The American dream is real

February 3, 2016, 12:21 pm

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The debate "The American dream is real" was started by DubZero3 on February 3, 2016, 12:21 pm. 7 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 8 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

ReadyToBegin posted 4 arguments, Alex posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
Alex posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.

ProudAmerican888, ReadyToBegin, franciscotrejo, kirizkiyah and 3 visitors agree.
fLipp3r, Alex, debateisgreat and 5 visitors disagree.

if your successful then your better then the others. if you get a scholarship out of a low money family, you are living the American dream. you are also beating the others.

3 years, 8 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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"American dream- being better then the others to become successful.

I hate Walmart. there are jobs that pay over minimum wage that people don't want to take.
what do you think minimum wage should be?"

- I was under the impression that the American Dream was to be succesful no matter your circumstances as long as you were hard working and had perseverance.
I didn't think you had to nessarily dominate over others to achieve though it would over lap.

I can't really say honestly. I believe that raising causes inflation. It is just a,shame that the minimum doesn't put food on the table. As for those other jobs they usually require some skill set or higher edu that not everyone has. Yeah, I see why that is practical, but sometimes that cuts out veterans and other citizens that didn't have time or can't afford to get the edu.

3 years, 8 months ago

American dream- being better then the others to become successful.

I hate Walmart. there are jobs that pay over minimum wage that people don't want to take.
what do you think minimum wage should be?

3 years, 8 months ago
PsychDave
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The flaw with your logic is that you can get a scholarship if you are better than the other applicants. You can get a promotion if you are better than the other applicants. That inherently means that of everyone who applies, only one gets it. So how much you work only benefits you if no one is better than you in these cases.

Minimum wage jobs used to be for teenagers and young people because there were better paying jobs for adults. They could work in factories and earn a comfortable living on a single parent income. How many of those jobs are left? They could have a small business or store, until Walmart puts them out of business.

3 years, 8 months ago

ever heard of a scholarship? people can get a scholarship if they are smart and work hard. people can also get a promotion to get a higher paying job if they are good at what they do.

What do you think the minimum wage should be. keep in mind that minimum wage jobs are ment for teenagers and young people, not grown men with a family.

3 years, 8 months ago

Those are all facets of what I was referring to ReadyToBegin. The system has increasingly been designed not to allow upward mobility. You can work 60 hours a week as hard as you possibly can and still not be able to feed your children. The system does not reward hard work. Companies pay as little as they can legally get away with in order to maximize profit for the company. They have absolutely no respect for their employees.

In order to get a better job you need a post secondary diploma. In order to get one you need the money to go to college or university. People born into wealth all get degrees because money is not an issue. their family can give them "a small loan of a million dollars" and then people talk about how brilliant they must be because they are rich.

People must work in order to get paid. but you cannot think that the current system rewards people in even a remotely fair way. a ceo who got the job because his dad was important makes millions while he spends all day golfing and poor people work their hands to the bone for peanuts.

3 years, 8 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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"I think he's referring to how he doest like it when a lazy person doesn't work, but gets no money."

I don't think he was, but if so I don't see why people who don't work should get paid the same as others who do. People need to work hard for what they get.

I think he meant how the inequality gap in america has been growing. How poor people are staying poor and the rich richer. Maybe even how minimum wage isn't enough to live on or how corruption runs wild some days. Maybe an issue with capitalism in general.

Something like that seems logical.

3 years, 8 months ago

I think he's referring to how he doest like it when a lazy person doesn't work, but gets no money.

3 years, 8 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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"the dream is real. it doesn't really happen very often. the American system is designed to chew people up and spit them out, not to allow them to succeed. but exceptional people will always find ways to overcome this."

I know people are always hating on the "broken system," but can you elaborate with examples of why you say it "chew people up and spit them out, not to allow them to succeed."

Are you refering to education that puts you in poverty? The inequality gap?

3 years, 8 months ago

as much as bernie sanders hates it, the American dream is real.

3 years, 8 months ago

the dream is real. it doesn't really happen very often. the American system is designed to chew people up and spit them out, not to allow them to succeed. but exceptional people will always find ways to overcome this.

3 years, 8 months ago

It is. I don't see why it wouldn't be.... watch shark tank!

3 years, 8 months ago
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