The debate "Racism feeds off extremist minorities" was started by
March 16, 2017, 10:10 am.
8 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 2 people are on the disagree side.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
M3phisto posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 8 arguments to the disagreers part.
M3phisto, thereal, Jericho, SirIntegra and 4 visitors agree.
Nemiroff and 1 visitor disagree.
the left cites trump because he is the president, elected by nearly half the population. what he says is representative.
who are these extremists you are citing? are they the movements leadership?
are they even a majority?
or just a few particularly loud and stupid individuals whose pictures are simply viral in certain political circles?
I completely get what you are trying to say, but this "Hateful speeches, incite to violence, appeal to feelings rather than rational approach." is where I disagree.
where do you see inciting of violence from the minority activism groups? almost all protests are peaceful. I'm not sure if I said this to you or to another, but please, make a list of protests that turned violent and I'll list 10x as many with 100x the protestors by the same group that went peaceful and still have left overs to choose from.
"But my father managed to make it trough the system. So it is not impossible...Firdt they begin small but if there's enough rain (people supporting them)"
and what support are they getting? not all of these groups are migrants, and not all of them are small. are we giving them the support we should be giving them? is the situation not only for migrants, but low wage citizens as well the same as it used to be? as we drop on the world scale of social mobility?
Here the main problem is that this ''escalation of hatred'' between racists and extremists create problems for people who are not at extremes but in the middle. The rational and critical thinking people suffer. Example: trump puts all muslim on the same bucket and those who have peaceful ways, suffer from it. On the other side, extremists put every american on the same bucket and consider all americans racist pricks. The rational american can suffer from this.
There is this sort of collateral damage in this escalation that has to be stopped... but how?
Well, some racial extremist minorities use their freedom of speech in a wrong way. Hateful speeches, incite to violence, appeal to feelings rather than rational approach. Also, their actions are questionable.
What i'm pointing out is that racism is dangerously growing today. Why is it growing? Because more and more extremist parties form, (not only for black or mexican defense but also muslim). These parties have doubtful policies and nourishes racism even more and in return, racism continues to grow which is also hatred towards groups of people that are not specially extremists. Racism is putting everyone in the same bucket.
The true solution would be a de-escalation of both.. but how to do that in the US for instance? Trump got the power partially due to his racist influences and appeal to feelings. This shows that your country is really suffering from it. I think this society should really take a look over that and adapt its policy.
And for the wealthy, well yes, i do encourage them but understand me. I'm comming from a poor family, i'm roumanian. But my father managed to make it trough the system. So it is not impossible. Every man has his chance, he just needs some strength of caracter and motivation, ideas. And minorities have their right of speech ofcourse, a democracy is the defense of the minorities, and i'm not against it. Minorities can allow positive changes, minorities are like plants trying to grow in a tropical forest. Firdt they begin small but if there's enough rain (people supporting them) they can grow and influence society. Suppressing minorities would lead to a forever domination of the leading powers: the exact opposite of a democracy.
I'm only speaking about extremist minorities here ;)
Whilst I strongly disagree with the complaints that the "oppressed racial minorities" make, I don't think that they shouldn't be able to state their opinions. Freedom of speech and stuff.
I know this wasn't the racial inequalities approach I promised, I do still have that, but this approach of "who has a right to petition" inequality is a new argument I've been working on and wanted to test out.
definitely not humor, but perhaps more than a bit of sarcasm. I do look forward to enjoying a good debate. I will be offline later so I'm just going to start making my case here.
I'm going to assume, based on general right wing policy, and correct me if I'm wrong, you are against regulating big money donations and support the right of the wealthy to petition and support current and prospective represetatives.
do you feel that the very wealthy and big industries are somehow disenfranchised in this nation where they are the only winners of our economy (and winning big)?
if those at the very top of the privileged chain are allowed to continue to push their interests. and not only does your (presumed) party not shame them, but enables them to use their greatest resources (money) in a way that not only drowns out, but completely silences we the people. how can you justify shaming minorities in the same boat as the rest of us for speaking in their interest while supporting the very wealthy's right to make their situation even better than it is now?
What rights are the racial minorities fighting for?
Well, Mea Culpa, you have a good memory, i've been on here some moths ago. I like that better :) I came back because i like debating, it helps us progress personally.
I guess you just began with a lil humor and i thougt you were trolling :p I'll answer that once i get some time to write.
and please, I'm hoping you don't believe everyone who disagree with you surely be a troll.
I know tensions are high between the right and left so I'll go ahead and try to reset the tone which you blew out of proportion.
the reason I asked those questions was not to troll but to challenge an underlying assumption that you simply assumed to be true. that the minorities are already equal and the extremists are out of line.
if the minorities are equal, well the minorities have a freedom of speech regardless, and you are free to disagree or peacefully state otherwise.
if you are wrong then they are not extremists at all but activists justifiably fighting for their rights.
you are not new. you were never a frequent poster but I've seen you here for a while... so right off the back you are lying.
if you see no actual arguments in my post you should check your reading ability. here's a hint, I typically respond in a similar tone to the ones used in response to me.
I'm new here but you must be that two account troller, Nemiroff and Thereal. Shut up if you're not speaking up your mind, but just trolling. You're abusing your 'freedom of speech' kiddo.
how dare those minorities speak up for their rights....?
if they would only be happy with their lower status we will all be happier right?