Rape doesn't justify abortion

June 9, 2019, 3:35 pm

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The debate "Rape doesn't justify abortion" was started by Potatochiper on June 9, 2019, 3:35 pm. 44 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 44 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. There is a tie in this debate, post your arguments, call some reinforcements and break this tie.

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JDAWG9693
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This thread isn't about abortion in general, it's about rape justifying abortion

5 months, 3 weeks ago
boispendaddy
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Remember, you are always free to make choices but you are never free from the consequence of that choice. Most mothers (statistically proven) made the choice to participate in sexual actions in bed knowing what could result. A life should never be compromised to make up for ignorance.

5 months, 3 weeks ago

I can understand why you would say this but at the same time the woman reallu didn't get a choice. It seems to me that it would wrong to have to raise a child you didn't agree to have. Besides I feel that an abortion shouldn't happen after the baby has a heartbeat because by then it would be just like murdering an innocent person for just existing.

6 months ago
JDAWG9693
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Abstinence, contraception, adoption, or motherhood are the choices I give people. If you've already gotten pregnant, you missed the first two (which I don't think is bad or anything). But, now you can either keep it or put it up for adoption. I do NOT condone murder.

6 months ago
maksonmakson
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what about the father? it's also his baby

6 months ago

Abortion is always justified. I mean I'd rather it happening less than more, but no one but the woman who were to carry the child for nine months, to then go through a lot of pain to birth the baby, to then take care of it for the rest of theire life should be able to make the choice if they want to keep the baby.

6 months ago

Rape doesn't justify abortion? I'd argue an abortion is justified outside a rape.

6 months ago

its the females choice

6 months ago
Nemiroff
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I don't think taxes are a bad thing so long as they are reasonable.

our orphanage system is grossly underfunded now. I cant imagine its state post abortion with a flood of new unwanted children.

6 months ago
Potatochiper
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Would you be fine with increasing taxes for it?

6 months ago
Nemiroff
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most human cells have 2 copies of every gene. a sperm / egg has only 1 copy of every gene, but it still has a complete genome. just no back up duplicates.

I agree that potential sentience is valuable, my concern with abortion is actually very different. in my opinion, the defining aspect of personhood is the brain, and it develops quite early (8-10 weeks).

what I'm concerned with abortion are the social aspects. underfunded orphanages, lack of assistance to young mothers after birth, and how to address the inevitable growth of illegal, often deadly, abortions.

6 months ago
Potatochiper
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I disagree its not human life based on what I've read...if you have anything you've read that says sperm is human life I'd love to read it myself.

And agree potential sentience is not as valuable as life that already is but I think its fair to say its valuable enough to not just end the life ...unless it would be the mother in danger A.K.A the life that's already sentient

6 months ago
Nemiroff
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a sperm is human life as well. it simply has only 1 copy of each gene, the genes however are code for a human.

I think there is value in potential, but it is not equal to actual.

6 months ago
Potatochiper
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sperm is life yes but a fertilized egg is human life...not all life is sacred only life that has the potential to become sentient or life that is sentient

6 months ago
Nemiroff
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a sperm and an egg seperate also meet the biological definition of life, life doesnt start, it is continuous. a tumor also has it's own unique DNA. that is why I use the term "person" or "individual" instead of "human". I dont think a ball of cells is a person even if it is human.

6 months ago
Potatochiper
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Exactly but I'd say the only justified exceptions would be incest, if the mother or baby is in danger when the mother needs to give birth or if the mother is only a child.

I'd go as far to say killing a fertilized egg is wrong because at that point it already has its own unique DNA and meets the biological definition of life.

6 months ago

that would be punishing the fetus for the crimes of the father. my position on abortion is complicated, but if one does believe the fetus is a person and killing it is wrong, the crimes of the father are irrelevant.

6 months, 1 week ago
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