The debate "Questions for Christians" was started by
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1) How does the fossil record disprove the flood?
2) Why was 2 not a viable option? The could've been bred similar to the way different breeds of dogs came from wolves.
3) There is a description of a global flood in hundreds of cultures around the world, and evidence of a global flood is left behind
fake evidence? there is a difference between fake evidence and cleaning up after urself. if that is how it went. honestly who knows?
But why create fake evidence? I have trouble with the idea that God gave us intelligence, them expects us to ignore it. Wouldn't ignoring a gift God gave us be insulting?
couaald be. God wants faith not knowledge. he also tests our faith all the time. every time I rely on Him I've gotten through stronger. a
If God made a flood, why is there no evidence of it happening? Is he hiding it?
can u explain? I'm not sure what ur asking.
If you made an apocalyptic flood cover the world, why pretend it never happened?
interesting. so by that definition yeah it's a miracle.
We have looked at samples that are billions of years old. We can fairly accurately look millions of years into the past. For the story of Noah to be true, it would have to have happened thousands of years ago, which would leave visible devastator on every continent. We don't see that.
It would also have wiped out all people in Australia and America. Since there were natives there when these continents were "discovered" that again shows that no world ending flood took place.
Oxford defines a miracle as:
a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.
If we can't explain it by natural laws, and so ascribe it to God, it would be a miracle.
how deep have we looked? have people looked? sometimes people quit when there just a step away from victory
would it technically be called a miracle if God is real and it did happen?
While there could be sediment of different kinds in different places, it would all happen at the same time. If a flood covered the earth, there should be evidence in America, Australia, Europe and Africa from the same event. That is not what we find.
The simplest answer isn't always right, but the most logical generally is. There is no reason to assume a miracle happened if we can account for events using known processes.
Do you believe the story of Noah's flood is literal and that water covered the whole earth?
if it was all over the world wouldn't there be sediment of all kinds? then do we know when I was alive?
2) true but the simplest answer isn't always the right one.
it's not. it seems u have questions which I will gladly try to answer to the best of my ability
There is geological records of floods throughout history, but none of a global flood. If God sent a flood that covered the earth during humanities time, there would be evidence of it. For starters, there would have been a massive die off. Second, there would be sediment from the flood found around the world from the same period. If the story of the flood was exaggerated from a local flood, it means there is doubt about the honesty of every story the Bible contains. If one story can be false, there is no longer a guarantee of infallibility.
2) It would be theoretically possible for an omnipotent being to alter genetics and allow a pair of individuals to spawn an entire species, but there are simpler explanations that don't depend on such miracles. I use Occam's razor when this kind disagreement happens. That is why I trust scientific explanations over religious.
I am trying not to come across as attacking your faith. I don't mean to, so if I seem to be, let me know and I will tone it down a bit.
so a bunch of humans evolved from such? another words more than a few?
An illustration here:
Shows before that timeline, including branching from common ancestors with reptiles and such.
I think we evolved, as evidenced by genetic and fossil records. A very good overview cam be found here.
sorry it sent without me finishing it. I would say he took care of the inbreeding problem till we were a big enough population that we didn't need to anymore. just out of curiosity how do u think we started.
4) we are perfect. but we also change. I think we are like a changing picture. or a flowing one. we have slight changes u call evolution.
1)mosre like we don't know how long exactly.
2) well with God I would say
1)So you are claiming that all evidence is wrong about the lack of a world ending flood because... God said so? As I am not starting from a belief that God exists, can you see why I struggle with that proof?
2) & 3)So incest is acceptable? If Adam and Eve had many kids, that works for 1 generation. Their kids would have to pair off with their siblings and have more kids. I find that disgusting. Beyond that, 2 individuals is not a large enough population to prevent problems with inbreeding. Again, since I am not starting with the assumption God is real, I cannot accept unexplainable miracles in place of logical explanations.
4) not sure what you mean by flowing painting. Could you explain further please?
2) if I recall they had plenty of children who had plenty of children. and if God willed it do u think anything can stop it?
3)same with animals
4) simple flowing paintings.
1) this part came from Moses. it was definitely huge and probably took out a lot of life. or the evidence is deeper than we think.
1) now we obviously had no humans there to time God. so do u think God's time is the same as ours?
2) dream, through talk, and sometimes through visit. whatever could possibly help.
3) could u explain what u mean?
4) again multiple outcomes. He wants u to know him. he loves u. do he will continue to try.
I will add to the evidence against the Bible.
- no historical record of a world ending flood
-2 animals is not a viable population
Adam and Eve
- 2 is not a viable start to a population
- evolutionary record (fossils)
1) The Bible states that the world was created in six days, but we have seemingly found evidence that suggests the Earth, and life, took millions of years to form.
2) Should someone be expected to know, understand and follow Christian beliefs, just through a dream or something?
3) How do you know that these aren't just:
a| people seeking attention?
b| people who are insane, have schizophrenia, suffer from hallucinations etc?
4) Still, an omniscient being would be able to know all possible outcomes, why test it?
1) such evidence as?
2) watch holy ghost reborn. it shows a identical situation in real life but to keep this going. do u think that God would abandon any of his children without giving them choice? if no one is possibly around God will find a way to make his presence known.
3) where arnt they? u can go online and find ton of witches. demons are seen all the time as well but this is when u have to sort through fact and fiction.
4) one answer is I would say the multiverse theory is correct. and that in a diff. universe u say yes when u say no in this one. another could be hope. if u have a rebellious child u know they will disagree with u but do u ever give up hope they will turn back to u?
Seeing as I've recently decided I don't really believe in God anymore, I was curious to see how Christians responded to certain questions. No disrespect intended.
1) Why would God create a world with so much 'evidence' against his Holy text, the Bible?
2) What if someone who had been kept isolated their entire life died? Should they suffer in Hell forever just because nobody has told them about Jesus?
3) The Bible mentions people possessed by demons, and witches and sorcerers. Where are these today?
4) If God is omniscient, and would already know the result, why would he test our faith?