The debate "Sunday school is a way of forcing a religion on a kid who doesn't know any better" was started by
October 29, 2015, 6:09 pm.
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How many children under the age of 10 are going to have an opinion about religion. Most see it as boring and a burden. I'll speak about Christianity because that's where my experience is. Parents sometimes allow their young children to bring books to read during a service haha children don't typically have an opinion about religion except that it's boring because they don't understand it. What's more, most children, until about the age of 10, do not even have the will or confidence to effectively challenge their parents in such a way. They assume their parents are right about everything, that is a psychological tendency of children. So they follow along.
Here's a scenario, again I will default to Christianity... Pretend Sunday school ceased to exist. What would it really change? Parents would still bring the children to church each week. Is bringing children to church, then, the same as making them attend Sunday school? After all, they still are not experiencing other religions.
To acknowledge the religious education you mentioned, I agree. But I think that needs to be pursued individually by the person who wants the education, and that at younger ages it does not matter at all. Again, most younger children do not care about their religion much. They don't understand it, they just do what their parents say is correct. If their parents weren't there to direct them, they'd sit and do nothing, and parents can certainly not be expected to educate them on something that they think is wrong.
If people wanted to exercise their "natural right to have an opinion", then they will. When? Whenever they actually can. In Christianity, the sacrament of Confirmation is the final step to becoming a full-fledged member of the church, part of a three-step initiation process. This happens, for most Christians, when they are about 13 or 14. At that point, I would say that children can typically decide whether or not they actually believe the teachings.
What I think would be beneficial in the way of religious education is a class for people to help them better understand the most common religions. A year ago, my junior year of high school, I took an amazing religions class at my school. This kind of education, that encourages children to think critically about religions, is what they need to understand the role of religion in society and in their lives, regardless of what they really believe.
People do have the ability to make the final decision, but not the education on other religion. If they go to Sunday School they are taught one religion and know nothing about others. Most learning happens when you're a child so all religion should be taught and in an unbiased way.
Children should learn about their culture, but not be told that their culture's beliefs are true because that is the child's decision.
Sunday School is harmful by taking away a child's natural right to have an opinion
And while you may see it as a waste of time, that isn't going to change the fact that parents who send their kids to Sunday school see a reason for it.
I will not totally disagree with you when you say it is a way of forcing a religion onto a child. But the child can change religions when he is older and educated and able to make that decision. That happens all the time. I can share two examples. I come from a family that places a lot of trust in God, remember I am Christian. Any time I text, I can expect a message like "Love you, I am praying for you" haha. My family goes to church every week. Despite all this, my younger sister decided she didn't believe in God anymore, before she was even 15. Another instance of religion change comes from my religions teacher. His mother was a heavy, heavy catholic. The church she attended did their masses in Latin still. When he moved out, he decided he didn't believe it all. And that was that. People have the ability to make the final decision as to whether or not they want to follow the religion they have been raised in.
What I mostly strongly agree with you on, however, is that an education approach would be helpful. But elaborate that for me please, because what comes to mind is that school is educational, no matter what subject is being taught. So what do you mean a more educational approach? Because I do like that idea
I assumed we were talking about an abrahamic religion, since those are the religions that seem to emphasize Sunday. I am also Christian, and that is what I know a lot about. But don't think I am uneducated and biased towards Christianity, I am a very open person :p Let me accomodate you, I will talk about Hinduism. Hinduism is a religion, but more than that it is a culture. It can effectively be argued that all religions are "cultures", but what makes Hinduism different is how incorporated it is into the society which it comes from. Hinduism has a hierarchy. At each level, there are different ways to reach Moksha, which is kind of the equivalent to the Christian heaven: it is the unity with the Superior One. I will present a clear example. A king is allowed to accumulate more wealth than a person of a lower class. There is literally "moral wealth" based on what class you fall under. "Artha" is the word for this.
If these kids are not educated in their culture, what will happen? Will it collapse? If so, is that a good thing?
Now I will address the rest of what ya said... Your example is invalid. If a parent gives a child a cigarette because the parent thinks that is good for them, first off, that person is not fit to be a parent :p Also notice that I said "Good parents" this means that I am just defaulting to people who are fit to look over a child and make healthy decisions on how to raise the child. If the parent would give them a cigarette, well that's why there's laws against that. I guess my question to move the discussion on from there would be, how is putting a child in Sunday school harming them? I recognize that parents are not always correct in what they think is best, but I guess what I am not understanding is what harm a decision like putting them in Sunday school is doing to the kid.
Despite my constant disagreement with what you have said, I think that you have finally brought something to the table that I CAN agree with. Parents do have separate opinions than their children. Typically, it is the parent's decision that will win out over the child's. When you say it wastes time, I think that is an easy thing to say when you are against the idea, and I recognize that it is easy for me, who sees no problem with the idea, to say it doesn't waste time. But when we consider both of our statements, which one actually matters to the parent who is making the decision? Neither of them do. A parent does it because they see a use for it.
Also if you teach a child early, think about the time your wasting that could be used for studying productive things for actual school.
First off, your assumption that this is about Christion Sunday School annoys me. Sunday School could be for any religion.
Aside from that, you say a parent should do what they think is best for their child. So basically, if we apply this idea, parents might think cigarettes are healthy and give them to their children. You have to understand what a parent thinks best is not always best.
A parent has a separate opinion from their child. Sending your kid to a special school to learn everything there is about a specific religion and nothing else both wastes time and forces that religion onto that child. But allowing a more educational approach would let this child choose on his or her own. Of course this process would have to be unbiased.
I disagree with you @omactivate. When a parent makes their child attend Sunday school, it is because that is what they pledged to do, and that is what they want for their child. I'll talk specifically about Christianity, since that appears to be your target. When a child is first baptized in the church, both parents and godparents vow to guide the child down his spiritual path. This includes maintaining a strong relationship with the child, bringing him to church, and helping him learn about the faith he is being brought up in.
Your question might become "Why are they being raised to believe in something that is so obviously wrong?" The answer is simple. Good parents, religious or not, do what they feel is best for their child. If they feel that raising the child to be Christian is the right thing, then so be it. In that situation, who would not want their child to attend Sunday school, given the chance? I am supported by the fact that, as children change to adults and inevitably realize that their decision can be made by themselves, they will choose what they think is right, and that should not matter to anybody else. Many people change, many more probably stick with what they know best. In the end, it does no harm.
Sunday School is not only a way forcing religion on someone, but a way of making a child submit because they were told to and don't know any better.
all religious instructions is an attempt to indoctrinate children into your religion, group or cult. they would see it as teaching, not indoctrination, but it is the same thing.