The debate "Religion Is A Form Of Controlling A Person's Life" was started by
April 28, 2016, 10:03 am.
15 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 19 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Nemiroff posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
TZW posted 14 arguments, QueenQuirks posted 4 arguments, Nemiroff posted 4 arguments to the disagreers part.
Marvelgirl2002, sagitario, kaitchunn, tr, PoetPrincess85, danielle, joy25joy, truce_jttm, SueAnnMohr and 6 visitors agree.
dalton7532, TZW, RyanWakefield, Nemiroff, QueenQuirks, RedFox, ototoxic and 12 visitors disagree.
look at my response about ppl being controlled sums it up
it has more control over ppl than Religion. a lot of people can change religions more easily decide to be an athiest or whatever.
Society controlls people without ppl realizing it
Just like society
I say it's guidance on my behalf, guidance isn't control though. Some people are controlled by it, which isn't necessarily bad.
I didn't say it was absolute control. the state doesn't have absolute control either. but you cannot deny that religion has some level of control over people. not nearly as much as it used to. but it is still mechanism of control.
In a supervision type of way, but it doesn't mean it dictates everything. People still have free will. If you believe in G-d it doesn't mean you won't kill, steal, or anything that's a sin. Much less then how the government controls you or society.
no matter what you believe about your religion it does have control over you. it has rules you have to follow. if you try to say otherwise you are just dishonest.
Not all Jews believe in life after death. For me you live life for G-d because that's what he deserves and when you die you die. The Torah doesn't speak of heaven nor hell nor the devil those are falacies to me (but not all relgions) as for fish without scales, they are bottom dwellers meaning they eat the defecation of other fish.
there are many interpretations of the torah, and you are right about no heaven or hell, but to my knowledge, all Jews believe in some sort of everlasting life and consequences for your deeds.
The scarcity of food doesn't explain why scales and fins are necessary for a clean fish. if anything, limiting the types of foods one can eat will make food scarcity worse.
and what do you mean fish and vegetables weren't available? vegetables grow everywhere and the Jews lived right by the Mediterranean Sea.
Okay, so here is how my religion differs from other (can't say the same for all Jews). There's no hell or heaven, the everlasting damage is up to interpretation. Rather then saying you will burn in hell, it's your body that will face the consequences for your life (or your "eternity") as for your statement about japan, the Jews didn't always have access to fresh fish and vegetables like the Japanese are. Religion helped path that way, to make people healthier even when fish and vegetables aren't available for consumption. Like I have said the bible is up to interpretation, unlike like laws that are black and white, religion has an excessive amount of variant gray colors.
and how is cleanliness mandated? how is not eating clean food a major sin? shouldn't it just be some advice to live on without everlasting consequences?
Japanese food is very clean and healthy. they live longer than most other cultures... they do not follow Jewish law...
so fish without scales and fins are unclean?
I don't see the connection between not having scales and being dirty, please elaborate.
Cleanliness, it's healthier to eat how Jews eat compared to other cultures.
what's unclean about a rabbit?
pigs do have split hoofs and I didn't mention anything about chewing the cud because that is nasty, I'm wondering about the other rules of kosher food
They're unclean, literally it's cleaner to eat a salmon rather then a pig. It's healthy eating that nutritionist actually support.
what is the practical reason for not eating animals without split hoofs and fish without scales and fins?
Since you "know" my religion so well, tell one "stupid" law. Even though we don't have laws in religion they're called commandments.
you made a baseless accusation and a stupid assumption. I corrected them. that is all
Is that a debate response or an offended child's answer? You're not debating just throwing out every religion is stupid and inferior. I have seen you make one relative debate response in the multiple debates you have responded in.
I love how you answer your own questions.
I am Jewish. good job.
Religion is more then a book and doing what a book says. Stop acting like you know a religion if you're not in it. I don't judge muslims and tell them they're dumb for their beliefs, it may be different from mine but it's not dumb. The only people who are stupid and dumb when it comes to religion are the people like you, intollerent.
Are you jewish? No. You know nothing of my religion and a Google search won't tell you. Stop you religious intolerance bs.
Judaism has more than its share of stupid laws and restrictions that are justified only by "cause God said so"
I'm not catholic though, they expelled my people from the Vatican and claimed it was righteous.
I'll continue to use the Catholic Church as it is an easy example. people today understand that if you are in a bad marriage you should be able to divorce them and try to find someone better. Catholic doctrine says that marriage is forever and there is almost no exception. in society we can decide that devorce is acceptable and useful and we get change. the church has been refusing to change for centuries because they can't go against their own dogmatic views. you cannot protest, you cannot appeal because they "speak for God". there is no appealing their rules.
with society you can question the rules and ask why or try to change them.
with religion the justification is an all powerful being that you have no right to question and are unqualified to debate with.
Well yeah but its no different than society.
I never said that society didn't control people. it absolutely does. but religion does too. and this debate is about whether or not religion is a form of control. which it is.
Buff, you fall under the illusion that society, government, and people don't control you.
In fact society has more of a control on ppl than some religions.
and the catholic church could be similar to society's in the world that are to stubborn to change
Religion is changeable like Society. Plenty of Religions has evolved. Just like Society.
Religion is changeable as well. Lol. Do you realize how the word Christian is used no matter what condition somebody is in or how they live there life
society is changeable. if the majority change their mind then what is acceptable changes. the Catholic Church refuses to change until they are absolutely forced to. it took the Reformation and widespread chaos to get them to change the worst of their abuses. society can change in matter of a few years. religions it takes centuries.
There's two types of control one where you're stuck behind the bars and can touch and feel them. The second is not being able to see the bars and you think you're free.
Society Controls People in the same way. It controls how people think. what people what. what's right what's wrong but doesn't mean it makes people do or think anything
religion was absolutely designed to control people. telling people what to think, what rules they have to live by. at one point that was a good thing. after the fall of the Roman empire the Catholic Church took over alot of the centralized functions they used to take care of. if someone could read in the middle ages they probably learned it from the church.
but then we invented nationalism and a central government. we don't need churches for learning, we have schools. we don't need them to maintain control, we have police. most of the positive aspects of religion have been lost in a modern society. what remains is the down sides.
Since when? Christianity in fact improves ones life and definitely does not control anyone. People have a choice ya know.
not always a bad thing. think about early pre/early society people. religion brought order and law to them.
was it an attempt at control? yes
was it a bad thing? no