The debate "The beautiful white race is being destroyed" was started by
November 26, 2015, 1:09 pm.
15 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 38 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
AstroSpace posted 19 arguments, Sosocratese posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
TonganCaillou posted 3 arguments, PsychDave posted 9 arguments, historybuff posted 7 arguments, Sosocratese posted 3 arguments to the disagreers part.
AstroSpace, AmericanAndProud, Dysfunctional, action007man, Ryan, AngryBlogger, AlenaMaisel and 8 visitors agree.
PsychDave, historybuff, WaspToxin, calebtanner, DannyknowsItAll, mylogod, Sally, MarlemR, Mousie, TonganCaillou, Gabri_XO, Freyja, swp16, jjrocks1738 and 24 visitors disagree.
I'm not saying that phenotypically, black skin isn't dominant over white skin. I'm saying that skin color is akin to hair color in its effect on a distinction of race.
When you get the chance you should probably read the arguments you are trying to counter. No one has said race us random, so no matter how often you argue that it is not it won't make your arguments any more intelligent or any better founded in scientific fact. Strawman arguments do not help you and really only demonstrate that you have little to no true support for your position.
Haha, let's not forget your the one that thinks that race occurs from random chance. Kind of like a stupid liberal.
no. I'm denying that you understand genetics. you said your point was based on a cursory understanding of genetics. the kind a 14 year old might know. if you actually understood genetics you would know you don't have any facts. you have gotten them wrong.
So you're denying facts right now?
yes. but if you had a better understanding of genetics you would understand why your evidence isn't true.
Yeah, my evidence is elementary understanding of genetics. Not that hard to understand guys hahahaha.
That would be an effective argument if you could back up your claim that black skin pigmentation was dominant, but so far all you have provided is your opinion stated as fact. That is why we keep asking for evidence. Do you have any, or is your argument wholly based on your own uninformed opinion, with no research to make sure you are actually right?
Soscratese, I am well aware of the difference between phenotype and genotypes. See, what you're doing is acting very blind and naive. You're trying to convince me that black is not dominant over white. If you procreate with a black person, the child will most likely be black. Hence, that's less white people when the parent dies. Is it that hard for you to understand? You're just constantly asking me of evidence that this is true. That's like asking for evidence that plants exist. It's right in front of you just stop being a blind brainwashed robot zombie.
Astrospace, go look up the difference between phenotype and genotype. You'll be able to follow along with us much better.
You can see the phenotype, not the DNA. That is the point. The DNA itself is invisible to the naked eye.
Dna can show up as an organisms phenotypical characteristics. It's not invisible.
The flaw with that argument is that it could just as easily be used to argue that the world is flat, and that would be just as wrong. "Using your eyes" stops being a valid argument when you are talking about something that is not visible, like DNA.
so your only response to decades of research that has definitely proven that your opinion is wrong is "use your eyes"? we give you peer reviewed research, research that 100% proves you're wrong and all you can say is use your eyes. who here looks like a moron?
Try to use your eyes (I assume you're not blind) then actually try to argue. If you're too dumb to do that then be prepared to look like a moron.
it's more like whites and blacks are 99.9999% the same. genetic testing has proven that the differences between races are a tiny cosmetic difference. as you have been told it is similar to the difference between blue eyes and brown. you have been linked a half a dozen peer reviewed articles that have proved that. your opinion by itself is not proof. look for some or be prepared to lose the debate.
Are you denying facts now? Basic science says I'm correct. If you're really incapable of moving your little pink fingers across your keyboard to do a liiiiitle bit of research then I suggest you find something else to do.
It takes a special kind of stupid not to read what I just said. Read what I actually said moron. You guys say I don't understand the topic? You're the ones trying to tell me that matter what, I'll have black, Asian, Mexican, and white childeren.
Genetically speaking, you are simply wrong. Chimps are reprodictively isolated from humans, so I don't know why you'd even bring that up since it has no relevance to the conversation. I think you're just trying to ruffle feathers. It doesn't sound like to can actually defend the statement and so you're just trying to grasp at straws.
Please provide evidence that supports your claim, not rhetoric, or provide evidence against my claim, not rhetoric.
Again, for you have any kind of evidence to back up your opinion or are you still arguing without any understanding of the subject?
On a grand scale, humans are all 99.9% related. We're 98% related to chimpanzees. You would never want to fertilize a chimpanzee, (lol) would you? You see, we are all related to animals that are very very different from us. Cats even. Fruit flies, even trees. I may be closely related to Asians, but does that mean I have the same exact genetics as them? Of course not. Races aren't the same difference as eye color. Each race has its own general skin tone, eye color, and hair type. Whites are definitely the most diverse genetic wise, as African and Latino people often have similar phenotypical characteristics.
AstroSpace, as has been pointed out, there are genetic differences between races, but they are about as significant as the genetic differences between those with blue eyes and blonde hair and those with brown eyes and brown hair. Would you claim that people with blue eyes and blonde hair are a beautiful race that is being destroyed by a conspiracy to breed them with less genetically pure stock?
It seems like your argument is not very well supported....can you come up with any sources that support your claim of a conspiracy theory? If not, aren't you just making assertions without proof?
Perhaps the reason that you can't find any evidence to support your position is because your position isn't based in reality but rather in paranoia and ignorance of facts?
I'm so sorry you guys can't think for yourselves. It doesn't take a genius to do...You don't understand that the liberals have an agenda to destroy the white race. Why do you think political correctness and biracial marriage is being shoved down our throats? Websites are liberal, magazines are liberal, the government is liberal, this whole damn country is liberal. There's next to no sources talking about genetic differences. They'd like you to believe that we're all just one big happy family. Go ahead and have some mixed childeren. Your heritage doesn't matter anyways. This mindset makes me so sick.
AstroSpace, before you continue to state your uneducated opinion, please do some basic research. Plenty have been provided and Google could provide many many more. Please make use of the many tools at your disposal to educate yourself before commenting again.
Can you please provide me with academic research that substantiates your claim that race is genetically significant?
I know you didn't like the TIMES article because it's a "liberal" magazine...I don't actually know what makes TIME "liberal" or why it somehow affects the content of the study it was describing, however, I have about 50-60 scholarly articles on the subject. Here are some primary sources that substantiate the notion that Race is genetically irrelevant. If you really want to contend that science isn't on the opposite side of you, please provide me with evidence to substantiate you're claim.
Abandoning “race” as a variable in public health research—an idea whose time has come
Am J Public Health, 88 (1998), pp. 1297–1298
Why genes don’t count (for racial differences in health)
Am J Public Health, 90 (2000), pp. 1699–1702
H Harpending, A Rogers
Genetic perspectives on human origins and differentiation
Annu Rev Genomics Hum Genet, 1 (2000), pp. 361–38
M Ingman, H Kaessmann, S Pääbo, U Gyllensten
Mitochondrial genome variation and the origin of modern humans
Nature, 408 (2000), pp. 708–713
The evolution of human skin and skin color
Annu Rev Anthropol, 33 (2004), pp. 585–623
As to your "argument".
Simply because you can see a phenotypical difference in some humans does not mean it's genetically significant enough to constitute a biological distinction of "race". What you're describing is a social construct of "race". It is a construct born of ignorance and has nothing to do with our scientific understanding of race. I don't see the relevance of your statement that " If a black man has sex with a white woman, the offspring will be black". Genetically speaking, it's irrelevant. Why is "race" significant if the only affect is phenotypical? It's like saying red heads shouldn't have kids with black haired people because you'll breed out the red hair, or saying if you have blue eyes you shouldn't reproduce with someone who has brown eyes. Since they are all recessive genes, they would likely not be preserved in the phenotype of the next generation. You're argument about skin color is, genetically speaking, no different than hair color, eye color, etc...
seriously just look it up. the difference between white and black is tiny genetically speaking. you can repeat yourself all you like but the facts prove you wrong. the idea of different human races is out dated. your kind of racist thinking is just destructive.
I'm going to state my take on this. If Dave, Sosocratese, and historybuff really think there's zero genetic differences between races, I would disagree completely. The fact that we have races is obvious enough that there's a difference in genetics. You said that the only thing that's different is skin pigmentation? Can you imagine a black man with white skin? Or a blond white man with black skin? Doesn't seem very normal does it? Thats because skin pigmentation isn't the only difference. Honestly the TIME magazine would love for you to believe that every race is exactly the same, but if you just thought about it for a single second, you would see that is utterly ridiculous. You have avoided to answer Astrospaces question on why we don't all have different races if offspring. Its only skin pigment, right? Its all by chance isn't it? Asian men have black children all the time. Of course they do. Yeah, right. The fact is, you guys need to actually use your brain on this one. Not just site some liberal magazine source. If a black man has sex with a white woman, the offspring will be black! Thats is totally factual, the white race often disappears when the parents are biracial. That is fact. Nowadays, liberals are becoming more accepting and more free lovey that they will have sex with black men. The white races numbers are diminishing. If you disagree with that you are a blind dumbass. Its not a matter of agreeing or not. Its a fact. This debate should really debate how we should prevent the white race from going extinct.
Astrospace, your have no idea what you're talking about. Variants of phenotypes in a given human population does not constitute a significant enough variant of the genotypes to call it a different species. It's just scientific fact. You can argue all you want that you know there is a difference, but you're just plain wrong.
You may assert your position all you like, but until you show me some scientific research that conflicts with the predominant view in biology (that there are no racial variants in humans) you are just spouting off. Show me evidence or your point is no more valid than someone claiming mole people are coming out of the center of the earth to take over.... You have demonstrated the same level of evidence...
AstroSpace I will ask again, have you actually looked into this or are you just spouting your opinion as fact? If you have proof, provide it. If not please do some basic research before continuing to babble.
actually look this up before you say more stupid things. those are tiny differences. there are no major genetic differences between the races. our genetics are virtually identical.
Maybe you've never gone outside before or anything, but why are noses and lips typically larger on black people? Thats not racist, it's factual. Why do white people generally have straighter and more diverse hair? Why do Asians have different shaped eyelids than whites? Why are some races shorter than others? Why does basic genetics and common sense not apply to race? I suppose you guys think bacteria and elephants are exactly the same too...
the difference between a white person and a black person in infinitesimal. it is skin pigmentation. in every other way we are exactly the same. the idea that there are significant differences has been proven false.
AstroSpace, did you actually bother to look at any resources before declaring races completely different genetically or are you basing it entirely on your opinion?
Why do you care so much about "race"?
Tongan Caillou is a total moron lol. The classic "blame everything on white people" card.
lmfao Sosocratese, like I said, everything about races is different. You think we're all just one big race? Why don't I have black kids? Why don't Asians have white children? Oh yeah, because the genetics are totally different! Why is intelligence affected by race? What you just said has contradicted the basic laws of genetics and common sense. Funny, you guys call me a racist, but claim races don't even exist. You're telling me racism is non existent. You're saying that there's no genetics at play when a black man has a black child. You're saying that there's no reason why Chinese look different from South Africans...Seriously, think about how dumb you sound.
Can you see he is baiting you. Is argument is fact that statistically whites will lower in percentage, but he aims to get you in a racial war.
Astrospace, your argument is absurd. Scientifically speaking, there is no biological difference between races.
Second you refer to breeding with other "races" as inbreeding.... That makes no sense. Inbreeding is more likely to occur should you stick with your own "race".
Genetic fitness is also improved through multiple racial offspring.
Science is inconvenient for silly views like this.
he's complaining about how the "pure white race is dying off" Im just telling him why
white people write history. we were better off without your diseases and lies
You just proved my point. You said we should celebrate gaining from other races. White mixed with black = black. Liberals are breeding the white race away.
So you're basically saying we should all mix together and become one inbred mixed race, be one universal race. Yeah no thanks. Its kinda like playdo. Its just fine separately, but when you mix them all together, it's an ugly mess.
haha okay historybuff. First of, races are totally different. Everything about them is different, even ear wax. Saying that theres no difference is idiotic. Second of all, where did I imply the white race is more beautiful? If I call a girl beautiful, does that mean all the other girls are ugly???
first of all the difference between "races" is almost non existent. so saying there is a white race isn't really true to begin with. secondly you assume that whites are more beautiful. that is completely subjective and kinda racist. thirdly all peoples in the world are intermixing. we are constantly combining culture and ourselves. we shouldn't mourn the loss of some hypothetical race. we should celebrate all the things we gain from the other "races".
you weren't in a good shape hundreds of years ago otherwise we wouldn't of been able to colonise and "ruin it all"
You must not be very smart
OK, so let me get this straight. You think the entire white race deserves to die off because of what a minute fraction of people did hundreds if years ago?
that's what happens when you try ruling over all the other races. If only you guys minded your own business instead of ruining it for the rest of us.