The debate "Reparations for slavery have been paid already...in blood white blood" was started by
August 6, 2019, 8:14 pm.
5 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 9 people are on the disagree side.
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It looks like most people are against to this statement.
jrardin12 posted 12 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 4 arguments, historybuff posted 6 arguments to the disagreers part.
jrardin12 and 4 visitors agree.
Allirix, TheExistentialist, historybuff, Nemiroff and 5 visitors disagree.
redlining didnt only happen in the south.
levittown didnt only happen in the south.
criminal justice abuse happens everywhere to this day.
Yes, injustices that, according to the amendments in the Constitution, were not supposed to happen. And mainly happening in the South.
however, fighting to stop the future abuse of people does nothing to counter the past abuse of people. you also failed to address any of the injustices committed against black people after slavery by both private and public aspects of this nation.
and after tripping them up and beating them down for generations AFTER slavery, some idiots chose to mock them for their failure to thrive under abusive conditions. talk about adding insult to injury.
Sorry, but white boys still died to free the slaves. And those boys in blue knew it.
That doesn't even make sense. They were fighting to keep their country together. You can not like black people and also not want your country to break apart. That has absolutely nothing to do with the army "disintegrating".
There is also a pretty big difference between being racist against black people and wanting them to be worked to death on a plantation. Racism isn't an all or nothing situation.
Well, by January 1863 they knew what they were fighting for. And if they were so racist the Union Army would have dissolved.
No, they died to keep their country together. They died because they were ordered to fight. I doubt if you asked the average union soldier what they were fighting for they would have told you it was to protect the black people. They might not have owned slaves but racism was still rampant.
If someone was raping you and when he was done said "hey, I stopped raping you. We're cool now right?" would you consider the matter resolved? Just because Americans stopped committing widespread, systematic crimes does not absolve them of the guilt of those crimes.
I do believe it. Because the Germans never died for the Jews, but Americans, including one of my great-great uncles, died for the slaves.
Yeah, Germans were kinda racist. So was everyone else back then. So are lots of people today. They did not know the jews were being killed. They therefore were not responsible for the holocaust.
Americans did know about slavery. They knew it was cruel and lots of slaves were dying. They were responsible for slavery. So slavery was worse than the holocaust and the american people were much more aware of the issue and much more accepting of the issue. They are therefore much more morally responsible for slavery than the German people were for the holocaust.
The difference is the German people own up to their part in the holocaust and made reparations for it while a large segment of the american people (such as yourself) try to absolve themselves of any kind of blame or responsibility for generations of abuse and death. You pretend like the act of freeing the people you spent generations abusing somehow makes up for generations of abuse.
Most slave owners were not cruel towards their slaves.
Not true, most slaves did not serve under a whip. Most slave owners were cruel to their slaves. Yes, there were some slave owners who mistreated their, but they were the minority.
Second, the German people were not aware of the death camps, but they participated in the boycotts against Jews and were happy enough to turn them to the Nazis. The were good with getting the Jews off the street.
In the US the abolitionist movement started even before there was a Constitution. Most of the Founding Fathers said slavery was immoral. Also the majority of Americans were very anti-slavery both in the North and South. About the only ones in favor were those who had them in the Cotton States.
I would argue that American slavery was worse than what happened to the jews. The holocaust was a horrible event. But it was an event that lasted a few years. Chattel slavery was every bit as brutal and torturous to the slaves but it went on for much, much longer. Generation after generation were made to suffer under the lash of white men with no end.
The majority of Germans had no idea the holocaust was happening. They didn't post news bulletins about it. It was not sponsored by Germany as a whole. It was sponsored by a specific group of the leadership. Slavery was known about by the entire population of the US. Much of the leadership of the US owned or supported slavery at one point. It was the backbone of the economy for large regions. It was much more widely accepted by the population and publicly sponsored by the US government. It is again much worse than the holocaust.
Well what happened to the Jews is nothing compared with what happened to slaves. Besides what happened to the Jews was sponsored by Germany as a whole. Slavery in the US was never looked on as good by most Americans.
reparations is not what their great.... grand children think, but what we feel as a nation. Jews did not ask for reputations from Germany, Germany offered them to the Jews.
And what they thought is what matters. Who cares what their ungrateful great-great grandchildren think.
Well the slaves thought so.
Ok. but you think that reparations were that white men fought to free them, when just as many white men were fighting to keep them in chains. As I am personally white, i can't speak for them. But if I were black I wouldn't consider that reparations. America was decades behind other countries freeing their slaves. The fact that the white people had to fight among themselves to come to the inevitable decision that slavery was wrong, does not make up for hundreds of years of chattel slavery.
And still it was a big sacrifice.
Ok, well my ancestors were part of the more than 300,000.
Also, your numbers are wrong. 360,00 men died to free the slaves. 258,000 died trying to keep them enslaved.
yes, to free the slaves who should not have been enslaved to begin with is the bare minimum that should be done.
in reality, those white boys died because other white boys didnt want to give up their slaves. those who fought, and killed, their fellows for such a despicable cause should not be honored.
I dont agree with moneyed reparations, but this country has cause alot of unnecessary injustice to these people including, but not only, slavery.
My point is that 600,000 white boys died to free the slaves.
for slavery, I agree. it's still a stain that we failed to pay for our crime, but it's too late for amends now.
however, this country has continued to be unfair to black people well beyond that, from the subsidized suburb home ownership for whites vs subsidized project rentals for blacks, to the til this day discrimination in our justice system. also private sector abuses like red lining and the Tuskegee experiments. this country has a long history of screwing black people well after slavery.
I don't know that they've been "paid in white blood," but it has been long enough that there are no reparations left to pay