Oh and im guessing your dumb liberal a** has no problem with all of Hillary Clinton's opponents who have mysteriously ended up dead that the media never reports on. No, of course you have no problems with that. The national leaders job is to LEAD (shocking right?) and maintain stability in his country. If the president must do that via control of the media, then so be it. But of course your ignorant liberal self is going to ignore how much control lobbyists and the like have over politicians in the US but that doesnt matter because its the US not Russia. The double standards are horrendous. Your third paragraph was full garbage so im not even going to bother responding to it because it is an excellent sample of your inexperience in a position of leadership and weak knowledge of the matter at hand.Russia doesnt bully smaller countries at all and you are delusional for thinking so. The reason these smaller countries are part of NATO is because Russia is weaker than USA militarily so of course theyd rather be allied with them than be invaded by them. Its a political move, nothing to do with who they think is "morally right" lmfao. Are you really that naive? Are you really that oblivious to the number of countries america has invaded and installed dictators in compared to Russia, you clown? Every f***ing country knows america is vastly superior militarily to any other country and UN violations dont matter if its america that did them. America spends 10 times as much as Russia on military and then you wonder why Russia is defensive? Is it Russia who moves ICBMs to american borders or is it America? Its America. Is it america who has over a 100 bases over the world or is it russia? Its america. Is it america who fabricates allegations of a nation having WMDs and then invades them illegally or is it Russia? Its America. And then you have th audacity to say russia regularly invades airspace and plays wargames? Also what year are you living in? Crimea has been legally handed to Russia so no, its not stolen. The people there even identify as and speak russian. Also are you seriously implying that america has never armed rebels against governments? Please get your small brain out of your shit crack and open your eyes.
so somone can't pay u off or if that fails put a gun to ur head. I would say both give him power
so the fact that his political opponents consistently get charged with major crimes with little evidence, or are just mysteriously murdered isn't an issue for you?
if you seriously think a national leader's job is to control what the media is allowed to say, o don't think you understand what freedom of speech or independence of the press means.
a democracy can not really exist in an environment like Russia. everything they see and hear in the media says how great Putin is. what a wonderful leader he is for anything he does and never mentioning anything bad, ever. why would anyone think badly of him if all you hear is that how great he is? yes he is popular, but that has more to do with total control than his actual leadership qualities.
of course he bullies smaller countries. why do you think that all of Eastern Europe wants into NATO. it's not because of how inspiring a leader Putin is. he invaded Georgia. he stole Crimea from Ukraine and is currently arming rebels there. the Russian airforce regularly violates other countries airspace. they regularly run large war games right on the borders of other countries. these are the actions of a bully.
this is the president of a nation of 150 million we are talking about. "guns and money" doent magically grant superpowers especially when the citizens themelves have guns. lol weak liberal beta males criticising an alpha male always makes me laugh.
neveralone, even a 10 year old knows that different situations require different qualities for a person to be considered powerful and no, moneh and quns doesnt equal power and its very naive of you to think so amd frankly stupid.
hmm money and guns doesn't equal power? though I salute u for ur ability to sniff through a screen
let alone the fact that he has an 83% approval rating.
Also being a dictator is not that bad when the dictator is tremendously more knowledgable and intelligent than the people. A lot of the time, voting impedes on progress. Also you have to be a complete moron to call Putin a schemer. he is intelligent, yes, but also honest. a natural leader.
Politicsasusual, its easy to be strong when you have all control? thats easy to day when youve been a beta male (female?) all your life. youve clearly never been put in a position of power and let me tell you,its not "easy". Strength is not a by-product of control, control is a by-product of strength and that is the case with Putin. If a weaker leader had been in his position, they wouldnt be in as much control, ratger their weakness would lead them to being kicked out of power.
Neveralone, putin only wants power? well you obviously know nothing about how Putin improved the Russian military and economy whilst hes been in power. you also reek of ignorance and propaganda.
PsychDave Putin is not a dictator in any way. He may be more authoritarian than AMERICA but that does not make him a dictator. Those who accuse him of being a dictator simply do so out of ignorance and because American culture has been brainwashing them for the past 60 years to be politically opposed to Russia. Do you know even Roosevelt was called a dictator by those who disliked him, but does that make it true? No. Of course Putin would control the media,thats his job as president. Who the f*** else is meant to control it, the local garbagemen? Even in America the Com in Chief is the president. Does that make the US president a dictator too? Also Russia doesnt bully smaller countries around it, are you mad? America has caused 10 times as many conflicts as Russia . I bet you were too lazy to even look it up and find out that Russia only has 9 foreign based that are in former soviet republics whereas America has 129 all over the world. 129! Vs 9! America has over 14 times as many bases so you tell me who is the one that is seeking global control? Hah "Russia bullies smaller nations", you stink of ignorance and propaganda.
it's easy to be strong when you have total control. he is definitely an excellent schemer, however in an open society where many of his tricks would not work, he would not be that effective. I'm thinking something like Chris Christie who tried to be smart, and has often controlled the crowd and the media extremely effectively, has collapsed after trying a move that was a bit too big.
Putin would not survive in the US. not as is at least.
Putin has strength, there is no denying that. but he uses it to to bully and control. his control of the media and systematic attacks on any political rivals has made him pretty well all powerful in Russia.
no i wouldn't. Putin is a dictator. he wants power and nothing else. that is not somone I want.
He is a dictator in all but name. A charismatic dictator, but a dictator nonetheless.
He controls the media, so people only hear good things about him and bad about his opponents. He controls the police, so protestors and dissidents are arrested. He controls the military, so he bullies smaller nations around him.
While I don't doubt some Republicans wish he led their party, many would oppose his violations of the Constitution.
The trend ive noticed is that specifically with Republicans, they tend to be very spiteful but internally jealous of Putin because if he was American instead and was the leader of the Republican Party, they would actually support him and respect him especially on his political views and leadership qualities.