School is pointless for most things in life. Debate me

November 12, 2018, 10:01 am

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The debate "School is pointless for most things in life. Debate me" was started by xenophon00 on November 12, 2018, 10:01 am. 48 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 75 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

xenophon00 posted 5 arguments, US7 posted 1 argument, Shrestha posted 1 argument, Jakellutis posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 8 arguments, TheExistentialist posted 1 argument, Akleesha posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

bae_jil_dong, serinahannah, US7, PansectionalPurity, xenophon00, Jakellutis, rohanpamnani, Matt, A_communist94, Dushonjj2, JDAWG9693 and 37 visitors agree.
jrardin12, Aceabdu2, Emihle, P627, sidhant, arjitjha, Nemiroff, TheExistentialist, Brynn, Rose, precious, Debater23, Akleesha, TJ, Coriander and 60 visitors disagree.

the main reason we all are surviving is quality food, quality water and quality shelter. and all the three things are achieved only if we have quality education which is given to us by the schools. so schools can never be pointless.

2 weeks, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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I agree it should incorporate more critical thinking and independent thought... but aside from history class which is always biased, what is education "indoctrinating"?

it's probably not math or langauge... are you talking about science?

3 weeks, 1 day ago

Public school is a system of indoctrination wherein children are forced to learn doctrine whether or not they are interested in doing so. It does not teach independent thought or critical thinking.

3 weeks, 1 day ago
Shrestha
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My friend you are partially correct. Making money actually depends upon the the career you will be pursuing in future. For example, someone from commerce or banking background should know maths, accounts, statistics, etc. to earn a living. But someone like a cricketer, footballer, athlete, singer, actor etc. might actually not require those statistical tools to make money. Yes simple maths is required cause that is required in each and every field of work. But macro micro economics not required at that level. You can google it out or watch YouTube videos to learn anything anywhere anytime.
Many things that we have learnt in school we dont remember because of the teaching style of teacher or that particular subject which just makes no sense( example there was a subject in our school which was easy to score so students used to take that subject not for knowledge but for scoring marks).
Even the IT engineers(my personal experience) who dont know even the 'S' of statistics are earning huge amount of money.
So, if you have a passion for studying then yes get engrossed in books but if you are cramming just to score good then its pointless. And invest your time in what you love to do like singing, acting, playing sports etc. But do it seriously as nothing comes easy and put a lot of hardwork in that if you want to earn a living out of it.

Like I said in my earlier post that schools should focus more on personality development and art of learning to make the career path of students a bit easy and not dumping all the information in the brains of students.

3 weeks, 3 days ago
TheExistentialist
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ok, so if you want to "learn about money" you'll need a strong background in math and statistics, you'll need to be educated in macro- and micro-economics, you'll want to learn about the regulatory bodies of whatever industry you're looking to make money in, you'll need a strong communications background, you'll need to know how to research (i.e. find, evaluate, and understand reputable sources).....so please tell me, without schooling where will you acquire these skills?

3 weeks, 4 days ago

I believe schools are just another business strategy to make money these days.

In the intial phase of schooling I believe they shouls concentrate more on the personality development of the child rather than loading him or her with information and homeworks.

3 weeks, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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what 8 year old knows what they are going to do? the point of giving everyone a foundational education is so that they have a chance at whatever career they end up choosing

3 weeks, 6 days ago

why people prefer the long road , if all this about a passion or self interest its alright , but it is about money your wrong , if you want money learn about money and how to make it

3 weeks, 6 days ago

As @Nemiroff has stated; careers beyond flipping burgers, dunking fries, or greeting people at Walmart require education. When it comes to high-school or similar primary education, they effectively teach you reading, math, sciences, history, etc... These are the basic foundations of every education.

You need history, even as a lawyer (as mentioned by @xenohon00) in order to contextualize legal cases, study case law in regards to the history in which those cases were heard. You need math and writing skills for just about any career. Beyond that, history will let you contextualize the present. If you don't know about Hitler and WW2, then how would you be able to discern anti-semitic rhetoric and acts. If you don't know anything about slavery and jim crow, how would you ever understand institutional racism? If you don't understand the French revolution, how would you understand our own. If you haven't read John Locke's "Treaties of Government" you'll likely never truly understand the constitution.

Science classes not only teach you about the world you life in, it teaches you a methodology of answering questions. It gives you a foundation of how to go about finding the right solutions to certain problems.

Math....should be obvious. If you can't do math, you'll never hack it in any well paying job.

Subjects like art, music, theater, etc.... will let you appreciate great artists of their time. If you don't understand cubism, then going to a Picasso exhibit will be pretty boring. Understanding basic music theory will let you listen to works that you haven't heard before and immediately gain a deeper appreciation for it.

Philosophy will expose you to logic and rules of arguments. It will let you analyze the words of others and read deeper into them. It will allow a greater insight into false arguments as well and thus make you less gullible.

Beyond all of this though is the simple fact that not every student knows what career they want to enter when they grow up and thus it is the responsibility of the schools to expose students to various fields of study to allow the student to choose their own path.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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your grade school education is necessary to prepare you for more advanced careers and bear real fruit in college.

it would suck if you did decide to pursue an advanced career and didnt have any of the required base knowledge.

4 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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did you go to college?

4 weeks ago
xenophon00
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I agree completely, I feel it hasn't taught me what I should've known now.

4 weeks ago

The only thing which the school teaches or the school gave to us nd which get reflected in life is manners nd frnds...

4 weeks ago

Right now the subjects taught in school are very well rounded and doesn't assume the child learning will do x or y.

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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yeah. kinda like sex ed was 2 classes in high school during social studies, just stick them in here and there as needed.

1 month ago
xenophon00
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Well what if it was all just one class that teaches all of this, and such throughout the whole school year. School doesnt have to be for just the "real world" but as I did agree with you earlier because the core classes do have some purposes, they can still fill those slots.

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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I agree with adding those classes, but would they really fill a whole school year worth of material? should they even be in the same year?

financial planning would pretty much just cover how to monitor your expenses and maybe make a basic balance sheet. maybe a week worth of material in high school.

cooking and food can be covered in a month somewhere in jr. high

voting isnt that hard, go to location, check some boxes, and slide it in a slot. to decide how to vote would require basic economics, language, critical thinking, history, philosophy... it's pretty much all of those core classes over all the years + some college... so you can say all education is teaching you how to vote.

I would agree we should have special classes spread throughout all of schooling to cover them, but it shouldnt replace any of the core materials.

1 month ago
xenophon00
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Well here's another thing, school doesn't want to teach their students about the "real world" because they state that it's the parents job. However, I disagree because what if let's say it's a single parent after a hard day of work coming home, they don't have the energy to do much, then again teach the kid how to pay taxes. Even if History, and Science, are relevant in some way shouldn't school be teaching their students how to vote and contribute to society and make big decisionsin their life?

There may be some school systems that try to do this, but I feel like most of them are failing at contributing to helping the children learn this.

1 month ago

perhaps a wide variety of core classes will help keep future options open for kids who have no clue about what they may want to do with their lives. even if much of the info will be useless to the path they choose, having many options is extremely valuable so early in the journey.

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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the only other class I can think of is science, and just like history, I think it's more an issue of how we teach it. science should be more about the questions humans have asked and how we answered them.

rather then a class on what is a cell and then looking at some pond water through a microscope, an exploration of how and why these discoveries were made and how they changed our lives. science is all about curiosity, not listing facts. how we found out what we know is much more interesting then what we know. it also opens the door for more questions to be answered instead of more facts to memorize.

1 month ago
xenophon00
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How about other core classes? They may have a few points but wherever you're trying to go or be in life it doesn't really help or matter.

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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history is alittle different then math. it may not help you as a policeman, but do you not think it is absolutely vital when you go vote, to judge the actions of your leadership, or even your own actions? history helps you as a human being.

school history is horribly because it focuses too much on dates and names instead of reasons and outcomes. but just because we are teaching it wrong doesnt mean it shouldnt be taught.

1 month ago
xenophon00
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Personally, I agree with you

However, I feel if you're going into such a career involving law, why would it help you to learn about the ancient pyramids of Egypt and so on. There's jobs involving History, however if as I was saying, lawyers. Well where would anything from the History subject partain or make any relevance to that job?

1 month ago

school give you the basic foundation if you ever want to pursue an actual career. sure the math above arithmatic won't help you if your moving boxes in a factory or driving a taxi, but if you ever want to go into a serious career like medicine, statistics, business, you won't understand any of the useful math.

it's like learning the alphabet isnt going to help you speak, but you need to know them for any hope of understanding grammar or vocabulary.

1 month ago
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