Should we keep and expand on Obamacare

December 29, 2016, 3:07 pm

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The debate "Should we keep and expand on Obamacare" was started by JunioRodgers on December 29, 2016, 3:07 pm. 12 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 10 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

JunioRodgers posted 7 arguments, PoliticsAsUsual posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 4 arguments to the disagreers part.

PoliticsAsUsual, JunioRodgers, harshita, historybuff, Rajat, WolfiesMom and 6 visitors agree.
neveralone, XenoBoy, LeftoverEye70, Frank and 6 visitors disagree.

PoliticsAsUsual
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everyone was saying when? right before they went up? why would the insurers underprice their service and lose money if they knew it would be too low from the beginning?!? that makes no sense.

they underestimated the sign up of healthy people and now adjust.

my question to you is, why do you keep comparing Obama care to Obama care and continuously IGNORE the comparison to before Obamacare?

even ignoring subsidies, the full price plans are cheaper then they were in 2013.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2016/07/29/health-premiums-after-obamacare-theyre-lower/

add in the preexisting conditions clause which even trump said is a great feature, and the fact that our workers can see a doctor and not just get sicker and sicker until they end up in the emergency room increasing productivity.

and since these people had no insurance, guess who got stuck with the bill? your looking at the cost while ignoring the savings. you can't stop doing the math half way through the equation.

2 years, 5 months ago
neveralone
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we were based on Christianity. but Obama has been trying to destroy that American idea since he got into office. but I don't blame him. he tells the world what they want to hear and that's what they want. because we arnt doing our jobs.

2 years, 5 months ago
JunioRodgers
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Uh yeah. I have a pre existing condition. I had a job and was paying taxes. But then I got sick. If the doctors help me feel better then I can go back to work. All other developed countries have found a way to make give healthcare to everyone.

2 years, 5 months ago
neveralone
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we were based on Christianity. but Obama has been trying to destroy that American idea since he got into office. but I don't blame him. he tells the world what they want to hear and that's what they want. because we arnt doing our jobs.

2 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Furthermore, we would most likely implode our healthcare system (which i believe was by design).

2 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Are you willing to take a massive chunk out of income to do so and allow others the fruit of your labor.

2 years, 5 months ago

Many states refused to expand Medicaid. So if you are poor, sick, and can't work, you are screwed. I don't understand why we want to lower taxes that fund many social programs. Even if you don't agree with Medicare for all, go ahead and approve it. raise our taxes later. We need to work together and take care of each other like all the other developed countries do.

2 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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The ACA was designed to expand medicaid

2 years, 5 months ago

@neveralone-just curious, how would your start over. What would you do that is not expanding on Obamacare?

2 years, 5 months ago
JunioRodgers
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It's Congress's fault because they should have made the penalty higher for not having insurance. The penalty was not to punish you, it was to encourage you to buy insurance. Doing so would keep prices down.
Congress should not have gave states the option to deny Medicaid. They should have made that a requirement too.
We are talking about peoples health here.


Obama wanted single payer healthcare. Congress wanted the ACA. We should expand on it and become like all the other countries that offer healthcare as a right. We need to eliminate insurance companies and provide healthcare to every one as a basic right.We claimed to be this country founded on Christianity. If people are truly pro-life and want to go God's work, then we should be helping the poor and sick. To think otherwise, seems insensitive.

Some people will always be against universal healthcare until they get a disease that is not curable. Or a disease that will cost them more money than they have.

2 years, 5 months ago
neveralone
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how was Congress behind that? was it not Obama's idea? also since we both think it failed why would u throw more money into it instead of starting over?

2 years, 5 months ago

I believe Obamacare failed because of Congress. Obama wanted single payer but that would raise taxes and Congress didn't want that. So they worked together to come up with insurance being affordable for all. Let's say, $150/month. Everyone is required to purchase insurance and if you don't you pay a $250 fine. And will increase slightly years to follow.People decided to pay $250 then $150 twelve times. It was cheaper for them. Insurance was spending more on health than they were making because of the sick and insurance prices rose. Not just get marketplace. Employer insurance went up. The insurance companies had to make up their loss. If you ask me, Congress made it this so it would fail. It's not Obama's fault premiums went up, it's Congress's.

2 years, 5 months ago
neveralone
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how do when u said u only get blue Cross? if u only get that then they can do whatever they want unlike if they have competition.

2 years, 5 months ago
JunioRodgers
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Premiums rose because healthy people were not keeping insurance. they were choosing to pay the penalty. The new law required them to cover the sick and it was costing them too much so they raised prices. If everyone would have kept insurance then it would have covered the health costs for the sick. In every other developed country, people pay taxes and get healthcare as a right. So it's not like its not possible. With the law to cover everyone including the sick, insurance companies were losing money. Therefore many companies pulled out the marketplace. Now there is only Blue Cross Blue Shield. I know because I am on it. My state told us that our health is not important and denied medicaid. Even less money coming into the marketplace. As long as we treat our health as a product, we will lose.

2 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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So premiums rising 25 percent was the average trend of increase?

EVERYONE WAS SAYING THEY WOULD RAISE PREMIUMS. The entire time, arguments from the right were if you expand medicaid, the cost will be distributed to those without credits and sharing.

2 years, 5 months ago
PoliticsAsUsual
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premiums have been rising for decades. Obama got insurers to compete and they went down, the companies overestimated and are now adjusting. your acting as if Obama caused these problems when he actually eased them for the first time ever just because he didn't make them go away completely with magic. before this you either had a shrinking number of employers who gave insurance, had no insurance, or were rich. this is far better. and only your partisanship will keep you from seeing that.

it is too expensive, but that's not Obama's fault. it's because the health industry has had more lobbiests then regulations, and overcharge the US even compared to other developed European nations, while using our tax payer dollars to fund R&D they later use as an excuse for the overcharge. and for that I once again mostly blame the right. with their selective subsidies and deregulation.

2 years, 5 months ago
RogueAmerican
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What if somebody takes the fine instead of being insured? What if providers cannot keep up with medicaid expansion? What if premiums rise across the board?

2 years, 5 months ago

I think Obamacare is good and it should be made better. Obamacare gives a person access to healthcare if they can't get it elsewhere. they don't to worry about pre existing conditions. But they are ways to make it better.

2 years, 5 months ago
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