The debate "Should US become a christian nation" was started by
February 13, 2017, 10:56 am.
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what country are you from? because being a Nazi is actually illegal im Germany. (and Austria)
also you people highlight these small incidents which includes 'possession of fireworks(the link said)' and keep forgetting about the dangerous real weapons kids carry to their school in your country.
what do you mean by nazi minorities? Germans arent minorities in Germany. Also they guy arrested for explosives wanted to kill some germans.. He isnt a nazi. He's a terrorist. Nazis respect their citizens.
I'm not defending Muslim terrorists, but if you think nazi minorities act any different.
they are very different in how they act when they are majority. in Muslim nations at worst you get a tax as long as you don't insult their prophet. nazis however, your birth can be enough for a death sentence.
oh yeah, Muslim majority counties like turkey accept westerners with no sharia law or death threats. can you show me a single inclusive nazi? :)
If you think they are so tolerant, why do you think in countries like say Israel or India, where muslims form minority are aggressive and aim for partition and terrorist attacks?
Shut up kid...... Nazis are speaking. Shhhhhh.
yeah, religiously traditional conservative societies of all faiths do not respect women or anyone who doesn't accept their full doctrine. Muslims have historically been far more tolerant of minority groups than Christian society. such as the treatment of Jews in Muslims spain vs christian.
stop calling people parasites
We atleast respect animals and our own people. Do these Parasites respect their wives? animals? people?
I didn't say it's good. I said it's better than what nazis did to many of their occupied people... if they even considered them people.
Just installed the app today after finding somewhere to debate. Hmmm Smells new.
as a 'neo bastard', why do you think Sharia is good?
as a "neo Nazi" you should be aware that you have been the world parasite for a long time now.
I would be careful sounding righteous when the biggest war of all time was waged to put an end to nazi murderous goals.
name any horrible thing any group of any people Have done that has not been surpassed by nazis decades before?
I'll take sharia law over concentration camps any day.
better you people make it christian before the muslim parasites start to expand their population.
as long as all are represented sure. idk about other religions but we are told to be tolerant. so we would not make laws ( with outside help Incase of over excitement) that hurt others.
but definitely not establishing a state religion.
I agree with their intention of gov. not messing with what people believe and I agree with their idea that a gov. benefits from having our root ideas.
so you agree that there should be an absolute separation of church and state? this would make being a "Christian nation" completely impossible.
we are in agreement on this. I'm not saying we force everyone to be Christian. we should be tolerant. so ur rights wouldn't be taken away.
Making the US a Christian nation would be going against their will because it IS intruding on all religions.
depends. Thomas Jefferson says u can't have a gov. without religion. idk about the rest but the idea came from him so I would think his idea of it is how it's supposed to be interpreted right?
Neveralone, I read the entire article twice. I understand entirely. Yep they did accept some Christian views.
Yes, goverment should not intrude on religious freedoms. For whatever reason. That includes if someone chooses to be non religious.
exactly. and making a state religion is "messing with religion". it is expressly against their wishes.
they all did have a different look but still most came to a basic Christian outlook.
yes we should. we should also be ran by the people and their ideas. and for the majority their ideas are ran by their beleifs
I'm talking about when u can't find them. when u don't have the technology or know how what do u do?
it does need to be fixed first.
that line was actually to convince Mormons that they will not be prosecuted. they meant that gov. can't mess with religion.
Neveralone, I was able to open the article after trying again. Exacy! Your source supports my claim.
They were NOT all Christians and they did not have a christian agenda. I know they were religious, however, they were not all Christians.
The founders believed in religious liberty. So, we should keep religious liberty and keep church separated from state.
The first amendment is a blessing and we should abide by it.
No, Neveralone, you do not make up beliefs when there are no facts. You search for facts and when you find them you KNOW. If you dont find the facts then you DO NOT know.
We cannot base our government on a religion that is often misinterpreted and misunderstood.
We should maintain separation of church and state.
basically it's says how most of the founders had some kind of faith.
facts are garenteed things. so what happens when u can't find the facts? when u have no facts to go by? u have to make a beleif. some will go agaisnt ur belief. others will stand with u. either way beleif is more binding than fact. so no fact does not beat beleif in this.
his sources are working fine.
Also your source wont open
Neveralone you know what beats beliefs.
FACTS. facts are more reliable than beliefs.
the majority were definitely known Christians as well.
but it's not.
it's something that binds us. a belief in something is stronger than a disbelief. people fight harder for what they believe is true than what they think might not be true.
I can agree that the only thing atheists have in common is their disbelief.
However, I came to argue that our forefathers were NOT christians and they did not have a christian agenda. We cant just throw out the constitution because there are other deluaional people with strong beliefs.
If I'm not mistaken it was actually mentioned by one of the forefathers that the government should be ABSENT of religion altogether.
We have not proven nor disproven. This makes it neither true or untrue. So far though, there is a lack of evidence to prove there is a God.
I could easily say that Christianity is a cult. and the only thing that its people share is a perfect delusion. Delusional is not a good quality Nemiroff.
The only think that Christians have in common is their religion. So...?
I know some that don't have any of that. the only thing atheist are garenteed to have in common is a disbelief in God
not all atheists have critical thinking or skepticism. many just believe in science without any understanding because they were told so, no different that religious people.
same goes for religious. some are closed minded fanatics, others review their views regularly and adapt factual findings. God works thru evolution. God created the universe in the big bang and molded it using the fundamental forces. we have yet to disprove God and we likely never will. the only thing that is illogical is a literal reading of an outdated text.
the only thing all atheists share is a lack of faith in god.
Nemiroff atheism is not a negative quality. And atheists do have plenty in common.
1. Critical thinking,
yeah it's a bit like saying we need to have someone who doesn't own a dog in the government. that isn't actually a way to group people.
I considered that. maybe the regular parties?
agreed. although you seem to be suggesting atheism is a singular group.
a negative quality does not make a group. they have to share an actual thing in common, not a lack of a thing.
thats why no one group would have full control. I would definitely have atheist in the gov. as well so that u can say wait we need to think about group b who will be harmed in this.
what's being lost here is that the intended teachings are irrelevant. people are different, with different perspectives, interpretations, and even definitions.
for example the definition of love. during the inquisition, witch hunts, and colonial periods, bringing savages to jesus was seen as the greatest acts of love, even through force and torture. the body may be broken, the men may all be dead, but at least the soul has found salvation was the reasoning. people think like that til this day. thereal is an excellent example.
the issue with a religious society is not the teachings, but the passion, fervor, and fanaticism that religions inspire.
the US should do what its good for americans. If forefathers wanted US to become a christian nation then it should be.
our ideals that we are told to have say we have to be tolerant. either way for this to work u got to go from the ground up
Christians do discriminate against minorities. Look at the attacks on people wearing Muslim garb. Canada is typically looked at as more accepting of minorities, but look at their last election and the conversations about the hijab. Christians ate just as tolerant and intolerant as any other group.
Christianity is a very good religion. They dont hate the minorities. But the minorities might not understand their love. So riots and civil war might arise.
I agree on not having religion. religion is messy and disastrous. but having faith is different. I'm more talking about a hypothetical country actually ran by the roots Jesus gave instead of people relying on what man tells them he said.
if you can find any example of a Christian nation that was always kind to minorities then maybe I would agree with you.
but for an example of how that has never existed, France was a Christian country from its very founding. they liked attacking minorities, burning "heretics" etc. to this day there is a French village named death to Jews.
nations should not have religions.
that would be because they don't know what would happen to them. it would actually help. we are taught to love all and accept them for who they are. that means they won't be attacked by us. then were told to help the needy.
a christian nation is a great idea but the only problem are the minorities. They would protest or may even turn it up into a civil war. I dont want that to happen. Overall still its a good idea to become a christian nation.
Are you referring to taking down plaques with biblical quotes outside courthouses? If not, I'm not sure what you mean.
then he took down parts of our gov. buildings because they have religious ties.
he said we were no longer a Christian nation to start.
what exactly did Obama do to make America more or less christian?
not since Obama but before I would agree
It already is.
well we would still accept everyone if we are talking about the grass roots first we need to talk to our top which has lost sight but overall it would be good
Cons and Pros please make arguments.
1) Bible would be the constitution
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