The debate "Should vaccination against measles mumps and rubella be mandatory for children" was started by
July 10, 2015, 10:03 pm.
58 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 7 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
historybuff posted 1 argument, PsychDave posted 8 arguments, I_Voyager posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
Turtle posted 1 argument, AstroSpace posted 7 arguments to the disagreers part.
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Sick and dying people are rarely given vaccines. Healthy people are given vaccines to keep them from getting sick and dying.
The "official Barack Obama" website is a bit vague. Do you mean the government records? Because those show a drastic decrease in infant and child mortality since vaccination became widespread. Did you mean government research? Because that shows that vaccines are safe. Were you aware that, contrary to making money off of sick people, the government actually has to pay money for the health care system?
If the only argument you have heard is that you need to check your sources it means two things. First is that you have made inaccurate, misleading and outright false claims, and I have explained these as they occurred. Second is that you are choosing not to listen to anything but yourself, as I have made numerous counterarguments, for which you repeatedly called me a Nazi.
The only argument I've heard from you is "could you show your sources."
You can go check the official Barack Obama website for those sources. Remember, the government has your health and best interest jn mind. You do know that the government profits off of sick and dying people who get vaccines, don't you?
Again with the inflammatory comments about Nazis. Can you not debate the topic with logic and reasoned arguments rather than rhetoric?
If you are young enough that you are yet to receive you 1 year vaccinations, I am more impressed with your vocabulary and typing ability than anything else. If you are more that 1 year old, no one is trying to force you to get vaccinated. Flu shots still are not being debated.
Beyond that, how many children died of vaccination this year? With our current population, I would wager it is less than the annual deaths prevented by vaccination (easily checked by looking at how many children died of measles, mumps and rubella annually before vaccination or by looking at countries without vaccination currently, your choice).
Darwins theory of evolution. Your mothers illness gives her the right to kill me with a vaccine? Your mother is at fault for her medical condition, not me. This isn't Nazi Germany.
And flu vaccines are beyond the scope of the debate. This is purely about the MMR vaccine. Kindly keep in mind what is being debated when making strawman arguments referencing the Nazis.
My mother is on immune suppressants. Does your paranoia give you the right to kill her when you spread disease?
HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU....If vaccines are so safe, why don't you get vaccinated and not worry about infringing on medical choice like Adolf Hitler? If you're safe, who cares? If someone is so scared of getting the flu, they can go get vaccinated. I won't get vaccinated, so I take that risk. Those who do get vaccinated take a much larger risk. So, why make them mandatory? Vaccines make you an immune superhuman, right?
Could you provide any studies to support that direct link to autism that do not cite the Wakefield study for which he lost his license to practice?
I am aware you were citing the 2011 vaccinations, but you are unequivocally wrong. Look into your claims somewhere other than Natural News (preferably somewhere reputable and/or peer reviewed).
A single Internet search shows lots of claims, but an amazing lack of evidence beyond rhetoric. Research has shown, for many years, that vaccines are safe. There are potential side effects, and possible allergic reactions, but they are far better than the many deaths that the diseases they prevent. Open your mind to the possibility that the vast majority of scientists who have dedicated their lives to this research might just know more about it than you or I.
You may want to do the fact checking yourself. The bill gates case occurred in 2011 cause 47,500 cases of polio. I find it interesting how you believe pumping your body with mercury and aluminum is good for you. All it takes is a single Internet search and you will see the facts. Also, Bill Gates obviously isn't talking about birth rates. He just mentioned the world population before talking about vaccines. No where did he mention babies being born or whatever you tried to explain it away as. And yes, I am very aware if the types of mercury. Vaccines have been directly linked to autism, death, and neurological issues.
You didn't hurt my feelings, you just made unsubstantiated claims, which is poor form for debating.
First I will look at the main ingredient you seem to be taking exception to, mercury. We're you aware that there are different forms of mercury based on composition? The differences make it either toxic, or not. Think of the difference between beer and antifreeze. Both are alcohol but the difference in nomads makes one a beverage and the other a poison.
As to your argument about paralysed children, you may want to do some fact checking on reputable websites. The CDC reported no cases of polio in India since 2011 compared to 741 in 2009. The paralysis cases were found to be acute flaccid paralysis.
You also may want to be careful when taking quotes our of context since in this digital age it is easy too research them. What Bill Gates said is that the birth rate naturally drops as children stop dying young from preventable diseases.
I didn't mean to hurt PsychDave's feelings, but I will back up my "opinion" as requested. To begin with, everyone does understand that vaccines do contain preservatives to help them last longer, including mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, thimerosal, antibiotics, etc etc. Fun fact: mercury and just about every ingredient listed is deadly if consumed by a human being. Mercury destroys neurons in the brain, and can cause poisoning if touched or ingested. You can expect around 25 micrograms (or well over that) of mercury in a vacconation. receiving 12 flu shots, you would be exposed to dangerous amounts, just as newborns have been. How healthy can introducing harmful chemicals into your body be? These mentioned chemicals are known to cause emotional, physical, and nervous system problems, essentially, making you dumber. Why would the Media be so quick to enforce vaccines? To dumb down the population. Still don't believe me? Bill Gates went to India, administered polio vaccines, resulting in 47,500 cases of paralysis! Vaccines are still good? Here's a quote from Bill Gates himself, from a TedTalk: "First, we?ve got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That?s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent, but there we see an increase of about 1.3." DEPOPULATION. Just let that sink in...
I require evidence for the claim as well. I agree there are institutions which are designed or even used to dumb the masses down... Doritos, institutionalized alcohol, pop music, the prominence of salty/fatty foods, false political dichotomy, computer illiteracy, passing on philosophy in elementary school. And nanobots are coming. Why do they need to waste time with developing powerful mind altering drugs which are so bad at dumbing the population down no one of note finds a connection between the vaccines and mass dumbening? Unless you got great evidence to the contrary.
Could you back up your insulting and inflammatory opinion with some evidence or something resembling an argument that is suitable for a debate?
I was stunned at the amount of people that agreed. Like a bunch of Nazis, ready to destroy medical choice and infringe in everyone's health. Vaccines are a artificial means of dumbing down the sheeple.
Freedom to choose whether or not to be a time-bomb does not supersede the right those who cannot be vaccinated due to medial reasons have to be safe of infection in public. Furthermore, those who get infected due to willingness not to be vaccinated burden healthcare systems and society in general.
Freedom is good, but it is not ethically perfect.
The problem is that those advocating vaccination tend to limit themselves to the truth, while those opposed are often dishonest, wither intentionally or not, about the risks of vaccination. The most common misconception is of a link between vaccination and autism, which has been repeatedly shown to not exist but is still cited as a reason to avoid vaccination.
Herd immunity relies on the majority of the population being vaccinated to protect those who for medical reasons are not able to be, like newborns. The more people choose not to vaccinate, the more risk that an infection will spread. Recently there have been outbreaks of diseases that had been eliminated in North America because people are choosing not to vaccinate their children. Look at the Disney World measles outbreak, or the measles outbreak in Montreal. There are several other examples of preventable, serious diseases spreading because people choose not to vaccinate.
CBC did an article about some of the myths surrounding vaccination.
Although these diseases are deadly it will be taking away peoples freedom to make their own choices for themselves and/or their family. By making vaccines mandatory it could go completely against someones beliefs, removing their choices. There are alternatve ways to convincing people to take these vaccines such as public service advertisements that target a range of audiences. convincing and persuading people that these vaccines are worth taking. Moreover, majority of the eligable and who have access to these vaccines take the vaccines.
Any disease that can be fatal should require a vaccine.