The debate "Ronald Reagan was a better president than Obama" was started by
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It's funny this debate is about Reagan and Obama but you can't help yourself and drag Bush into it. One thing, we didn't have a surplus; how could Bush spend a surplus when we didn't have won? The deficit started with Clinton
Obama has set world records on largest debt, most spending and others, he cut his vacation how short when he learned of the oil spill? a few hours he cut his vacation. What was his solution to the oil spill.
1. don't let other countries help clean it up.
2. "I'm thinking.
3. no Canadian pipeline over land, keep the oil over the oceans.
W: Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. He set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. Attacked and took over two countries. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. His first year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. He had a great strategery...
And no...bush was not the worse we ever had...ever look at Grant? Ever look at Hoover? (Hoover is the only time in history where I will admit that the country needed a democrat in office)
I need a break...this is just a game of pin the blame on the donkey (hue hue I made a funny) and then the donkey then pins the blame on the elephant...We need to look ahead and learn from our mistakes...but not losding the values we started with.
Obama managed to avoid catastrophe despite the Republicans doing everything in their power to sabotage the nation so that they could blame it on him. Reagan had the cooperation of his opponents as he tried an unheard of strategy to try to jump start the economy.
First off..Clinton balanced the budget and handed Bush a surplus. Ronald Reagan was a great communicator. George W Bush was the worst president we have ever had. Technically, he should of never even been the president...Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of his father's appointments to the Supreme Court. He also shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. You can't compare Reagan and Obama. After GWB, any elected president would look like a failure
The people of Cuba want them to represent them. why would you refuse to talk to the leader of a people right off your border?
As long as Castro or Castro's supporters are in office...yes.
Are you opposed to restarting relations with Cuba?
Back to the roots of the question: Why Is obama a great president? I can only name 1.25 good things he has done; ,1. he took out Osama Binloden, .25 he created obama care/affordable care act.
In what way does questioning your obvious ignorance mean that I embrace the ideology you are ignorant about?
Karl Marx is famous for writing the communist manifesto, which regulating the banks in no way represents. You could make a case that the government protecting people from Bank stupidity is socialism, but the the same case could be made for protecting people from thieves. The government regulations being discussed are not socialist, they are common sense.
Haha yeah I do. Are you admitting to embracing that ideology?
You don't really know what Marx believed in, do you?
wow I must say I'm impressed with your Marxist ideology. Governments job is the will of the people
And it resulted in financial disaster. if you leave people with no rules they will abuse it. case in point the banks. or companies doing fracking and ruining the water supplies for large areas. or cigarette companies faking research studies showing that cigarettes are good for you. I can keep going but hopefully you see the point. companies priorities are profit first and foremost. government's priority is the good of the people. governments have to keep an eye on companies to try to balance profit with public good.
risks are something you have to take to be successful. can we not leave something up to Americans and banks to decide things. Does the government need to spoon feed us in everything indo. I want a smaller govermant, so do many conservatives and that is what Reagan did, he decreased government regulations and left things up to the people.
in 1982 the garn-st Germain depository institutions act was passed. it removed restrictions on loan to value ratios for saving and loans bank. Regan cut funding and staff to the federal home loan banking board. this lead to increased risky real estate ventures.
Reagan brought gain and surplus. Clinton, the Bushes and especially Obama caused losses, not Reagan.
When any group, country, clubs or others are falling apart people look to the leader and blame them. The only exeption would be if the leader is new.
Obama is not new and the country is in ruin. Maybe if he tried to make the country better I can take some blame of him, however everything he does is new like Obama care and spending money on new wars.
The Glass Act was put in place in 33 to protect private banks. Clinton repealed it in 99. That was removing rules that protected the American people
Removing rules put in place to protect people to bring about short term gains is a bad thing. it is either short sightedness or political opportunism.
there are too many factors in cased in the deficit that we have that blaming one person is stupid to begin with
bringing a surplus is a good thing in the short term. if it brings long term disaster it makes you wrong.
Rebublicans hate Obama care but he did it anyway.
I do not think it's fair to single out one instance, deregulation brought a surplus. Bush senior went to war (cost money). The combining of two different types of bank's allowed investment bank's to invest with other people's money (Clinton). Two wars by Jr.; and the toxic loans that were given out didn't help the financial situation
OK. the courts changing marriage is entirely unrelated. the courts are not elected. don't change the subject. and Obama Care was about saving lives and it is still seen as a terrible thing. if he'd tried to regulate banks the Republicans would have accused him of attacking business. and Regan deregulated the banks in 1982 leasing to increased risky banking deals.
If Obama can make Obama care and the court can redefine marraige, then the regulations can be replaced.
Americans love going on about their freedom and free markets. any attempt to regulate industries is viewed as an attack on freedom. so yes, it is the fault of the one who deregulated the banks in the first place. because it is alot harder to try to bring the regulations back.
But not Reagan.
In the 90's we started going into debt (attributed to George H. W. Bush). Clinton repealed the Glass Act in 99 to try and counter act it. But in doing so investment banking and private banking combined and we're given more freedom (eventually losing more money). George W. Bush did not do anything about it, nor has Obama. It is many incompetent president's combined that have caused this problem
we can't blame Obama for stuff happening near the end of his presidency, so let's blame the pres 30 years ago for stuff happening today. But not Obama.
No flaws in that logic
To me more money leading to complete implosion is still a bad thing. Canadian banks were (and still are) very profitable as well despite regulations. but they didn't collapse. removing the regulations was very short sighted. the entire human race being happy for 30 years and then going almost extinct doesn't seem worth it.
your right it did eventually lead to a collapse; however, his deregulation brought on a surplus
It would seem most people disagree with you. as a side note, I believe it was Regan that deregulated the banks in the US. as a result there was little governing rules to keep them in check. which lead to the banking collapse and the destruction of many of the major banks.
There are alot of things a president cannot control. when revenue goes down because of a huge recession then governments either run a deficit or make huge cuts to services. since cutting off people's old age pensions isn't an option a deficit is required. he also inherited two wars which are very expensive. these things are not his fault. any President would have run huge deficits.
I'll start simple. Do you understand that debt is almost universally necessary during a recession?
It's like you don't understand 7 trillion dollars in debt is a bad thing, and you don't understand the pres is responsible for stuff.
It's almost like you don't understand what a recession is or how that would influence national debts.
Reagan was a great pres, one of the best.
He spent the least goverment money because the government has no money to spend. Look at the 7 trillion dollors in debt, a world record, Google "Obama spending records", and come back to me. He prides himself on spending, liberals like Obama think spending will lower the debt, and want to spend money, us reasonable people like Reagan know how to make a country great.
Spending money our country doesn't have is not some new trend created by Obama. And if you look at data released by Forbes, Obama has spent the least government money out of every president since Eisenhower.
I don't blame him for every bad thing that happens...I blame him for bills that he pushes through congress by threatening to veto any budget that they try to pass if they dont meet his demands.
People blame him for almost every bad thing that happens. whether or not he had anything to do with it seems not to matter.
One person... I blamed one person for spending trillions of dollars that the US government does not have and apparently im blaming him of everything.
most people don't blame him for everything that happens like you do. that being I don't know that much about Regan's presidency.
Do people actually beleive that obama is a better president than Reagan was?...*Enter mind blown meme here*