Shiite Muslims have some differences within and not all of them are eligible enough

May 28, 2020, 3:45 am

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The debate "Shiite Muslims have some differences within and not all of them are eligible enough" was started by safalcon7 on May 28, 2020, 3:45 am. 7 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 3 people are on the disagree side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

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safalcon7
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Sunni sects are all based on the core belief system that I mentioned so no controversies arise among Sunnis that much. They are not even sects in some sense. That begs for another thread which I'll put up soon.

However, I didnt say that they didnt agree to Muhammad (saw) being the last messenger. They actually believe that he shouldn?t have been, rather Ali(Ra) should have been the chosen one. Also they consider the first three caliphs of Islam after prophet (pbuh) death to be kaafirs (non-believers). They believe Ali (Ra) was the only believer among the four and the other three left the faith as soon as prophet (saw) died. They celebrate the death and birthday of Ali (Ra) which is clearly forbidden. They also exaggerate with the death anniversary of Hassan-Hussain (ra), two sons of Ali (ra) by hurting their ownself on the back which is also supported by no known authentic historical or islamic source.

About misinterpretation of the Quran, yes they misinterpret some of the verses to turn em in favor of revelation on Ali (ra) which is not supported by any authentic and reliable tafseer (explanation) of the Quran.

10 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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ok, just responding based on research i just did.

1. they do consider muhammed a prophet, according to you the problem is they dont consider him the last prophet. but i found no reference to that in my search. they do consider ali sinless and infallible, but they consider all of the main decendants of Muhammed to be that way. im guessing its like how the cathlics view the pope. he is infallible, but not a prophet in any sense.

2. im certain they dont think they are misinterpretting them, and likely accuse sunnis of the same. im not sure if there is an objective way to measure this. are you saying there are no sects amongst sunnis?

3. based on my research, they consider ali the first imam. i saw no mention of prophethood.

10 months, 2 weeks ago
safalcon7
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Then I'll just scratch the surface and make it easy for your understanding.

Islamic belief refers to the concept of monotheism that there is only one God and prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the last messenger sent from God. This is the primary belief of a Muslim. There are additional 5 concepts that a Muslim has to believe in to become a Muslim. If one refuses to believe any one of them, he may no longer be a Muslim anymore. 90% of the Muslim population are called Sunni who follow this dogmatic system and only 5% are Shiite Muslims. Now, Shiite Muslims have multiple sects within themselves and renowned scholars have declared only 1 or 2 of them to be called Muslims at the least. The other 10-12 sects are outruled to be Muslims at all.

Reasons : The Shiite believe that God is one. But they Don't believe in Muhammad (pbuh) to be His last messenger. Rather they consider that the final revelation which is the Quran was not sent upon Muhammad (pbuh) but upon Ali, God be pleased with him. They claim that it was mistakenly blessed upon prophet Muhammad (saw) as it was supposed to be revealed upon Ali (Ra). For that to be true, they needed solid evidence and so they altered the meanings of certain verses of the Quran.

So now, they have done multiple violations of the core belief of Islam that no high standard scholar allows for a Muslim to believe that are-

1. They Don't believe in prophet (saw) and his prophethood.
2. They falsify the message of Quran and misinterpret its verses which is clearly prohibited.
3. No historical evidence supports their claim of Ali (ra) being the prophet. Not even Ali (ra) himself ever claimed that for himself.

So, some of the many reasons why they're not among the believers any more.

10 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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lets start from scratch.

10 months, 2 weeks ago
safalcon7
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But I don?t know if you have basic knowledge about Islam and the faith and the system in whole! If you do, I don?t have to start from scratch.

10 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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isnt that why we are here? i got time.

10 months, 2 weeks ago
safalcon7
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needs elaborated discussion.

10 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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what pointers?

10 months, 2 weeks ago
safalcon7
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eligible "muslims". we call it akeedah (set of core beliefs). Shiite muslims actually contradict multiple of those pointers to be called Muslims in the first place.

10 months, 2 weeks ago

not eligible for?

10 months, 2 weeks ago
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