Saudi arabia is a hostile government. we shouldnt support it

November 18, 2016, 11:17 pm

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The debate "Saudi arabia is a hostile government. we shouldnt support it" was started by Blue_ray on November 18, 2016, 11:17 pm. 22 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 16 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

Blue_ray posted 3 arguments, Yanksxx21 posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 7 arguments, Radhikadhawan posted 7 arguments, neveralone posted 6 arguments, Yanksxx21 posted 3 arguments, thereal posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.

Blue_ray, jack_tim_45, LepakshiSehgal, LiberalDemocrat, WolfiesMom, ZenithOmega, Neopatriarch, ruba, human and 13 visitors agree.
monikofos, Yanksxx21, thereal, giw2000rgos, historybuff, Wiranto97, neveralone and 9 visitors disagree.

neveralone
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weren't u mad about us getting closer to Russia? what u said is basically the same thing.

2 years, 11 months ago

haven't you ever heard keep your friends close and your enemies closer? cutting ties with quasi-ally has no up side.

2 years, 12 months ago

I believe Saudi Arabia and we have far different interests. They shouldnt be close to us

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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true.

2 years, 12 months ago

You need to balance the benifets and any actual advancment for yourself, there is really no argument to be had here as it's shearly an opinion.

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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I'm not really talking about Sadia anymore. I'm talking about our idea sitting on the sidelines or trying to help. idk on Saudi I don't know the situation well enough to make an informed opinion on that.

2 years, 12 months ago
Radhikadhawan
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Do u know Saudi Arabia follows sharia law.. People living there are mostly Muslims... Muslims are not against sharia law and neither against their govt... What will be the result if you go and start a war with Saudi... Do the people need it?? Unnecessarily so many people will be killed... If someone does not want your help you are not going to cram your help to him

2 years, 12 months ago

so u would rather let that person die or be seriously injured because he was prideful?

first step separate second figure out what's happening third if I know them and they allow it make a choice if not give my opinion. though that's diff. with countries. u will always know the situation in their case

same could be said with the other. I'm sorry for the innocent that got harmed. I would prefer to avoid war if possible but I know sometimes war is required for now.

2 years, 12 months ago

first you need to know of the person wants your help. if they don't then it is none of your business.

secondly what is your help going to cause? if your idea of help is shooting the attacker in the face and it turns out to be a family argument, you are now a murderer.

thirdly you need to learn to balance the consequences of your "help" with the good. America thought communism was bad and people shouldn't do that. so they bombed millions of innocent people in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. the harm vastly outweighed the "good".

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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we are trying at least. if a guy was being beaten on the border from Canada and America would u not try to help? or will u still be on the sidelines?

2 years, 12 months ago

History I think your usually an idiot, however I agree

2 years, 12 months ago
Radhikadhawan
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Exactly, historybuff

2 years, 12 months ago

@thereal. I don't think you understand that what Hitler wanted was to be the dominant power in Europe. it is America that tried to take over the world.

@neveralone you really need to pay closer attention to more recent history. America has intervened in many conflicts since WW2 that it had no business being involved in. it is exactly that attitude that you are the "world police" that gets you into trouble. you don't have the right to unilaterally intervene in foreign countries.

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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so what's the difference? people are being stomped on and u want to sit on the sidelines? that's what we did and that was obviously a mistake. every time we stay out of a war. everyone gets hurt. so u tell me. if u have the power to stop bad things from happening would u sit on the sidelines or do something about it?

2 years, 12 months ago

i dont think neveralone gets the fact that hitler wanted total domination of the world.

2 years, 12 months ago

exactly, radhika

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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reasonable...unless that country means I'll will to u. America made a mistake when we took that same thought for Hitler

2 years, 12 months ago
Radhikadhawan
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I don't think our govt would either be interested in starting a war with a country where the citizens don't have any problem

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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that's depends on ur gov.

2 years, 12 months ago
Radhikadhawan
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What will happen if you won't support it... There are so many people within the country who support their govt.. U cannot really do anything..

2 years, 12 months ago

Saudi Arabia throws gays off buildings, opresses women, and performs public executions so why would anyone support them

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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well then u could go either way depending on ur country's feelings toward both countries. and who's in the right or wrong if hostilities are there and if they are physical.

2 years, 12 months ago
Radhikadhawan
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It is neither to my country

2 years, 12 months ago

agree

2 years, 12 months ago

idk if it is or not just giving an example

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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I mean the country being hostile to urs.

2 years, 12 months ago
Radhikadhawan
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Obviously

2 years, 12 months ago
Radhikadhawan
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N it's not towards me

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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if it's hostile toward u.

2 years, 12 months ago
Radhikadhawan
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Yeah of course if the people don't have any problem with the govt who are we to call it as hostile... There is no need to be so judgemental

2 years, 12 months ago

probably. there are always some people who don't like their government. does it matter for the purposes of this debate?

2 years, 12 months ago

Do the people living in Saudi have any problem with the govt??

2 years, 12 months ago

and even if all of that is true and they are secretly supporting ISIS that doesn't make them a hostile government. the US funded and armed jihadis in Afghanistan to undermine the Russians. does that make them the enemy of everyone those jihadis killed? because that would be alot of countries, including themselves.

lots of countries do similar things. international diplomacy is extremely complicated. trying to dumb it down to hostile or friendly means you will never be able to understand it.

2 years, 12 months ago

all that website said was that an unconfirmed email said that someone in the government suspected the Saudis were finding ISIS. no one can confirm the email is genuine. and even if it is there's no actual evidence that person is correct.

that article doesn't prove anything at all.

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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yep they suck. there's definitely going to need a talking to.

2 years, 12 months ago
Blue_ray
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you support hillary right? then its for you.

http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/10/hillary-in-leaked-email-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-are-funding-isis/&ei=CvAMcvUn&lc=en-IN&s=1&m=61&host=www.google.co.in&ts=1479570412&sig=AF9NedlldnwmdS8ybkDK8tDZyYpC7pPjMg

2 years, 12 months ago

please provide any evidence that the Saudi government funds ISIS. to my knowledge there is none. they do fund mosques. but you could look at it as they are charitable. they are helping those of their faith who are living in an area that is hostile to their beliefs. that doesn't make the Saudi government hostile to America.

2 years, 12 months ago
neveralone
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ok from blue rays points I would say they suck

3 years ago
Blue_ray
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they are funding ISIS.

3 years ago
Blue_ray
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its appropriate to say that Saudi is a hostile country. Saudi Arabia is a barbaric country from which the ideologies of jihad and wahabism arrived ( The one's which ISIS believes in). KSA funds over 80% of mosques in americas, they want muslims to stay in american soil but they dont want them to become americans. Instead of funding mosques , why dont they build schools and hospitals in the US?

3 years ago

I'm not sure hostile is the right word. the problem is that you assume countries can all be classified in black and white terms. it is a result of the cold war. the American government painted all countries as allies of freedom or the axis of evil.

the Saudi Arabian interests and American interests overlap in certain areas and are antithetical in certain areas. saying they are hostile isn't accurate. saying they are a close ally isn't accurate either.

3 years ago
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