The debate "Republicans undermining the Office of Congressional ethics proves they won't drain the swamp" was started by
January 3, 2017, 10:06 am.
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historybuff posted 4 arguments, PoliticsAsUsual posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff, PoliticsAsUsual, LuizMouraBR, WolfiesMom and 2 visitors agree.
neveralone and 5 visitors disagree.
what they have done is remove the ability for anyone to investigate that they don't have direct oversight over. if you are in a government job and you uncover evidence that a Republican is guilty of corruption, are you going to report it to a body that is controlled by the Republican controlled congress? especially when you have you do it openly? you'd probably destroy your career.
and since the agency that they've put in control has a history of ignoring reports without overwhelming evidence, you'd probably destroy your career for nothing since they would likely bury it anyway.
allowing the wealthy to have more say then the people, disenfrachising voters, eliminating oversight of their own activities, fighting against term limits, and fighting against educating their constituents
both parties have corruption, but the Republicans do systematic nonsense to empower themselves and those who pay them at the expense of the needs of the people. this has nothing to do with Republican policy or ideals. but the Republican leadership is a bunch of selfish scumbags who undermine the rights of the people.
forget taxes, regulation, religion. I'm talking about our ability to monitor our legislators, access our representatives, and limits on their ability to profit at our expense.
no you are not. and in case you are thinking that that is a good thing, retribution is a very real consequence of pissing off people in power.
anonymous complaints are as vital as anonymous votes. like you (or dalton, or others) said before, it is likely many people were to ashamed to tell pollers they support trump, and if the votes were not anonymous, they may have been to scared to vote for him too.
do you think certain congressmen would be nervous to report an ethics violation of the speaker of the house if their constituents depend on them having a working relationship with the leadership.
if your going to make a case as to why anonymous complaints are bad then you are drinking the propaganda Kool-aid and probably feel it's good for money to = spech, to sacrifice millions of legitamete voters voices to eliminate nonexistent possible false votes, and other underhanded moves flavored with some bullshit logic twisting.
Am I mistaken in that it removes anonymous complaints?
lets see what Trump does about it. though I would say this needs a lot of tweaking before it comes out.
here's a link to an article about it.
this topic is not about trump. it is about the blatent corruption in the Republican party.
I didn't say they were. they arnt Trump. there not the ones saying their going to fight corruption. I need to look more into this situation before I comment More so I can better understand what ur talking about so I am passing the plate to somone else.
how does undermining an agency investigating corruption sound like they are interested in fighting corruption?
this one has nothing to do with trump, that I know of. the Republicans in Congress don't want anyone investigating them that they can't control. they felt the investigations were "too aggressive". so now they can make sure they are never aggressively investigated. How is that a good thing?
corruption is an interesting thing. noone has truly gotten it out. many have promised like JFK. he did get some head in some ways until we talk about his relationship with the CIA. then it gets a little gray. I'm not defending Trump. though I hope he makes a great pres. just like I would if Hilary won. I would say the Republican party as a whole wants corruption out as I am sure democrats do. but after reading this I have come to a realization. corruption will never get out until we can play nice with each other. so go on and keep arguing with people trying to good instead of both sides trying to get the corruption out. sooner or later it will consume u.
the Republicans put the only independent body for investigating misconduct by congressman under their control. they now have the ability to prevent them from doing their jobs. they can no longer take anonymous complaints.
for all their talk, they are proving they are committed to their corruption.