The debate "R we USA really helping Israel by giving then weapons instead of telling them enough" was started by
December 1, 2016, 11:35 pm.
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neveralone posted 3 arguments, PoliticsAsUsual posted 5 arguments to the agreers part.
neveralone, PoliticsAsUsual, Yanksxx21, human and 3 visitors agree.
allyssa and 4 visitors disagree.
Israel was winning for a long time, and continued to extend olive branches, yes, the right wing, clearly anti Palestinian party won control after decades of tries at peace isn't particularly friendly, but at some point people give up. they learned from the lessons shown to them.
I think the impetus is really on the Palestinians to not act anymore and stop the violence. continue the peaceful protest, continue the UN legal actions, but as long as they continue the attacks, I can lament their situation, but cannot disagree with the consequences. especially considering the popular support.
my example was extreme to highlight my point. the Palestinians aren't innocent in this. both sides have blood on their hands. but it is the Israelis that are continuing to settle land that isn't theirs. they don't take any peace attempts seriously because for the moment they are winning.
that is true, but your not citing the beginning of the conflict. Israel even pulled out of Gaza completely and that didn't end well.
the blockade is horrible, but can the leaders of israel allow themselves to allow a guerilla organization like hamas loose into their deserts?
you also have to understand the mindset of people who grew up in constant war in which they did not always have the upper hand. I'm not saying they're completely right, I'm saying the Palestinians are not simply victims.
if I kick you and stand on your neck you would probably flail trying to get free. every time you try to get me off I kick you again and tell all the people watching "look he's attacking me, I'm just defending myself." am I justified?
I don't believe Israel is reminiscent of anything. unlike many of the other deals we did we bad people, Israel actually does have a reason for most of its actions... actually all of its actions except the settlement building. it is under constant threat of attack and only uses violence in retaliation AFTER an attack.
certainly we could take a harder stance, however how can we take a harder stance when many of their actions are not wholly illegitimate.
compromise is key.
the situation with Israel is reminiscent of many other deals they have made. they provide weapons and money and assume that gives them influence. and to a degree it does. but ultimately America has made a big issue of protecting Israel, it's not something they can abandon.
Israel knows they can do whatever they want and no one can really stop them. that's why they torpedo any attempts at peace. they don't feel like they should give up anything, the current stale mate suits them just fine. until America stops turning s blind eye to their actions peace won't be possible.
everyone already agrees we should put a peace in place, the problem is what kind of peace and how to actually put it in place.
yeah. also I think we should try to get some kind of peace in place. on a side note for those reading America has a lot of pull in Israel because we helped them a bunch of times so this is why were talking about it like we could do something
they are not misusing, but they are ungrateful.
we should continue giving them defense assistance as they are surrounded by hostilee, but we should also place restrictions, such as the building of settlements in occupied land.
israelis are misusing american help.
ok I believe we should help Israel because there God's people but r we really helping them when every time we give them guns they attack their neighbors for attacking them for attacking them ect.?