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Remove the concept of Muslims being paid by a nonmuslim government to do their Muslim duty from your train of thought.
If nonmuslims have authority over when Muslims pray, those Muslims have lost the battle.
Nobody tells Muslims when to open and close the house of Allah unless they are paying them and threatening to fire them.
The scoundrels even dare pay people to clean it.
These are tremendous violations without people knowing it.
The duties inside the masjid have no monetary value.
We are talking about a place where nobody dares accept pay to hoist your dead body in the funeral processions.
you seem to be a muezzin from pakistan working in a islamic centre in chicago right?
an evil man is only allowed one evil wife.
there are so many reasons why two evil women never agree mutually upon an evil man.
They have a sense more keen than those who have gaydar.
Somehow the women know the good men and accept the marriage proposal.
That's why you only see godly men with happy wives and healthy biological children of their own.
The evil man is prohibited such physical manifestation in this world and the next.
Why the heck do you need four wives?
How so? How do you regulate the evilness of the wives? What makes you think they will listen to you?
You sick ill bastard..... What the f*** are you saying?
4 evil wives are never allowed to any evil man.
That's a catastrophic violation.
I would think no wives is worse than one. And 4 evil wives would be worse than 1.
I would also thing infidelity would be wrong no matter what since it is breaking a vow before God. That's why you suggesting people abandon their vows and commit sins makes no sense.
I said 4 wives because it's the maximum reward of women for good men.
The maximum reward for evil men is only one evil wife.
It's only natural that evil men are the ones who kill the wife because they don't deserve 4 happy women mutually consenting like the good men can have.
Yep, Muslim men all love and cherish their wives and you will never find reports of them killing, beating, or throwing acid in their faces.
Is there a reason you picked 4 wives? Are Muslims with only 2 wives somehow not Muslim? I'm just curious how deep you lack of knowledge of your own faith goes.
You are the liar who will never prove any Muslim man has ever killed his 4 wives.
I can easily prove that many nonmuslim kill the only wife they are limited to.
You just want to use liar as a shock word, but you can't back it up, and will only flee and change the subject so people don't realize you are using the word liar to hide yours.
Then you are either ignorant or a liar. Either way, your argument is false.
I am happy to stand by our excellent reputation. No Muslim man kills his four happy wives.
Only dissatisfied nonmuslims are the ones killing wives.
How many Muslims have killed their wives? Does that prove Muslims are all evil? No, of course not.
And approximately how many nonmuslim men in America have killed at least one wife?
The answer to that proves that I prescribed a far better solution to the problem of the lying adulterous wife than you did.
Nope, you are the only one who believes those to be the only options. The rest of us are capable of thought.
Until you form an actual argument, hour claims to be good at debate are transparent to everyone.
I don't advocate adultery. You on the other hand do.
That's because you only give options of killing the adulterous wife, or bowing and sniffing the backsides of the adulterous wife and the men who refuse all unmarried women.
You are just angry that I run circles around your adulterous wife and the men who hate unmarried women.
Of course I personally recommend a husband choose the army of unmarried women versus fighting the adulterous wife and the 10 men she brings to rob, steal, and pillage.
We know the story of O. J. Simpson already. I just heard that he had an adulterous wife who had sex in his bed, and gave away his money to men willing to have sex with her.
You are the criminal who doesn't know how to beat the adulterous wife so you advocate being one of the men committing adultery with married women because you hate all the unmarried ones.
And in case you have forgotten where you talk of rooms full of naked women,
"My argument is that the husband of a lying adulterous wife is at fault for refusing all the naked women in the booty shake joints who are not lying adulterers."
Endorsed doesn't mean commanded . it means you support and agree with it. Have you already forgotten that you asked me to quote you on this and I did?
"All the women in the room full of naked women are all eligible and unmarried, why shouldn't the good man have them instead of the lying adulterous wife?"
" If there are rooms full of naked eager and willing women available, why should a man be forced to waste his precious time and attention on a lying adulterous wife?"
"Why should any man pass the room full of completely nude women who are begging his presence?"
"unmarried women are not offlimits. Its the married women who are offlimits, you royal douche! "
All copied directly from your comments. All directly contradict Islam. You are a truly terrible ambassador for your faith since you are encouraging people to violate your own religious rules.
Prove I actually commanded any married men to commit fornication with the prostitute women!
The cast of love boat are actors. So is Bill Cosby. By the same logic you apply to police, that makes them all rapists. How can you support rapists? Or are you being a hypocrite when applying the crimes of a few police officers to the entire population?
On a related note, you endorsed married men having sex with prostitutes on other threads. How exactly do you square that with this comment?
If you want to avoid rape,robbery, and prostitution ;
never work as security for the whorehouses, especially so called legalized prostitution.
The cast of the Love boat having no murders or suicides to their credit are proof enough that choice of occupation is important to avoiding such a reputation here.
Again, that's your biased and uninformed opinion. That means nothing. Do you have any research, studies, or evidence to support your claim, or are you just talking out your ass?
I am not going to post those murders and suicides by cops for your gratification.
It happens to them because they don't see life outside of their employment. They are looking at the other humans here as their job instead of as neighbors. Reality is too much for them, and they are never able to resume the civilian life that every baby born here is granted.
And you base this evaluation of the psychological state of those you have never met on what?
There's a gleam in the eyes of those who refuse to have anything to do with life on Earth besides a free police uniform, and free gas in the tank of a free police car.
They are on their last leg, and if anyone kicks that leg, they are killing themselves.
that is right but how would you know the suicidal individuals from normal people it's related to there physiological condition and there history of the events they have been through
even a police has an illegal gun if he is doing crime with it. I will take it from him if necessary. You are dumb to label the gun itself illegal. When anybody is killing unarmed civilians, the gun is illegal for him or her, and anybody can take it to become the legal bearer of arms. You fail to account for all the recent criminal actions committed by those employed by police, but that's convenient for you to advocate privileged criminals with badges. Nobody who works as police announces that they are committing a crime unless they are stupid as well.
You're right that the only illegal guns are those owned by criminals. Of course, since if you have a gun you shouldn't you are a criminal, so it kind of goes without saying.
I am aware someone other than a police officer can protect someone from crime, and I am also aware that police aren't always around. I'm not sure how you think that's relevant to police suicide being a sign of corruption.
I am not advocating hiding in your home for fear of bad people. I am saying that your views on police being corrupt and criminals is simplistic at best.
The only illegal guns are used by criminals.
You have a flaw in fundamentals and obviously never been beaten or robbed with no cops around.
You play the game of only someone being employed as a police can rescue you from a mugger.
You might have to find out the hard way what happens when there are no people paid to be your personal security or body guards around. Sure you can hide in your home like cowards and weaklings, but there are men who are not like you and don't want free bodyguards.
If someone is illegally carrying a gun, it should be confiscated. There is a reason we have laws.
As to randomly committing crimes, you obviously have no concept of how police work.
nobody should be being paid to commit crimes against random people in hopes of discovering a crime secretly committed by the random person.
if a random person is carrying a gun without permission from police, he has the choice to surrender it, or participate in a shootout to try and keep the gun a little longer, before many police arrive to kill him and confiscate it.
So do you think the police shouldn't search for criminals?
I am all smiles to see the same sun as you.
I spend much time in Chicago where police claim someone has been robbed and they are searching for the perpetrators.
That's the wild west.
You have to appreciate the finest and most exotic guns ever made more than any hired henchman would love to displaying it after confiscating it from you.
Neither do police. They generally disarm people who break the law. At least in developed nations. Where do you live that police beat and Rob random people?
you won't weasel up that ineffective defense. Lawyers don't run around disarming random humans so they can be robbed, beaten, killed, or imprisoned.
Congratulations, you have given an example of an individual who killed himself when suspended. Do you think no one else kills themselves when they see their careers destroyed? Google search "lawyer kills himself" and you will get a series of articles about various lawyers who, when faced with losing their careers, killed themselves.
As to your conspiracy theory about police making some people vulnerable maliciously, you will need to do better than just claiming it is true.
Since you want to pretend, I will name one name.
Chief Mike De Nardo of Mississippi.
Inna Allahu inna Alayhi rajioon.
The game you are playing is that all people who get jobs as police are similar to the angels, and I am confused.
I'm not sure he even knows what he is talking about. he keeps bouncing all over the place.
are u talking about corrupt cops or all cops? because if all then u r wrong. also do u have evidence beyond just u saying it.
They have a job where they are getting away with disarming humans and leaving them vulnerable to robbers and thieves. They have a job in which they and their family members are allowed to do crime, never get arrested, or forced to walk around with a police record.
Many people spent their life as careeer circus employees. They don't kill themselves when told to do something else in life. Crooked cops kill themselves because they can't do evil or sadistic things to random strangers anymore, so they do something worse to their own self.
That is true. The problem with your argument is that lots of people identify by their careers, not just police. When they lose that career for whatever reason, it cam trigger depression and suicide. This isn't a problem exclusive to police, it is a problem of human nature.
You argument also doesn't make sense as you don't seem to be actually arguing against suicidal people so much as police who base their identity and self worth around their career, and the belief that they are corrupt.
My man you are far from being present when the next newborn baby is arriving.
Even if both parents are police employed ; you have the option to do something else with your alloted time.
Nobody is forced to die as an employee of police by the one granting you the ticket to see the Earth in the first place.
That wasn't even an attempt at an argument.
So far you have argued that there is a gleam in suicidal police eyes, that they refuse all interactions if they can't be police, that it's a con game, that the police benefit from their own suicide, and that police are selectively arresting people (or not) to control who has a record. That's a pretty odd group of arguments.
Could you try to put your central argument in a few sentences so we can have a starting point to work with?
Men with unsophisticated minds don't even survive long enough to figure out what's going on.
your arguments are all all over the place. it is way too much work trying to get you to make a coherent statement. someone else can give it a shot if they want.
being a television actor is not what makes one a good person. You have choices in what you want to be represented with.
Many of them are trapped in what will be a death sentence. The fact that you are seeing police die in police cars wearing the uniforms and no other human involved in the death has many occurrences.
You are seeing some athletes perform to death as well, but they are clearly in the wrong to abuse their body like that.
groups with members known for suicide and murder are very unfriendly.
In Chicago they were brazen enough to commit cold blooded murder in front of each other without fearing anyone would snitch them out. The video camera age is crushing a lot of criminal incentive to have the job but the gun ban is what's making it so enticing for the crooked humans.
The problem isn't gun violence. Its those who play the you can't have a gun game.
You don't fully comprehend the afterlife, but I tell you there are ranks there. The evil ones know the bounty placed on disarmament of others and confiscating their arms. Many people can't afford guns or tremble too much when actually shooting it. Those people are victimized by the gun laws as well because the main villains are only looking to attack people without guns.
Understand the logic of banning guns, but only for those who obey you. Not only are robbers and thieves still having guns anyway, you also have some police selling guns to people of their choice and even then still out seeking to disarm those wary of robbers and thieves.
how many television actors do you think kill people?
were you alive to witness the days when they were dominant due to the television monopoly. It was still sort of early for TV and I have watched many people be born and die, yet they remain as those associated with love instead of death and prisons. The fact that it was a T V show and not reality doesn't change the accomplishment of their surviving without killing the neighbors on the Earth.
that is a really strange reason to keep bringing it up.
wondering when you would pick up on that. I hated that show as a kid but now respect all the participants because they are still alive and have killed noone.
what is your obsession with the love boat?
cops that commit suicide don't fear him either. They fear us because people like me expose them. They aren't getting away from him by committing suicide and he has them pinned down on that side where he has their criminal record. It's too late for them to audition for the Love Boat at that point.
I don't fear mythological characters.
no forcing anybody to be a cop.
those cops who commit suicide are extremely dangerous and I am warning you even though you are not even worth warning.
Fear Allah more than any cop about to commit suicide.
I give up you just refuse to make any sense.
I am extremely pleased that they cannot force a draft on human beings to be police. They should have a draft for the Love Boat since nobody dies participating there.
The fact that criminals and KKK members become cops just to force people they hate to walk around with police records disturbs me more than the fact of how often they commit suicide. They have a way of labeling you as an enemy to people who haven't even been born yet, or even people you may never meet in life before committing suicide themselves because police records are tantamount to prayer books in USA. Lots of them have committed suicide but those they tag with police records before dying have to live with everyone else as an enemy based on records of a suicidal maniac.
I'm not sure why you can't understand what I'm saying. I don't think you should kill yourself after losing your job. I'm saying this is not something limited to police. if you want to have a discussion about human nature we can do that. but trying to limit it just to police and then criticizing them for it is pointless.
you are one of the many beings living here that convince some that life is not worth living if they are not employed as a police. You are only able to accomplish this by hiding all the other options for a human being and pretending that there are no wonderful alternatives like being the representative for Maserati or hosting a real life Love boat. Guy with jobs on the Love Boat haven't died since I been on the planet and that's since the 1970s, bub!
no one is sentenced to be a cop. this is what they want. they have devoted a large portion of their life to their vocation. when that is taken away it can trigger suicidal depression.
I don't hate the human race. but this is who we are. trying to say that it is somehow the fault of police officers for being human just makes you look petty.
seems like you are the one hating the human race. We weren't put here to die as cops. What a bleak and depressing fate you sentence men to. Some of us are forced to die as soldiers because of national defense and the draft, but nobody is forced to be a cop or die unless people like you trick them. I believe in the afterlife. There are more than enough crooks in the present life that one doesn't have to be a cop to find them. In fact many crooks become cops just to hide better in the presence life without realizing how ineffective that is in the next, where justice actually reigns.
why are you focusing solely on police? this is something that happens in lots of careers. why do you hate cops so much?
not just to get a job and kill yourself when you get fired.
you don't even appreciate the lives of those who have to live on the Earth with only one eye or only one leg. Most people don't care if they never get hired as a cop. The actual crooks of humanity are so ungrateful as to kill themselves if denied.
you're asking why would someone devote their life to achieving something? if you have to ask that question you likely will never understand.
if you spend years and years working towards your life goals and then that is taken away from you, depression is an understandable outcome. and this is only intensified in an occupation where it is extremely high stress. and having the risk of being killed while doing your job certainly increases stress.
There's the flaw. Why should any human spend their entire life attempting to fulfill extraordinary requirements for any position of employment?
And further more willing to die upon such a minor tribble!
There's no special authority required to be a good person.
Only the criminals would ask the man who uses the AED for identification after being revived.
you don't doctors, politicians, actors, judges etc might consider suicide if they were disgraced and going to lose everything?
I specifically said people who have worked their whole life towards something. someone cleaning up poop probably didn't spend their whole life working to get there. you are intentionally misrepresenting my argument.
it is being abused and exploited to the apex.
the zoo keeper who cleans the animal poo never kills himself when told he is fired and must choose a different occupation.
Giving a person a criminal record before you die is the dream of all those willing to kill themselves. The criminal record has weight with strangers so it is exploited by criminals with badges.
In truth the criminal record should only consist of living relatives and witnesses to the crime, but it has abused by those who refuse to live with being confronted by their own crimes.
this is true of many occupations. people have a tendency to judge their worth by their occupation. if you spend you life working for something and have it taken from you that can easily cause depression and suicide. this is not a cop thing. it is a human thing. so this whole topic makes no sense.
only people who refuse to have any interactions with the public unless they are a cop, and actually kill themselves if they can't be cops are corrupt.
You won't protect them by saying all because I know men who have success in life within the other opportunities available.
Be a cop or die is for punks only.
You seem to be saying cops are corrupt and, when cornered, kill themselves rather than expose the corruption. If 8 am misrepresenting your argument, please correct me.
no one is asking you to shut up about it. we are asking you to make sense. and so far you haven't been able to. until you can actually explain what the hell you're talking about I don't really see the point in this discussion.
I am not all over the place. On a daily basis I see desperate individuals with no way of surviving on the Earth except in a police car. That goes for the one who is the prisoner and the one who is actually the driver. That desperation of being prohibited from participating in other ways of life leads to more suicide and murder than you are aware of and most likely don't know about.
I do, so I won't just shut up about it.
so what are you actually trying to argue? you are all over the place.
is it that police are bad? is it politicians are bad? is it society is bad?
you need to be more specific about what you trying to debate.
if you look back at history to the inquisition days, the enforcers are quite different from those giving the orders on who is to be the victims.
I am not blaming the individuals who get the job without realizing who is writing their orders or why.
I am pointing out flaws in a system that makes saints only out of people for being employed by a particular group.
It's deceptive and those participating have committed suicide to further the scheme, and everyone pretends that they don't.
I am against naming the many participants because they are dead already. Their crimes are not ignored by me, nor are those who are still living and actively participating.
again, you aren't really making any sense. maybe he committed suicide because he knew he was guilty and going to prison.
if you want to debate you will have to be much more specific about what you are talking about and less conspiracy theory.
you don't want me to start dropping names here. The biggest con game currently being run in America is called 'no police record'
Certain people are never arrested and given the dreaded police record as a strategy,regardless of crimes theu commit. Police are the main benefactors of the game. One police chief in Mississippi killed himself and he was only being investigated and not even arrested. The game is like they are God almighty himself and being arrested symbolic of going to hell forever. Making the records and mouths of police into prayer books has the most decimating effect on society and sponsors hypocrisy amongst the extremely guilty but never arrested.
what are you talking about? I seriously doubt there are many people who will kill themselves if they can't be a cop.
That's a horrible con game. Your life is worthless unless you work for police is a terrible example to leave us. I have seen many examples in my lifetime. :(
only the ones who refuse all interactions unless they are employed as police. waiting until they kill themselves after getting fired is too late for them and those victimised before the suicide.
where did u get that idea? also most cops are probably sucidal just because what they see everyday.
There's a certain gleam in the eyes of one who wants nothing to do with society or anyone on the planet unless they have the job as police. Sadly some people are sure that life on Earth is meaningless unless you work as a police or military officer. They will kill themselves if told they have to go work in an ice-cream shop because that's not how they want to interact with the rest of humanity.
I doubt they are suicidal when they become police. They become so due to the stress and PTSD.