The debate "The existence of the nation of Israel is justified" was started by
June 21, 2016, 10:25 am.
43 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 16 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
Nemiroff posted 5 arguments, RogueAmerican posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
RogueAmerican posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
Nemiroff, SwaggerPoptart, citizenzero, Nm1995, Daffa8799, pfumelo09, NoeliaDelRio5, dasani72002, xaveragexjoesx, froyojones, Syahidahdmk, Dev, ad, TheC16, Yanksxx21 and 28 visitors agree.
TZW, usmanarshad, AzelG, JakobBoghora, ComradeStalin and 11 visitors disagree.
Soo i suppose so
Someone had to jump on the other side.
is that you conceding?
Palestinians did not even exist as a people before the 20th century. they were just Arabs living in Palestine. they were no different than any other Arabs until the 20th or maybe the 19th century. so saying the Palestinians controlled the area before that isn't exactly true, since they didn't exist.
the Palestinians systematically attacked the Jews in the Palestine in the first half of the 1900s. look at the Palestinian riots of 1928 the revolt of 1933 and the revolt of 1936-1939. Jews peacefully
emigrated to a British controlled area and the Palestinians responded by trying to massacre them. the jews responded by militarizing to defend themselves.
during the 1936 - 1939 revolt the British peel commission decided that there had to be an independent Jewish state because the Palestinians were not going to stop trying to massacre the Jews. the Palestinians responded by revolting further and committing more attacks on the Jews. the Palestinians leadership even joined the Nazis.
Israel wasn't created to steal land from the Palestinians. it was created because the Palestinians were incapable of living in peace with the Jews.
The Palestinians have been in control of the region in civilized times. In passing from the Ottomans to the British, they were to remain in power; however, terrorist actions and foreign support belittled the rule of the Muslim peoples and instituted Israel's rule.
once again, I understand you aren't arguing against me, but it doesn't we are arguing the same thing.
i am not debating if Israel would be an appropriate location, I'm hoping to debate whether the method and series of steps that led to the independence are defensible.
also, I'd love to hear from the rest of the disagree voters as well.
I suppose they could have carved a state out of someone else, but the same problem would exist. no one was going to volunteer to give up any land worth having for them. anyone they took the land from was going to cry foul. the bottom line was that they needed a state. it may as well be their ancestral homeland as anywhere else.
shucks buff. I was counting on you for pushback on this issue lol. the Israel Palestine conflict is one where I typically break with most left wingers. :p
you explained why they needed to push for "an" independent state, which is commonly accepted by most people on either side, but the push for "the" independent state of Israel is where the left often cries foul.
the rest of the world and history aside. I believe the events that lead to the creation of Israel were justified on the part of the Jewish settlers and even commendable at times.
I agree. Jewish independence came largely because the Palestinians (and of course everyone else) wouldn't stop trying to kill and discriminate against them. some even sided with the Nazis. they had no choice but to push for an independent state to protect themselves.
it is true if you look at the region at the beginning of the century, and skip ahead to 1950, it does look like something fishy happened.
however if one examines all the steps individually, the Jewish settlers in that region did nothing wrong and were in fact subject to xenophobic attacks against them without even retaliating for an entire decade.