The debate "The biblical God is not a god worth bowing down to. nWhy or why not" was started by
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I don't have an issue with God because he doesn't exist. Also, I never said he was omnimalevolent, being as that I don't believe in objective good and bad. You literally just made a strawman and then didn't refute it??
I do take issue with the concept of God, as I'm sure that you take issue with the concept of O?inn. He was a horndog, a murderer, a sorcerer, etc. From my point of view, however (and many others'), YHWH, as I said, points the proverbial gun to our head and demands worship and love. I'll tell you right now, I cant love someone who demands it. That's literally an abusive relationship. He tries to force us into being codependent and whenever we get too smart or powerful he just wipes us out or scrambles our languages because he's too insecure of his own abilities.
Let's have a little thought experiment:
Let's just agree with JDAWG for a second and say that God is the worst Being imaginable. Let's even take it a step further & call God Omnimalevolent instead of Benevolent. Let's say that God Made tuned the Universe in a way that would make life unbearable. Perhaps he made us immortal to make it so that we die cruel and agonising deaths only so that we come back to life to die the same horrible death. My personal take on your (JDAWG's) statement is that you probably have a personal issue against God therefore I seriously doubt that you'd be able to truly see things from an objective viewpoint. I personally believe that as much as God says He loves us as we are, we also have to share the same affection for Him. This is not an unreasonable request & of course God wouldn't appreciate it if His children that He loves more than anyone would (whom He gave a chance at a relationship with him) close Him off. For those who refuse to have a relationship with Him, what else can be done?
Granted that the biblical god exists: he is an envious, hateful, angry, spiteful, narcissistic, slavery condoning, murderer at the very best. He is a shrill of a being that acts like a little spoiled child everytime we humans don't do what he wants. Everytime I ask people to define God they say that "he is perfect" then I say to define what perfection is and they say "god is perfect". If he did make everything, then he defined what perfection is and put himself on that pedestal. How arrogant do you have to be to do that?? And then he uses that to justify him holding the equivalent of a gun to our head (eternal torment in Hell) and saying bow before me and kiss my smelly feet or I will shoot. Just the concept of that, without even getting to any of his other actions or deep doctrine of any religion, makes Him the worst being imaginable.
The Biblical God SHOULD be bowed down to, for He has created all man-kind and all living things here on earth. He is pure and Holy. He has NO mistakes. He has given us the FREEDOM to do whatever we want, but it is up to us wether to do GOOD or BAD. And even though, in our present time, we are all very sinfull, he has still forgiven us amd has sacrificed His 1 and only son to save us all from the torture we should be experiencing after we die physically.
he said biblical god. the same god who did all of the horrors of the old testament? I think not.
any god that demands worship, especially with an "or else", is not worship. it shows human flaws like vanity and signs of evil. such a God deserves only fear worship, not love. such a God is a tyrant, not a benevolent king.
gods are interesting! i believe they are created by masses of good people to counter and ward off evil dieties. they are all thoughtforms or servitors or egregores or possessive life created with a purpose. these things all have a large effect on the world and our thoughts. we do spend too much time focusing on the religions only because we don't know what's going on.
I agree, only because I: 1, don't believe in the bible considering it was compiled and written and sorted through and edited by a bunch of guys over many years thousands of years ago and translated into hundreds of different languages before even reaching English; and 2, all that led to God seeming like a supposedly loving God that says racist and homophobic bs once in a while
He is supposed to be above human kind and yet he fails at that. He is arrogant and cruel and lacks the qualities of a good leader. Why should homosexuals be punished for being who they are? According to religion they are gods creation and yet he considers them bad marking his incompetence as a creator. Also, just because I do. not believe in him I am to go to Hell? This is also wrong in my opinion. If I am his craetion then surely he must see that just because I don't believe in him doesnt mean I'm a bad person and if not, this just shows how unintelligent he is
God necessarily possesses paradoxical aspects since He must be beyond human comprehension by definition. His wisdom must necessarily contradict human wisdom at times because it necessary supercedes all finite thought. Listen to the heart; in stillness supernal truth manifests. Look at us. How can we be qualified to judge what God is or isn't? Modesty is the fount of all gifts of the heart.
I wouldn't bow down to anyone who demands bowing down to, but I do believe he deserves praise for creation of the world and my life. (this is assuming cannonicity, his existence and role still being an open question).
as for his alleged properties, I dont think they contradict each other as much as they contradict his ability to have free will. either way, I dont think we will be able to tell the difference between all powerful and extremely powerful. a computer programmer isnt all powerful, but he certainly seems that way from inside the program. similarly, a t-1000 terminator would seem pretty godly in the middle ages.... but is objectively not omni anything.
as for the contradiction: if he knows all moves he can make in a situation (omniscience), has the power to carry them all out (omnipotence), and would only choose the best one (omnibenevolence), then he has no choice but to pick and carry out the best one. this makes him less a conscious father figure, and more an unconscious force of nature.
His omni- description is kind of debatable, but I do agree that the omni-god is obviously a paradox. But, my statement is more of a moral one, than an ontological one.
the biblical God is an omni- paradox. he can't be omnibenevolant, omnipotent, and omnipowerful. look it up.