The burkini must be banned not just in france but all around the world

August 28, 2016, 7:42 am

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The debate "The burkini must be banned not just in france but all around the world" was started by fadi on August 28, 2016, 7:42 am. By the way, fadi is disagreeing with this statement. 8 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 21 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

fadi posted 9 arguments to the agreers part.
thereal posted 1 argument, PsychDave posted 6 arguments, historybuff posted 2 arguments, Nemiroff posted 5 arguments, wdz posted 18 arguments, fadi posted 20 arguments to the disagreers part.

NationalistGuy, NotoriousBishop and 6 visitors agree.
fadi, thereal, sada_hamza, PsychDave, north, floridaedgar, Najam1, Nemiroff, historybuff, wdz, phantrash55 and 10 visitors disagree.

fadi
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urine drinking muslim that is what your prophet commands have a cup of urine and drink every day before and after bed

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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who said I or anyone drinks camel urine? what the heck are you on about? stupid child

3 years, 2 months ago
PsychDave
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Do there are female Catholic priests? Since they are equal and all.

Could you create a new thread if you want to argue things not relevant to the topic.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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no in christianity a woman is equal to men in god's sight but in islam she is called a awro lol i bet you must try and call your wife awra or hurma and you will get slapped on the face i mean what do i expect from a person who drinks camel's urine for medical purposes retarded

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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You may want to believe that Islam does not give women rights, but you are just in denial. They may not have the exact same rights, but they have equal rights for different responsibilities. And Nemiroff is correct, how can you contest this when women under Christianity were given very little rights themselves?

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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see you have agreed that they are not given equal rights thank you

3 years, 2 months ago

they are definitely not given equal rights, however the question was if they are considered equal as human beings.

Christians (as you said) say all are made in God's image and are equ, yet it was a long long time before any Christian society gave them equal rights.

either way, there is a make new thread button in case of tangents.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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yes but he started the debate by saying that women are given rights in the islamic religion which is a lie

3 years, 2 months ago

You recognize that this is not a debate about the merits of Islam but about the merits of banning the burkini, right?

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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then why can't women marry 4 men so in islam they are not equal why can a man do something a woman can not do ?

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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well that is completely your opinion, but a woman who wants to be in a relationships with a man who has another wife has the right to do so. Many women may not (I don't blame them) but they don't have to be in polygamous relationships. it's just an option.

And Awrah in Arabic just means "nakedness". It is required that women cover their Awrah to protect their modesty. In another language it may mean something different, but that's unrelated nevertheless. So what's your point?

And if my wife wanted to marry another man, I would of course dislike it like any person would. But I would question why. If it was because she no longer wanted to be with me, then I cannot be force her to be with me. But any person would always seek reconciliation. But your assumption here is that I wouldn't have known that she would like to have a polygamous relationship from before I married her. If I knew, I probably wouldn't have married her. Just like the other way around, a women can choose not to marry another man if she knew he was going to have a polygamous relationship Again, what's your point?

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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well what would you think if your wife married another man in addition to you would you like this

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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a woman who maries a man who has other women is making of herself a piece to be bought by a lustful man this act is disgusting islam humiliated women by calling them awra

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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you haven't explained why it is disgusting for a consenting women to be in polygamous relationship? are you denying a women's freedom of who she loves?

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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it has no benefits just simply said a disgrace to women because a man can posses four of them just as he can posses four cows they are humans and sex toys to be given to man who lusts 4 women at a time there is no such love as for 4 women this is disgusting lust

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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Islam does not encourage or enforce Polygamy, it only allows it to be an option. but it is not the encouraged option. Marriage or a relationship with a single partner is much preferred to prevent potential conflicts or biases from polygamous relationships.

You also seem to ignore the practical application of the concept. I personally, and many, would not want to have polygamous relationship, but it can be of help in some circumstances for other people, not just of our time, but people of previous generations from since the option was revealed in the Quran.

But you use the word "disgusting" to describe it? why is it disgusting for all content & agreeing parties who are aware of it, to be in a polygamous relationship? just because you dislike it, doesn't mean it is disgusting. There isn't even any moral objection to it if it exists like above.

(again I emphasise, I don't promote it. I am just aware of its potential practical benefits)

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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yes polygamy is disgusting it is a shame to marry more than one woman that is disgust you guys wanna live in the time of your prophet do it but don't inforce your ridiculous laws on others and most importantly don't kill the murtads or those who decide to leave your religion islam is more like a mafia gang than a religion

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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that is what muslims say when they are wrong you are the one who is ignorant

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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I'm not even surprised anymore of how ignorant you are

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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so you believe most women would rather choose to live lonely lives without any partnered relationships and be left exposed to society, than to be with a husband who she willingly loves and where he also has another wife? (assumption here being made that there are no more single men)

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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no the islamic world is all sexist and is against the equality and education of woman a perfect woman in islam would be an illiterate wife house

3 years, 2 months ago

and you assume the Muslims you know represent all 1 billion Muslims in the world. maybe you just live near sexists.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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these are all supported claims with quranic evidence and verses from the quran iam saying nothing new all of what iam saying is law in islamic countries

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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i know hadeeth and quran i know i live in a majority muslim country

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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no iam not you can not fool me because i live in a sea of muslims

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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first of all there is an equal opportunity for a sibling to be born a man or a woman so 1+ 1 = children
secondly no it is not in a woman's best interest to be married to a man who is married to other three wives i mean we are not rabbit that just reproduce

3 years, 2 months ago

Fadi, you can complain "lie lie lie" all you want, but your machine gun tactic of firing unsupported claims will not help you at all. You are just demonstrating your ignorance to everyone.

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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lie lie lie lie what if they were both unmarried or if the sister was married and the brother was not secondly this is a verse from the quran there is no such thing as some people say if the quran says something then it is the law in islam

Well, if the sister was married, she would have even more finance in her favour from her husband!
Secondly, you know nothing about Islamic law. it is not derived from just reading the Quran. Who thought you that? A muslim cannot just accept the Quran and that's it. They must accept the Quran in conjunction with the authenticated Hadeeth (the sayings and actions of prophet Muhammed which he received through inspirstion from God), who was the best example of someone following the guidance of God, then from scholarly consensus. So Islamic law is not solely based on the Quran

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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thirdly mohammad himself discribes women as not having equal brains and equal faith in god



almaraa naqisa aqlon wa deen

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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again give me references regarding the divorce aspect as I understand the Polygamy aspect

Again, you fail to understand the practical application and purpose. firstly, men and women are told to only marry in single partnered relationships. it is only in exceptional circumstances can s man have more than one wife simultaneously, and again, only if he can be just and equal with them all. Secondly, if men and women had only single partnered relationships, there would be an enormous number of women with no male partners (not taking into account the small proportional of homosexual orientations). What do you think is better; leaving a women to be alone to the society she dwells in and live a lonely life without a life partner, or to be married in a polygamous relationship, which she has full autonomous consent to? Thirdly, do you realise the difficulty in the practical application of a relationship of multiple men and a single women? One example is how it would be very difficult for women before the time of DNA testing was discovered to be able to know who the father of a child would be

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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lie lie lie lie what if they were both unmarried or if the sister was married and the brother was not secondly this is a verse from the quran there is no such thing as some people say if the quran says something then it is the law in islam

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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again, you don't realise this in the context of Islamic family values. Men are required to spend from their money on the women of their family (mothers, sister, daughters etc.), while women are NOT required to spend on anyone; of course they are allowed to spend on anyone and anything permissible, but THEY DONT HAVE TO. Because of this, inheritance (in some cies not all) is more for a son than a daughter, but like you have shown, you completely ignore the practical application in that the son receives more as they will have to spend on the well being and living for his widowed mother and fatherless sisters

so in fact, considering this in its FULL context and application, women have far greater privileges than men in Islam

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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I don't know how you can't realise the purpose and application behind the matter, instead you are fixated at some false idea than 2 women = 1 man

3 years, 2 months ago

thirdly a man in islam can marry four muslim women but a woman cannot a man can divorce his wife but a woman cannot divorce her husband

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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[3:195] Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another.

^ that is as clear as you could get regarding equalness of men n women

3 years, 2 months ago

secondly in islam when a father dies and leaves his fortune for his children the boys take twice the shares of their sisters alnisaa 11 or women 11

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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it says bring two men and if you could bring only one then bring two women instead of the missing man the equation is not 2 women =2 men
but 2 men _ 1 man = 1man +2 women ( 1man ) = 2 men

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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fadi brought it up, so I must clarify his misunderstanding

3 years, 2 months ago

this all has very little to do with the buriqini

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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where does it state there that 2 women equal one man? it is clear that if no 2nd man is available, which means the 1st man would have no-one there to remind him, then bring 2 female witnesses who can remind one another. Thus bexomes even more sense when the 2 women would unlikely come into contact with the single man, so it would become even more necessary for one to remind the other if she forgot

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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so simply said 2 women =1 man

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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no that is not what it says you snake i can read arabic you can not fool me it says bring two men and if you had only one man so bring this one man and two women (=one man ) =2 men in total

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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so regarding 2:282, I'm assuming your point is about the following section of the verse "Call in two men as witnesses. If two men are not there, then call one man and two women out of those you approve as witnesses, so that if one of the two women should forget the other can remind her"

So what is your concern on this? There is no discussion of women being unequal to men here. It is clear that it describes the steps one by one to be taken regarding witnesses. 2 men are required (if available) to act as witnesses, as obviously 2 witnesses it more credible than just 1, and one man remind the other if he forgets. if a 2nd man is NOT AVAILABLE, then it ask to bring 2 women who would be good witnesses, so that if one forgets, they can remind the other women (same application with the men)

so I ask, what is your disgust at this?

3 years, 2 months ago
PsychDave
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So why did the French police force a woman to strip in front of her kids for wearing a burkini? She wasn't swimming, or sunbathing. She was letting her kids play at the beach. If a nun were watching some kids, would you agree that the police should point pepper stray at her to threaten her into stripping?

3 years, 2 months ago
Nemiroff
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lol. of course, nuns are forbidden from enjoying any of God's creations.

they vowed celibacy, not misery. they are free to enjoy the sun and the sea as much as anyone else. and in this country they are free to wear what they want without the police force stripping them to "save" them.

once again, what ever happened to promoting religious freedom and limiting government intervention? hypocrites.

3 years, 2 months ago

no iam not they are on the beach but are not swimming and are not tanning so they are just by the sea breathing some fresh air

3 years, 2 months ago
PsychDave
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I don't believe you because you are wrong.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2903036/people-share-photos-of-nuns-on-the-beach-in-response-to-burkini-ban-in-france/

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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believe me nuns don't go tanning their body and swimming in the sea

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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albaqara or the cow 282

3 years, 2 months ago
Nemiroff
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so a nun must wear a highly revealing bathing suit when they bathe? I don't think their nun uniform is for prayer only. they must practice modesty at all times.

a burkini is a bathing suit. you don't wear a bathing suit to a mosque, lol.

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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if you are going to make these claims, can you provide me your references from the Quran? or are you just being disingenuous?

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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they are not going to a beach and thus are in their places of worship well i have nothing against a muslim who wearing a hijab or a burkini in mosque
but on a beach no that is unacceptable

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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source the quran says that a woman's brain is half a man's brain

3 years, 2 months ago
PsychDave
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Fadi, do you think we should ban Christian nuns from wearing the habit since their religion forcing them to cover themselves that way is oppressive?

3 years, 2 months ago
wdz
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Fadi - "...not equal to man for in islam a woman is not equal to a man..."

source?

3 years, 2 months ago

so how do you react to orthodox Jews and christian nuns who have similar restrictions? what about women who are simply shy or have skin conditions they would rather hide.

your not going to "free" these women by banning their swimwear, your only going to defacto ban them from the beach and prevent them even more from integrating into society.

since when is regulating clothes the Republican way? the ones who keep yelling at government to stay out of their lives? the ones who demand religious freedoms?

3 years, 2 months ago

so you have the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot wear? that sounds alot like tyranny.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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nope the burkini is a form of radicalism a woman is ashamed to show her legs or arms ---etc because she think that she is not complete and not equal to man for in islam a woman is not equal to a man and she thinks that this is right

3 years, 2 months ago

no. we believe women should be free to wear whatever they want. you are the one trying to take that freedom away from them.

3 years, 2 months ago
fadi
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you are the cancer because you believe that women are not equal to men huh retarded people like you must be sent to the moon to live alone

3 years, 2 months ago

Nothing is more dangerous and offensive than someone else's clothing.

3 years, 2 months ago

this guy is just cancer.

3 years, 2 months ago

this is just so ignorant it hurts. if you wanted a way to offend and enrage Muslims that would do it.

3 years, 2 months ago
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