Rebuking islam and muhammad is not racism

April 12, 2016, 12:13 pm

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The debate "Rebuking islam and muhammad is not racism" was started by fadi on April 12, 2016, 12:13 pm. 17 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 6 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

fadi posted 16 arguments, PsychDave posted 3 arguments, blanco posted 5 arguments to the agreers part.
fadi posted 20 arguments, blanco posted 12 arguments to the disagreers part.

ProudAmerican888, Thomas_Jefferson, PsychDave, SocialistForrest, jamesbond007, blanco, fadi, Jason9374, bearjew1984, oscar90000, Dev, Zuhayr, RedWolf and 4 visitors agree.
Doormatt, MitchellKags, codyray16 and 3 visitors disagree.

fadi
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well alright right or left what difference does it make thank you for the debate

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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it's the left foot not the right, and I don't "try" to urinate while sitting, I urinate while sitting and I wash my privates too, instead letting it smell like urine and having urine stains on my drawers and being neggis, and camel urine has some health benefits its scientifically proven, so what are you saying? I answered the questions as much I am capable of, if I lost the debate then I can easily accept it, I'm not ignorant alhamdullah, I'm not perfect. fadi! you can't accept the fact that everything you mentioned doesn't prove anything, even if it was true. Somethings you said is true I'm not denying that.

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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never pee while standing it is haram and try to drink camel's urine for your prophet says it is good for health lol

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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and never forget to enter the bath with the right foot

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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try to sit while urinating mohammad follower

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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Ooh snap! my nigga got jokes, aight fadi!

I bet when you went to get baptized the pastor try to drown you saying damn this demon, damn you to hell with your stink breathe!

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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thank you for proving my point of view

3 years, 3 months ago

you don't accept that you have lost the debate you did only one thing today saying that this is wrong and then admitting that it does exist in islam

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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first off did not debunk anything, and secondly, what!?

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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i know more than you about islam i love muslims but i hate islam

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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no muslims in my country might kill you for rebuking their religion

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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"why are you angry the problem with you muslims is that you don't like someone rebuking your religion" and this statement as well shows that you are ignorant, by showing that you're racist , by generalizing all Muslims

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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I'm not angry, I'm just frustrated and confused in how people hate Islam and they know nothing about it, and in other hand it's amusing to see how ignorant someone can be.

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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why are you angry the problem with you muslims is that you don't like someone rebuking your religion

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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what if he did not help her

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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she has her brother, this statement is proof of your ignorance.

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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no iam not ignorant tell me what other answer do you have other than that what if the woman had nobody to help her would she get as much as her brother the answer is no so islam is sexist

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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That's how people who are ignorant will describe it, yes

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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1/2 of her brother's inheritance
1/2 man = woman is the right way to describe it

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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one-half of her brother's inheritance.

In Islam a woman has no financial obligation and the economical responsibility lies on the shoulders of the man. Before a woman is married it is the duty of the father or brother to look after the lodging, boarding, clothing and other financial requirements of the woman. After she is married it is the duty of the husband or the son. Islam holds the man financially responsible for fulfilling the needs of his family. - See more at: http://www.therevival.co.uk/article/under-islamic-law-why-womans-share-inherited-wealth-only-half-man#sthash.vMMnRTnL.dpuf

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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if you had a sister how would you divide your father's wealth between you and your sister according to the islamic sharia law

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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well it is not my fault but your prophet says that during menstruation a woman is =1/2 man

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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fadi, stop being ignorant, its not a good character. I answered your question, two women don't equal one man, where is the logic in that.

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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you can't answer my questions because iam saying the truth

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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no then tell me why on earth do 2 women =one man

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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fadi, you taking one thing from a different discussion entirely out of context, and another from a different discussion entirely out of context, your argument is weak and sloppy and never in the same topic, just so.you can make a point that makes no sense.

3 years, 3 months ago

then why does a woman take less of her parent's estates?

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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then if so only during the menstrual cycle 2 women = 1 man in other days their brains will grow bigger and will be able to judge right ?

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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fadi you keep lying, and misinterpreting the hadith, it clearly states when a woman is on her period her emotions cloudes her judgement, because of the period cycle she cant pray or fast, hence missing religion and mind

3 years, 3 months ago

http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=7520

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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why would a woman forget and not a man because the hadith says that the woman has a smaller mind and and is less religious almaraa naqisa aql o din

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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What is meant by witness or testimony as something by which the thing testified may be proven and known to be true and correct, so it is information about it. With regard to the witness of two women being equal to the testimony of one man. Allah as mentioned the wisdom behind specifying the number of tools as being that way woman may forget or get confused so the other woman can remind her as he said:

"...And get to witness this out of your men.and if there are not too many (available), then a man and two women, just as you agree for Witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her..." al baqarah 2:282

3 years, 3 months ago

in islam this is the equation
two women winesses = 1 man (witness)

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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no answer the question is the witness of a man equal to that of a woman ?

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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well because i live between your muslim people that is how i know

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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And vice versa, men are slaves to their women.

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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Really? fadi! Lol, how do you know?

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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women in islam are slaves of their men

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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a nun does it based on her will a muslim woman's husband or father or mother force her to wear hijab

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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soso, I agree "misinterpreted" if the verses are taken out of context, but I don't agree with that any religion should be criticized, but definitely should be questioned, including Islam. And Islam came to liberate women from being enslaved to man's desires, to being slaves to the one who created them, women who suggested that they should be covered. When a Muslim women is covered its called oppression, when a nun is its not oppression.

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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well then tell me about alshhood ?or the witnesses is the witness of a woman equal to a man ?the answer is no

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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she is not obliged to protect herself from gaze it is men's fault not women's

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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what I said no such thing, I said she protect her self from gaze

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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that's your opinion fadi, just because you said it in Arabic doesn't mean it's apart of Islamic belief

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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so you say that it is the woman's fault if a man lusts her and not the man's sin you are sexist

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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lier almaraa nisfoo alrajool that is a woman is half a man

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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ok the do you believe in sahih albukhari these things are written in his book as well

3 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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I am not. This is my only account.

3 years, 3 months ago

That is your and the interpretation of the majority of the Islamic faith. However, you can't deny that there are passages in the Koran which can be "misinterpreted" to justify violence.... You also can't deny that the Koran and other Islamic texts are used to justify the subjugation and mistreatment of women (by American standards).....do I really have to find the quotes that will support this position? (I will if you really want to push the issue)

The martyrdom sections of the Koran can also be misused to commit atrocities and have....you can't just absolve Islam of the vile parts of the religious texts, Christians can't either. It's part of the religion, but as I said, it must be discussed in the context of the actions it produces. So if Islam never produced another suicide bomber motivated by martyrdom, then it wouldn't be an issue. However, as long as it does, it remains a fair criticism of the religion. Just like Christians and their texts, or Jewish people and their texts.....

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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Islam explains that suicide is forbidden and its an act of disbelief, Islam teaches that killing an innocent is ( haram) forbidden ether way your not considered a martyrdom. Islam teaches that we are all equal in worship, but different in other ways, for example Islam teaches us that a woman's honor is more then a man's, that a Muslim should protect women no matter her religion, that women should cover herself to protect herself from gaze, that she shouldn't show off for men because that's what men want, that she is more valuable then a man, and god gives us the example of that of Marim the mother of Jesus peace be upon him.

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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dave, why are you using both name's?

3 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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That isn't a rebuttal. If you disagree with something he said, or feel he is mistaken, explain why.

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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Soso, shouldn't make statements on a subject you know nothing about.

3 years, 3 months ago

No belief system is beyond ridicule. That includes any and all religions, any and all cults, any and all sects, any and all philosophies. Just because you hold something sacred doesn't mean anyone else has to.

With that being said, no person should be subject to being classified as a monolith. Meaning that statements like "all Muslims are x, or all Muslims believe y, therefore all Muslims are bad" are NOT acceptable critiques of the Muslim faith.

Content and context of the texts and the resulting believes in action ought to be the source of ridicule for any religion. For Christians for example it's not really fair to say they're all murderers because their book tells them to.... That's obviously false since the majority of Christians don't follow the Bible in a literal sense.

For Muslims, however, it would be fair to point at things like martyrdom and explain the "death cult" phenomena of the suicide bombers. You can also look at some of the rules like "women can't drive" and make a compelling argument that if interpreted in a certain way, the Koran forms the basis for gender discrimination in some Muslim countries.

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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al tarbari is not a holy book that Muslims are obligated to believe in, its a matter of choice of study and because it has so many unauthentic and weak narration I choose not to study it, that doesn't mean I'm not a Muslim

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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fadi! do you even know what you are texting?

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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what? fadi

3 years, 3 months ago

Rebuking any faith is not racist. If you are rebuking it with racism, it is.

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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iraq looser

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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altabari is weak if you call it so you are not a muslim

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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And its not Muslim don't know about Islam, is that they do thats why they become Muslims, and you keep lying saying who live with Muslims if so where are you from,?
And do you know why so many Christians become Muslims, because it makes more sense,
one god, no trinity, which Paul added to Christianity 70yrs after Jesus
God's books
God's messengers, which Jesus is one his messengers and not his son, because it doesn't make sense how a god can have a son, and if so why would he sacrifice his son for other people's mistakes, it makes no sense.

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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Ooh! So that's where you getting your false information, from Al tabari, I don't read altabri it has to many weak narrations in it,
nice try fadi!

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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history does not lie go read altabari read alhadith you have already said that if he did these things he would be an immoral well go search and ask for yourself ask an imam and if i was right then leave islam the problem with islam is that it's people do not know enough about it

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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you say haters right well i don't hate islam it hates me

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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you say fastest growing religion i say these numbers are false islam is collapsing from within

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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no you are wrong

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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fadi, I wouldn't think that he had any morality at all, if the statements were true. Its obvious you have some kind of a personal agenda towards Islam, because you saying lies about it, but its ok , Islam is most fastest growing religion in the world for a reason, to be that good of a religion has to come with some haters!

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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they try to surrender to god but not to a false prophet named muhammad an immoral for it is written in the bible from their deeds you will know them and muhammad was immoral

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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can i ask you a question what do you think of alridda ? were the ridda wars right ?what do you think of Muhammad's immoral acts towards safia ? do you consider it to be sexual abuse ? what do you think of mohammad using two camels to tear a man apart ? what do you think of a man invading and killing people just because they were christians or jews ? what do you think of a man who married a nine year old kid ? what do you think of a man having more than fifty wives and sexual slaves ? wouldn't you call this man an immoral well muhammad did these things so what do you call him? a prophet i don't think so

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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okay, good fadi! your doing good, now did or didn't Jesus peace be upon teach people to surrender their will tp god? now answer the question, don't try to dance around it like most Christians do.

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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islam comes from taslim or surrender

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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ok, you know about Islam, what does Islam mean?

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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Your not answering my question, fadi!

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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i live in an Islamic country i know all about islam

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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fadi, how old are you? and where are you from?

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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you know nothing about history you say jesus used to teach islamic teaching are you nuts mohammad came 600 years after jesus jesus declared he was the savior and you say muslim you know that idea of islamizing all of the prophets is a stupid idea invented by muhammad first of all try not to enter the bath room with the wrong leg and then try to discuss such subjects

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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hhhhhh you guys are trying to cheat a person who has been living between muslims for two decades

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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You don't know nothing about Islam, and if Jesus peace be upon him was here he be defending it himself.

3 years, 3 months ago
blanco
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fadi, you don't know what your talking about, Muslims were tortured abused and thrown out of their homes
declared war against, they fought for their rights to live as Muslims! Jesus peace be upon him was a Muslim him self and he taught Islam to his people, Paul wasn't even one of his first followers, what are you talking about? he came 70 yrs after Jesus peace be upon, he was a Jewish Pharisees that prosecuted Christians, and Jesus peace be upon him himself told his disciples to buy swords,

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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and so they acted as humans but if peter or paul had done such a thing it would have destroyed the faith but when muhammad himself leads the army to conquer jewish villages you say that it was the normal thing at that time

3 years, 3 months ago
RyanWakefield
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in the UK, a few of our monarchs has protestants burnt at the stake

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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no iam not biased iam saying that a they have a history of 1400 years that were bloody and can be described as a continuous war abubakir omar bin alkhatab who were mohammad sahaba or first followers were ruthless murders so was muhammad regarding christianity did jesus use a sword ? did peter use a sword to spread the religion ? did paul use the sword to spread christianity? no these were jesus first followers 99%of them were killed for their faith but the first muslims weren't killed for their faith but rather they killed in the name of their prophet god and faith

3 years, 3 months ago

rebuking them is not racist. calling Mohammad a pedophile while completely ignoring the fact that Christians did the exact same thing is. calling Islam evil for what your own religion does shows how biased you are.

3 years, 3 months ago
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