The debate "Stealing from the rich to give to the poor can be good" was started by
July 17, 2019, 11:41 pm.
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We give a portion of the value we create to our employee. That's fair because their capital facilitates our value creation. You can't run a profitable business without law enforcement, utility management, national security, the right of ownership, legal protections, fiat money, etc. Our society has built and enforces a legal and cultural framework that facilitates the value creation of an owner. So an owner of capital has the same right to what I produce as society does to what they produce. They take a portion from us, society takes a portion from them.
Look back 300 years ago. The richest people in the world needed armies to protect their wealth. Why has that changed? Because our legal and cultural framework protects them. It's not stealing for the governor of that framework to request payment.
Over the past 40 years, the portion of workers' wages being taken by employees has increased tremendously, but the portion taken from owners has gone done. Why is that fair? This is why the wealth divide is growing. What's fair is to have an owner pay the same portion as we do to them.
I agree if you are rich based on other peoples suffering like being greedy and dishonest . then steal it back and help the ones that need it.
Every person on the world should earn his money. There is no giving money, rich person just can give a work to poor, and poor person won't be poor anymore, because he have a job and he work and he earn his money.
There is no reason to use theft of violence. I think we just need a wealth tax. A regular tax on your total wealth would work wonders. People who are actually competent and make money would continue to make money. The only people who might see their standard of living fall are idiots who are only rich because their family handed them money. So the benefits would be
1) more tax revenue to support social spending
2) force rich people to actually use their money which would grow the economy.
3) reduce the influence of useless "old money" families who have way, way too much influence solely because their fore bearers made alot of money.
If the rich don't have enough Compassion, and Empathy to help out and give to the poor, to they should be stolen from or beat down.
whether that money is earned is an important question in a society that considers itself a meritocracy. however, even if that money is earned. if the disparity is too great and the poor are not in a stable position en mass, and the government is not doing anything to address it... people need to eat.
as long as the wealthy are not being harmed, or excessively robbed, any form of redistribution is warranted. it is possible for some people to be lazy, but if it is a large portion of a population, it is not an individual problem but a systemic one.
It's also worth keeping in mind that the vast majority of rich people alive today started their lives rich. For example Donald Trump was millionaire by the time he was 8. He received over $413 million (adjusted for inflation) from his father's company over his lifetime. In the modern world there are definitely some self made rich people, but mostly it is just the rich getting richer generation after generation.
Now all that being said, I don't believe theft is usually justified. Taxes on the other hand, that is definitely justified.
I think that it is good to steal from an unfair monarchy like Robin Hood did, sure. But, if someone got rich because they were smart then it's just unfair