The debate "Thank you Trump for banning trans people from the military" was started by
July 26, 2017, 11:58 am.
By the way, ThePhilosopher is disagreeing with this statement.
17 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 24 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
ThePhilosopher posted 7 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 2 arguments, ThePhilosopher posted 3 arguments, RachelDickmire posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
The_Nerds_Of_The_Internet, ReeseO, fodfreddy8 and 14 visitors agree.
ThePhilosopher, KCave05, RachelDickmire, alexlooker, Cotton, cr7, mirah_luv and 17 visitors disagree.
It is my opinion that if a transgender person would like to suffer for our country, they should be allowed.
Men and women can both enlist in the army, so why not allow a human with the qualities of both man and woman? Men are naturally stronger and faster, but women have better judgement. It is possible that the qualities of both man and woman could be mixed into one "superhuman." Born with a woman's judgement, but altered chemically to match a man's strength... well, that just sounds logical, no?
I will say, MrShine makes an excellent argument against allowing transgenders to enlist, therefore I believe a psychological evaluation should be manadatory beforehand (I believe it already is, anyway).
I also want to know where your morals are. i dont know about you, but us "liberals" as you call us, are trying to make a better world. We want people to be who they want to be, and still be accepted. I dont know how, but somehow your thinking process is from 1950. Maybe put your self in their shoes, and think how they think for once. They can be who they want to be, but are denied privileges, and that just isnt fair. And hey... If you want to see a monstrosity, look in the mirror.
2 things. 1 you are being very arrogant. 2 you say that you should be killed for having a different opinion( to mock us), and then you call people with different believes ans opinions a monstrosity. So congrats. you are an arrogant hypocrite
well we know for sure that transgenderism is not natural for humans
Your cursing is hysterical by the way, try reading a dictionary. I watched the movie "Malcolm X" the other day and in there when Malcolm asks why Banes doesnt curse, he responds with "a man curses because he doesnt have the words to say whats on his mind". Read a dictionary.
Yes, Im a bigoted, hateful, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, intolerant fascist that deserves to be killed for having an opinion different to that of yours. Go on, il Duce, send your blackshirts to deal justice!
Smh if you want me to take you seriously you have to approach with a more intelligent mind. Challenge me at least. If I want to talk to an unlettered joke I could just go on Omegle, so I dont need you being one here.
Hmm...calling something an outdated cultural stereotype even though most of the world believes it today because they are normal human beings...are you alright fella?
Im not judging...I mean if you have a thing for such monstrosities, feel free but dont impose your perverted views on others.
anyone who calls people abominations is not a philosopher, they're a bigot. calling yourself one does not make it so.
my apologies in assuming your bigotry was based on Christianity. what wildly outdated cultural stereotypes are driving your bigotry?
and lastly if you aren't looking to debate then you are in the wrong place. if all you want is to tell thank the President for being a lying bigoted ****** then try a message board.
It just shows that you have little to no knowledge abouta the matter in which you are discussing. we can start with the fact that Im not a Christian. So I dont know what "2000 year old cultural stereotypes" you are talking about. Secondly, you just proved that you lack the ability of critical thinking, seeing as majority of the world sees transgenders as an abomination but for some strange reason you believe that your moral standards are better than the majority of countries. Please, have some shame. You come from a culture where rapists are put into prison for 6 months. That is a result of liberalism. You believe there is a wage gap, though it has been disproven a million times over. Changing ones body parts in such a way is among the greatest of abominations, second only to making ones self look like an animal. If you dont accept such a thing as an abomination, then what WILL you accept as an abomination? Where are your moral standards, liberal? Please sit down, I am a philosopher (hence the name) so if you want to discuss such issues with me, you must approach with a greater skill set than that which you possess. Not that I dont want to debate these things, but quite clearly this is not the thread for it. Understand?
you are on a debating app. if you are looking for a forum to just praise the president you are in the wrong place.
and I understand the word abomination just fine. it means you do not have the ability to look past your 2,000 year old cultural stereotypes. you're praising a man for telling the American people he was ally of the LGBT community and then proving he is a lying scum bag.
Also it says something about both me and the said abomination. It says that I am a normal human being and not a cult-follower such as you are, and it also says that the said abomination has had something vile done to themselves. Its not exactly a lot but its something I guess. Unless you are a mind reader, which you clearly are not since you dont possess a lot in there regarding said matter.
Like I said, its not a debate so I dont have to make any argument at all. You cant debate whether I am grateful to Trump for imposing the ban or not because I have already stated that which is in my conscience regarding the matter and in such a situation, it is a close to proof as you can get.
Like I said, its not a debate that i should have to "argue" anything. The title doesnt say "Transgenders are abominations" (though they are) that i should have to defend it or argue the point. At least comprehend the situatin first, guys.
Historybuff, well your opinion that somebody who uses a word that you dont understand is not worth debating is irrelevant. Youre free to go and talk to more simple people whose claims you can understand if you wish. There is no compulsion.
pretty well anyone who uses the word abomination in a debate is probably not worth debating. you clearly are basing your opinion on social norms on your religion and no argument based in facts or reason will change that. referring to another human being as an abomination says alot more about you than it does them.
Wouldn't it make sense to make an argument and celebrate with like minded individuals?
I do not see transgendered individuals as abominations. I don't care what a person wants to call themselves and if they can live a fine lifestyle more power to them. So, here's an argument you could have made...
Transgender suicides are high, among pre and post surgery alike. Any group that has a normal chance of suicide leaves the army changed. In short, Transgenders during a draft or by volunteering will soon either be harmed in battle or kill themselves, allowing for a severe decline in their demographics.
Soldiers will want to work with units that survive, and the best chances are in all male units. In surveys of mixed, all female, etc. response times for a task were much lower, and direction in groups were much clearer. This would suggest that men only units preform better. But what if a born woman transgender man enters the picture? Their biology still retains the imperfections of a mixed unit, transition surgery can be damaging from cosmetics to steroids... in short, a lot can go wrong and there are no guidelines that can encourage better than our men born men out there right now.
And if not for further damaging a mentally tormented demographic or the biology half of the conversation, what of the expectations in place right now? Training is ruthless, breaking down each person until their "identity" is a moveable piece for war. Identifying as a women won't change the fact that a male biology will place them in a male unit, which then is another piece of identity that needs to be broken down. Trans people will be challenged about their beliefs/gender, without rest. It isn't transphobic, no, but an awareness of their self may lead to painful rejection based on their legs, chest, and so forth. The individual may not receive treatment that allows for their lifestyle, and encourages another.
At least, that is an argument you can make. It's impossible to know what's in someone's head. For all I know, someone could be in-the-closet trans and I would never know. Still, for those that do announce, these are circumstances to consider
99% of the world agrees transgenderism is an abomination. You are a cult/heathen as far as Im concerned.
Also, read the title. It wasnt a debate. Smh some people.
You asked me why and I answered. I just as easily couldve laughed at your low standards of morality amd chosen to ignore you but I didnt. Instead I decided to give you a chance. If you cant accept a difference of opinion, go and play video games or something where you can swear at other people like yourself online all day long.
and there goes any credibility you had in this debate.
Because transgenders are an abomination.
why? how is this positive?
Personally I dont really like Trump but heres a piece of legislation i can be grateful for.