The debate "The concern on co2 should be on pollution not warming." was started by
September 24, 2015, 8:54 pm.
19 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 6 people are on the disagree side.
People are starting to choose their side.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
Alex posted 12 arguments to the agreers part.
PsychDave posted 10 arguments, historybuff posted 7 arguments, Alex posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
Alex, gabriel, pajrc1234, AstroSpace, Bodgur88, WaspToxin, ariel22 and 12 visitors agree.
PsychDave, historybuff, madhusudhan, omactivate and 2 visitors disagree.
That's nice. It doesn't actually show that it is as that is among the general public, not experts, and it also is still a false choice as one is a symptom of the other.
6 out of 9 people agree that pollution is more of a concern.
No, you said the temperature is possibly getting slightly warmer, which is incorrect as measured by any scientist in the world researching the subject. To say that pollution is getting worse at a greater rate than temperature is rising is a pointless statement since they are two different measures of different things. As they don't use the same scale, you are making a judgement call, and as has been evident from the rest of this debate your judgement is typically in opposition of established evidence.
Pollution may be more of an issue than global warming as there are many forms of pollution and some of them are immediately toxic while other do long term damage, but by singling out CO2 from the greater issue of pollution you are demonstrating that you don't really have a concept of what constitutes pollution, or what is a threat to society.
I said not u said
U said the pollution is getting worse at a far greater rate than the temp rising.
Did you do any research before making that statement? China acknowledges that global warming is happening, and that it is being caused by greenhouse gas emissions, which they are the world leader in producing. The Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology released a report stating that they are already experiencing the effects of climate change including an increase in ocean and surface temperatures and a rise in sea level. They have also committed to reducing their emissions. You are using an example that disagrees with your position.
Look at the sky in China and check the temp there. sky is getting blacker temp is getting possibly very slightly warmer.
That's great. Do you have any science or evidence to back up this opinion?
So the answer to my questions depends on where you live. ok. cool. I in my opinion think pollution will kill us first.
Yes. if we created other pollution types faster than we make co2 then yes we could poison ourselves before global warming kills us. But we don't create other poisons nearly as fast as we create co2. global warming will kill us long before other types of pollution. Unless you live in Beijing.
Those last comment made a little sense. If you are saying pollution does not create heat, but is keeping it in than you may be right. pollution is not just co2. it also has poisonous chemicals and dirt. let's say there is enough pollution to suffice someone because of the dirt and stuff, but not enough for heat to kill them could that happen? please try to be logical all the time.
they are different. Like a gun and a bullet are different. One causes the other.
We are talking about the question about pollution and heat being different.
Omg are you being internationally dense? the pollution is not creating energy. Pollution is holding an energy that would otherwise escape.
Are you capable of making an argument for your position or are you simply going to make inane comments? Pollution causes heat from the sun to build up, hence the name of greenhouse gases. Are you denying this, or simply trying to derail a debate you know you are loosing?
pollution is not energy. heat is energy. energy can only be changed from other energy. We know why your name isn't ScienceBuff because you know no science.
I assumed that you were capable of following a line of reasoning based on the fact that it has been covered repeatedly already in this and other debates between you and I. I will try to avoid assuming you can remember what we are talking about in the future to avoid having you face such confusion again.
you're being a moron again. even global warming deniers don't deny that pollution creates heat. that is scientific fact and indisputable. they deny that we have a critical effect if the world. so trying to deny pollution creates heat makes you look dumb.
I was agree heat comes from the sun I was explaining to Dave pollution does not make heat.
you might have a point, except that global warming explains this perfectly well. And I'm quite certain that you know that. The extra heat comes from the Sun and the co2 to keep it inside the atmosphere. please check the science before you act like a douche next time.
No pollution is waste in the form of a gas. heat,a form of energy, can only be made by another form of energy such as electronical or chemical as used in cars. Gas because of the heat being made changes to pollution. these two are different. may want to have some science to back up your facts next time.
pollution is the gun. Pollution causes heat. Heat is like the bullet. Since one causes the other they're both killing you at the same time.
Pollution causes heat. I know logic can be challenging but try harder and I'm sure you'll get it.
co2 comes from cars and stuff. the gun is to the car as the pollution or heat is to the bullet. Bad analogy try harder!
this is like two bullets pollution and heat both different and kill different ways Wich kills first.
the pollution is causing the heat. Again that's like saying which killed you the gun with the bullet. The answer is both.
You are saying at the exact point in Wich we die from heat we will also die from pollution.
What part needs explaining?
CO2 emissions are pollution so, if global warming and related effects kill someone, it is by definition caused by pollution.
That is like asking which will kill you, the war or the bullet. One is part of the other, so the question is redundant.
What will happen first, death by heat or death by pollution?
CO2 is a form of pollution and the scientific community is completely in agreement that it is a problem, that the world is warming because of it, and that the effects are man made. Stories about ships freezing in ice and the fact that winter cam still be cold do not change the fact that there is irrefutable evidence that the average global temperature has risen substantially.