The debate "Students should not be required to attend school" was started by
July 26, 2015, 5:15 pm.
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That was exactly my point. Parents who are following the curriculum should absolutely be able to home school their children. As long as they are following a curriculum and the child is learning I see absolutely no reason they should face any problems.
I do understand how homeschooling works, which is why I qualified my answer about there being valid reasons to refuse parents desire to do so. There are parents who would refuse to allow their child to be tested for progress at the end of each year, which would prompt the government to start harassing them. This system is in place to protect the child. Even the most well intentioned parent could struggle to educate their child if they lack the skills or resources, which would make the child suffer.
Obviously none of you guys know how homeschooling works. Every year after the child has finished a year of homeschooling, they have to take test to show that they have done school and have progressed from the previous year. The only reason why the government keeps harassing people who do homeschool, is because they can't control what they learn. But the parents cannot completely control what they learn either. The decision that the parent makes on what the child learns, is what curriculum is used to teach the child. Which there are many, but I have not seen any that teach kids that the world is flat. (But they do teach that some people thought it was flat)
You do not have to homeschool your child to teach them that the government is evil and that killing police is ok. Any parent can do that whether they are home schooled, public schooled, or private schooled.
I do think that they should not be harassed because they chose homeschooling though.
I would say it depends on the reason they were denied the right to home school their children. If it was for valid reasons, then yes, they certainly should have been denied. If they were teaching that the world is flat, or that the government is evil and killing police is acceptable, then they should not be allowed to be their children's only source of knowledge. I recognize that it would likely have been something far less extreme, but there must be rules and guidelines in place to ensure that the children do not suffer for the rest of their lives.
I was a bit confused as what the topic meant as well, but with that clarification I completely agree that parents should be legally obligated to give their children some sort of schooling.
moreover, I agree that what is being taught in homeschooling must be regulated in some fashion, and particular parents should be denied the right to home school their children for what seems to me to be obvious reasons.
A lot of conspiracy and religious nuts would keep their kids out of public school, keep them at home, and shove crazy thoughts into their kid's heads. This is one of the few situations I would prefer regulation over personal freedom because the parents aren't the ones being affected by their own decision.
sorry I haven't been on to clear everything up. the objective however was clearly stated. it is actually illegal for children not to attend some type of school in america and some parents have been denied their right to home school for various reasons. My question is do you think that those people should be allowed to withdraw their children from public schooling without being harassed by the government.
I am not for certain on what the intention of the topic was. I went off of what I read. Because it said that students should not be required to ATTEND school. I figured that means that kids should not go to a public school. It could also be interpreted college wise since it says that STUDENTS should not be required to attend school, meaning that they are already enrolled in a school but should not be required to attend the classes and things like that. Which can easily be solved by online classes. There are probably more ways that you can interpret it but those are the two big ways that I see you can. So it just depends on what thatdebatechick meant. she/he (you never know) did say that kids should not be required to go to school at a specific age, which I can agree with because some kids, like my brother, just arn't ready for school when the other kids are.
That I agree with. Public school could be optional, but education should remain mandatory.
Maybe not forced to go to school, but they should be required to have some sort of education. As we all know, most kids would choose to not go to school. Making our economy less intelligent as the generations come.
If that was the intention of the debate I apologize. I do agree that home schooling and private schooling are both good options assuming that the resources are available for the children to succeed (books are available and such). I interpreted the topic to mean that children of any age should be able to drop out, and the arguments regarding children who do not want to learn not benefiting from school reinforced that perception. I certainly agree that public education should not be mandatory, but some form of education should be.
There are many ways that you can look at this debate. I am going to look at it that you are saying kids should not be required to attend public school. If that is not how you intended then please let me know.
I do not go to a public school, have never gone to a public school, and never will go to a public school. With the amount of stupidity they are being taught in America, rewriting history, and openly letting kids have sex while there is awful. I have been home schooled my whole life. When I was in 8th grade I had beyond the knowledge of a 12th grader in public school. I am currently going into 10th grade, and already have some college classes out of the way.
Currently you are not required by law to attend a school in America, but if they every force everyone to attend public school and make home schooling and private schooling illegal I will leave this country.
When you are home schooled you are taught to think for yourself, you can teach yourself school if you have the material.
It makes the kids seek out friends. I have never had trouble making friends in my life. Yes, most of the time I had friends that I made at church, but I have also lived in an area where I was the only teenager at my church and I had to seek out friends and made about 15 around my neighborhood.
The government cannot control what home schoolers are taught. The government can however control what public schoolers are taught. That is the main reason why I love being home schooled.
I don't know if public schoolers are restricted in this category but there are many extra curricular activities that can be done. I have taken 3 computer coding classes and this next year I will be taking a handyman class in which I will be building many things, but the two I am most excited for is a outdoor shed with lighting plumbing and air conditioning, and I will be taking apart and putting back together a lawn mower.
So I don't think that kids should be forced to attend a school, but I do agree with Psychdave that if they don't have any schooling that will just make the country worse, so they should be required to have some schooling whether that is public, private, or home schooling.
They could not afford the free, state funded public schools?
once again your ability to make assumptions is just glorious (??) the reason these students came to america is because their parents couldn't afford it in Korea
I find it hard to believe that they had never been to a school before coming to America since schooling is mandatory until the end if middle school (around 12 years old) and education is a major part of Korean culture and a major predictor of future success. The top universities are fiercely completed for and getting in is a source if pride for families. Education doesn't need to be mandatory because social and cultural forces ensure attendance, which is why 97% of the population attain a secondary school diploma and 65% get some form of post secondary diploma.
I have to disagree with you here simply because you disagreed with yourself by saying that we only surpass turkey education wise but going to school is mandatory for us to be smart.
the truth is that most countries do not make school mandatory because the parents have to pay to send students to school but there are no economic problems because of this, in south Korea school is not mandatory and I have witnessed several people who had never been to school before coming to america (where it was mandatory) and they were still smarter than most of the American students who had been attending school since they were toddlers.
it is natural for human beings to learn as long as they are willing to learn just like you learn to walk,talk,and eat you to not need a teacher to teach you everything there is to know. kids in america spend more time at school than they do at the house with their parents, what the american school system is doing is taking these kids and raising them the way they want them to be raised instead of the way the parents want to raise their children. How is that beneficial to us?
well I'm surprised that you don't agree that the American public is dumb in general. As far as first world countries go, the US only surpasses Turkey in education
I would agree that you can't make a child learn, nor can you make the parents care about their child's education, that's why school needs reform, but removing mandatory schooling couldn't possibly make headway in the improvement of the education system, that's just absurd.
if you entered school ahead of your class after dropping out a few times you must know that you are the exception to the rule, because statistically that's not the case for most children.
Removing mandatory schooling WOULD make us a dumber country, make us a weaker country, and it would affect every aspect of our lives.
Both Steve Jobs and Ted Turner were well educated, including post secondary education. Enzo Ferrari I will acknowledge was successful without formal education, however he started as a race car driver, which does not require education to succeed at.
The point is that even if they do not learn much, it is better than nothing.
Kids that don't care about learning aren't going to learn.
I agree with you somewhat there, but as I said if these children refuse to learn anything what is the point of wasting your time and theirs. and I really wish that you'd drop the whole "if students don't go to school it causes problems" theory because all of these people: Steve jobs,ted turner, enzo Ferrari, ect. did not go to school and they happen to be millionaires
In that case the education system needs reforms, but to essentially give up on any child who doesn't want to go, or whose parents don't care enough to send, would make the societal problems worse.
I do not like standardized testing, and I disagree with passing children who are not able to demonstrate that they grasp the material. I think there needs to be changes made to the decision making process, but I do believe that letting kids drop out at any age would be a mistake and would cause far more problems than it would solve.
actually I really don't believe it should seeing as to how no matter what school or school district you attend they are all ran by the American government and are using the same no child left behind and common core strategies, we all take the same state administered tests, and we all use the same grading system unless you decide to go to a privately owned school which as you mentioned before many people can't afford just like they can't afford (or aren't educated enough for ??) homeschooling. the point is those kids would've been skipped up at any school.
That should have read "when they came to the public school I attended."
If you entered school ahead of your peers your mom must have done something right, and I apologize for my assumption. Can I ask (feel free to decline to answer if I am prying), how did she teach you? Does she read as a hobby? (my mother does and as a result all of my siblings and myself started school already reading) I am curious because I have several friends who were home schooled and all of them were behind in areas when they came to you public school I attended, though in different subjects.
They may not be seeing much benefit from school, but do you think those who do not want to learn and are illiterate would benefit from not being forced to go to school?
I'm quite flattered that you have taken it upon yourself to assume that I was raised in a house that involved two liable parents. Actually I was raised in a home that involved a single mother who had her first child at eighteen and dropped out of highschool to get her GED she also never finished college not to mention she never did good in school even in elementary so I don't believe that educated is the word. (thanks anyway though)
also due to the no child left behind program and common core, students who are not eligible have been bumped up to the next grade level anyway.
I was in AVID (advancement via individual determination) this year and there were kids who did not want to learn,refused to work, and were illiterate, if the American school system calls that advanced who needs it?
You must have fairly well educated parents for them to be able to teach you at home and have you enter school ahead of the curve. That is great, and in cases where the parents are capable, home schooling is a viable option. What about in cases where the parents are not educated? Do you think they would be able to teach their children every skill that they need?
You are certainly right that you cannot force a child to learn, but a professional teacher has a better chance of imparting knowledge than an uneducated parent, no matter how well intentioned and loving that parent may be.
I don't think the American population is dumb, and there certainly are parts of the education system that could use improvement, but if schooling ceased to be mandatory the first victims would likely be low income families. This would widen the gap between haves and have nots and cause even greater problems. Is there any developed nation in the world that does not make education mandatory?
I don't think that the american public is dumb I think that the american GOVERMENT is dumb just because you make it mandatory for students to travel to a school building and stay for eight hours does not mean that you can force them to learn. they should make it so that you are not obligated to attend school and the rest of the american public will not have to suffer from your choice not that staying out of school is a particularly bad idea from my experience just saying I happen to still be ahead of my class after dropping out more than a few times.
Homeschooling is also an idea. School honestly uses Common Core crap, just turning you into a brainwashed slave, as well as enforcing white guilt and liberal discrimination. Schooling is your choice, not the schools. You might as well go to prison.
the American public is dumb enough, not making school mandatory would be a disaster. We would have more people who are simply unable to function in society creating a burden for everyone else. school should be mandatory.
I was actually very shy for the longest so my parents thought I was autistic and my doctor told them it was best to keep me out of school until second grade And not only was I ahead of my class but I was the youngest in my grade and I know several other people who have been through similar situations so... your statistic really isn't accurate
Increasing illiteracy would not benefit society in any way.