The debate "Should college be free" was started by
February 29, 2016, 12:19 am.
29 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 15 people are on the disagree side.
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PoliticsAsUsual posted 8 arguments, RyanWakefield posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
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FlowerChild420, Safira30, RyanWakefield, PoliticsAsUsual, danielle, jellybear, justice, Rhetorician, sophie15forest, fadi, ReadyToBegin, Julia_lee and 17 visitors agree.
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Dave what stupid things will you take money from?
Rich people legally being Rich doesn't count
Im from Indonesia im disagree because the university here is an independent of government cost meaning that they free to looking for income from their college students but it has law to do that the university also need money to improve their education system, riset and technology system and in the end also benefits for student itself. But the university should compare the college cost depends on the students parents income
Alex, I don't understand why you are struggling to understand our perspective on this one. Listen to Ben Carson's speech about how important education is, and the fact that one of the biggest problems with America is that it has been dumbed down. Helping deserving kids, no matter their economic background, go to college would help that.
The government doesn't need to "poof up" money, there is lots of money being spent of stupid things already.
college costs have been rising since the government instituted assistance programs. maybe someone should look over their books and make sure they aren't scamming the gov.
only pay up to a certain level. if someone is a genius we should fund them through graduate school, if someone can't pass highschool, they should be sent back to high school.
if you receive gov assistance for college, you must stay and work in the US for 10 years (or more if graduate school is included) or be sent an enforceable bill for the tuition.
taxing the wealthy is not unfair, they would not have gotten as rich in any other market and owe it to the system to do their fair share. higher taxes on the wealthy have always corresponded with a great economy and higher social mobility.
the problem is 50, 000 Is kinda hard for a goverment with record debt to poof up. unless, of course unfair taxing is done. what is hilary's stance on this? bernie lost and has 0 chance of being the nomanation.
no one is saying that people who fail in high school would get into college. you would still have to work just as hard for your grades. just once you get those grades you don't have to spend $50,000 to continue your education. you would also have more time to devote to your studies.
Also there are hard working students out there that actually take the time out to study in order to make good grades.. that would be like spitting in their faces for the students who don't study yet they get to go to college for free as well.. that would be unfair
if college was free then making good grades during your school career would be pointless
Alex do you understand how economies work at all? factories don't move to China because of taxes. they move there because they can pay their workers $2 a day instead of a livable wage here. they save a fortune because the costs are so much lower. it has very little to do with their tax codes.
unless you are brilliant scholarships won't cover all your expenses for going to university. even with a decent scholarship you still need 10s of thousands of dollars. I went to university, I had scholarships. I still needed alot more money. so saying it's easy to pay for it if you are smart is simply not true.
do you really think it's that easy to get a great job? especially without an education. the economy is at almost 0 growth. management jobs don't just appear on trees. most big companies are cutting jobs. you can work hard for years and never get ahead. but you just assume that hard work =success. it would be nice if that were true. but it simply isn't anymore, if it ever was.
I don't think you get it.
a person in poverty Can go to school, get a scholarship and get a good job if they are smart. if the person isn't super smart and can't afford collage, but is a good hardworking American they can get a minimum wage job. their boss will see that if they do the job really well and promote them. your right factories are moving to china. why is that? because factory owners don't want extra unfair tax on them, that China doesn't give them. wall street people will go make money in China if you tax them unfairly.
You are basing your opinion on upward mobility on what? Again you are making claims without ever backing them with anything but hot air.
No one has advocated stealing. Taxes are part of the responsibility of living in society. If you don't want to pay taxes, leave.
How exactly do you think a hard working person born into poverty will retire comfortably? There is a ceiling for how far someone can advance without education, and it is getting progressively lower as the blue collar jobs disappear. Hard working people used to be able to get decent jobs in factories where they could advance through their work. How many jobs like that still exist? If someone is working part time at a minimum wage job, or 3, how much can they advance? Go work at Walmart or McDonald's for a while and tell me how comfortably you could live, raise a family, and save for retirement on your income.
so stealing money is somehow justified? they are both hardworking, happy people. if one is hardworking and smart they are not going to remain on a minimum wage job fit long.
we constantly reference the hard working. the statement directly before yours was talking about the hard working. do you even read what other people say?
we keep saying that a wall Street banker makes more in an hour than most people do in a day. is he working harder than someone working 60 hours a week doing back breaking labor? of course not. but he makes like 10 times as much.
let's say we have two smart hardworking people, and two lazy bums.
1 smart person is born into a rich family, he grows up making that family even richer by hard work. he retires and makes money from wall street.
the 2nd smart person is born into poverty. he realizes that he has a choice, and that he controls his life, not the goverment. So he works hard, maybe needs welfare for a year or two, maybe not. 50 years later he is retiring with a pretty good amount of money from his hard work.
both are happy with their life.
lazy person who gets born into a rich life either loses his small loans he gets, or is lazy and keeps his money, not working and makes a bit of wall street. he makes little to no % of his original money.
a lazy person born into poverty sees how the goverment will pay for him to not work minimum wage, and figures that he doesn't want to work hard enough to get promoted out of minimum wage. he lives his life being supported by the government and hates rich people.
neither are nearly as happy as the two successful people.
on your arguments you seem to be refrenceing the lazy people instead of the hardworking. america is built for the hardworking.
nobody says being rich is easy, but the top wall Street traders earn around $300,000 a year, whilst if someone is on minimum wage and (hypothetically) works 24 hours a day all year, they only earn $63,500. is the wall Street guy really working harder?
wall street bankers earning millions not easy. you seem to think being rich is easy or something. people work to be rich, they get rewarded with their money being tacken away, and people call that fair? that is a load of crap.
I think people should not be dependent on the goverment. the more people the goverment gives money to, the more people the goverment owns, and the more power the goverment has. most people who get on welfare don't come off. so let's avoid putting people on welfare. instead of saying the best a person in poverty can do is welfare, encourage them to follow the american dream to escape poverty.
my god that was a load of crap. the government absolutely has the right to tax corporations and citizens.
you just want us to be happy as our ability to earn a living is systematically undermined while wall Street bankers continue to earn millions? why would we be happy about that?
the massive economic crash was because banks were doing whatever they wanted. the lack of regulations cause them to take bigger and bigger risks. And then they lost and we all lost. Canada's banks did much better because they have stronger regulations. banks need government regulations. because they aren't just betting with their own money. they're betting with everyone's money.
I'm in favor of scholarships, and programs to help people succeed.
collage costs thousands of dollors. if sanders wanted to tax everyone, it would only hurt those who get scholarships because scholarships will be unneeded. but sanders wants instead to take all the money from wall street He gas 0 constitutional right to do so. he could, if he wanted to enforce wall street laws, or reform wall street. but you just can't take money from whoever.
I say instead if being jealous, be happy for the people who got successful of wall street. also wall street has been around for a while, middle class people were able to live good. and retire with sufficient money, and not have to depend on the goverment. how? because one used to be able to put 5-10% of their money into the bank each week, and gain interest. this built up interest was what many used to ritire. now regulations on banks make banks spend more. banks don't want to lose money, so they cut their interest rates, making the stock market the only way to make money, and only the rich benefit from what that.
why not take of regulations on banks and let people make money this way, as it worked in the past.
Bonds attached to anyone who gets free education
Now that's what we need
you can go wherever you want if you paid for your education, but you have to collect a return on your investment or it will be a loss. Just like if a company pays for your education you often must sign a contract that you will then work for them for several years or they can sue for their money. The Gov should do the same.
Thats what iam talking about in India the government gives them subsidised education and what do they do they leave their motherland for US, UK and so on
what's wrong with them coming here for a better future? isn't that how America was founded and built.
my problem is if they come here, get their education, then leave. they must stay and work here for a certain number of years if we are going to pay for their education.
and this is only for citizens. noncitizens are welcome to come and work, and apply for citizenship eventually, but they should not enjoy the benefits of any social services beyond the bare minimum.
Its not about being rich and poor what does the government get in return most of these graduates emigrate to developed nations for more money and better future so y
universal primary and secondary school made us strong. universal college will only make us stronger.
let the 3rd world take our garbage manufacturing and other slave labor. we can outsource those whole in sourcing every job worth a crap and solidify our super power status.
or we can go the Republican way of shooting ourselves in the foot.
let's get rid of public schools too. if they want their kids to know how to read and basic math, they should just work harder!!!!
yes, education, the key to getting out of poverty, should be available only to the rich.
and forget letting them pay for it themselves, we should eliminate minimum wage laws and just turn the poor into slave labor.
you must be either wealthy and completely self interested, or utter sheep.
Naah let these buggers pay for it
Its more of an investment for parents
If I understood Alex correctly, the issue is not the benefits of investing in education, but paying for it by taxing the wealthy, which he feels is tantamount to stealing.
Funding education is an investment to make society as a whole better. Think of it like roads. We pay to build roses that don't immediately make us any money, but they allow goods and people to move faster, benefiting everyone. Education makes a better trained and equipped work force, allowing more advancement. Education is a great way to reduce crime since if people can get decent jobs they don't need to break the law to survive.
Everyone benefits from having a better educated society, and almost everyone know that on some level. Look at Carson's education initiatives. He helps low income schools with reading rooms and sees an improvement. He glorifies academic success and entire classes see the GPA go up. If the government could take that approach, imagine how much more of an impact it could have than a single well intentioned individual.
money out of nowhere? lol, seriously?
that's the thing about money, it doesn't come from nowhere.
and Noone is stealing, do you think those people would have gotten that rich in any other market?
everyone has to pay their share, and the wealthy benefit more than anyone else from the rules and stability of this nation.
if it were possible to have free collage, like if the government got a bunch of money out of nowhere, or something like a smart kid gets a scholarship.
stealing money from rich people, and then using it to pay for their kids collage isn't that great either.
city College should be free to people of low and middle income who qualify for a certain level of education. for example, a genius should have it covered all the way to doctor or scientist level, less smart people should be able to get to a bachelor's at least.
a bigger issue is fixing our primary secondary and maybe even some decent preK in poorer neighborhoods. otherwise we will continue to screw them and leave them out of society.
do you guys want more functional members of society? or continue to propagate a welfare state which is the right wings fault for being to "fiscally responsible" to provide a decent education to large portions of our own population.
this isn't handouts, education is about opportunity equality, something the right tries to pay lip service to but does nothing about.