The debate "Rape victims are partly to blame" was started by
April 24, 2015, 12:50 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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Dude why say no when you get pleased?
What blame? They are lucky getting laid, if its not a person with STI. I dont blame pervs or sluts.
Teaching kids about date rape could prevent them from being drugged. Teaching kids that they have the right to say no could help them know that, no matter what someone says, they have the right to say no. There are coasters that you can use that have spots that, when you put a drop of a drink on it, changes color to indicate whether the drink has been drugged. These are things that should be covered in sex Ed.
Psychdave, I agree with you on your first part. but on the second part, how is teaching kids how sex works going to protect them from rapists? If you want your child to be able to protect themselves from rapist, then sign them up for Krav or Karate. That is a self defense class, and that way both women and men alike can protect themselves from people who want to hurt them. Teaching kids how sex works does not protect anybody.
When I say they should be able to, I don't mean it in a rose tinted, optimistic manner. I mean that it is a basic human right. You should not have to worry that someone will attack you without provocation. Saying that what you wear or whether you have been drinking puts you at fault for being attacked is absurd. Yes there are precautions that can be taken, but whether they are taken or not, the victim is not at fault.
Beyond that, with the people feeling that we should not be teaching sex Ed in school, where would young women learn how to protect themselves?
You're absolutely right. Women (and very rarely, men as well) should be able to drink without worrying. They should not have to worry about rape, period. But should isn't reality, as I have said. Personally, if it were me in that party situation (and yes, I do know a guy who this happened to) I wouldn't wake up the next morning surprised, as if I had no idea that could have happened. I'd have blamed the person, but I would also correctly dubbed myself at fault for making a dumb decision. I am not saying victims are always partially to blame, only an infantecently small amount of them. But I fail to understand how principle overrules reality. I suppose not everyone is a cynic.
I see where you are coming from. It is like looking both ways before you cross the road. Drivers are supposed to watch for pedestrians and not hit them, but pedestrians have the responsibility to use caution as well. That is valid, but why should the responsibility lie with women not to do something that men do? A woman should be able to drink without fear of being drugged. She should be able to walk down the street without being afraid of being attacked. Rape is not an accident that women should have to take precautions against. It is a targeted attack. Precautions help, but the blame lies entirely with the attacker.
Also I don't think the store example reflects my view, because the store owner takes necessary precautions, such as security systems and a police force which can catch the theif. Further than that, I could not blame the store in this case, and neither the victim if we are to use this analogy
@Dave I see what you are saying. I do not know if I was clear on my last post, but let me just restate that rape is always the perpetrator's fault. Always.
I am not saying to live life in fear of rape, but rather to understand that a certain decision could potentially lead to it. Rape is going to happen, it's a sad reality of life. But if you don't want it to happen to you, why roll the dice?
For example, you are at a party, and you decide you will get hammered drunk, but before you do that, you understand that someone could probably take advantage of you in that state. But you decide that it probably won't happen, so you go ahead and do it anyways. But it does happen. Is the victim to blame? Well, they knew there was a chance of it, they rolled the dice when perhaps they shouldn't have. As I said, we shouldn't live life in fear of it, always wondering how it may happen. But in situations with a real possibility of it happening, why gamble? This is not to remove any blame from the perpetrator.
My phone autocorrected slut to slot. The comment is still understandable, but I wanted to clear that up.
So people who are murdered shouldn't have been carrying a wallet and walking down the street? Victims of racial profiling should have never left their homes? Saying the girl is to blame because she wore something revealing is saying that when you see a girl wearing something revealing, you can't control yourself and just have to rape her. Furthermore, women who were not "dressed like a slot" get raped too.
By claiming the woman is at fault, even partially, for being the victim of an attack is to remove the guilt from the rapist. Every time you go into a store, you choose not to rob it, even though there is money right there. By your logic, you should be able to blame the store for being robbed because the money in the cash drawer was just asking to be stolen. The criminal committed a crime, the victim did not.
I understand that rape is terrible and the perpetrator is always at fault. Undeniably. However, it needs to be taken more realistically. Think about the world we live in. Is everyone kind? Is everyone trustworthy? No! Will that ever change? No! Will rape ever stop? Sadly, no! Therfore, while rape is awful, a girl shouldn't just show up at a party dressed like a slut and just assume nothing will happen, or that anything that does isn't her fault. It's on everyone to think more realistically and take precaution.
I agree with this statement, in some cases. Please counter if you will
alright, everyone who agreed present some sort of valid argument
To be fair, she did vote disagree to the topic.
You can never blame the victim unless the person consented, otherwise rape is still rape.
no one chooses to be violated.. unless with consent but that wouldn't be rape anymore.:-(
elabaorate as to how they are