The God isn't real

April 16, 2017, 10:31 am

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The debate "The God isn't real" was started by makson on April 16, 2017, 10:31 am. 94 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 167 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

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neveralone
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what?

1 day, 23 hours ago
makson
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I can't find the source right now, it means 3 days pause

2 days ago

btw I won't be on here tomorrow or the day after.

2 days ago
makson
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it's illogical because if he's everywhere, his voice is everywhere

2 days ago
neveralone
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depends on how he wishes to he heard.

2 days ago
makson
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There's no much similarities? I am bored to give you all the similarities, but I'll do it tomorrow. When God speaks, everyone can hear him because he's omnipresent, right?

2 days ago
neveralone
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he isn't in that one spot more than everywhere else. he just gives u something to look at to help. if a voice just comes booming everywhere around u would u not be freaked out? its pretty much a courtesy to u.

if u mean the egyptian god Horus then no there isn't much similarities.

2 days ago
makson
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It's illogical to be everywhere and in one place more then that something can come from nothing.
PS: How do you explain the similarities with Horus and Jesus? It's too much to be a coincidence

2 days, 1 hour ago
neveralone
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this is again the physical manifestation of God.

2 days, 1 hour ago
makson
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If God sits on a throne above the circle of earth, he's not omnipresent because he's only at one place - throne.

2 days, 2 hours ago
makson
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if the"corners" is mistranslation, that's it's true meaning?

2 days, 2 hours ago
neveralone
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it says so right after that. that the angels release the four winds.

2 days, 2 hours ago
Nemiroff
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ah we are back on this!
great I've been meaning to ask.

you say sphere does not have corners, therefore 4 it means earth is flat.

I quoted "he sits on a throne above the circle of the earth"

And you said "it's a flat circle" (I don't know how, maybe random guess? lol)

But even if it is flat circle, a circle of any kind still has no corners...

so the "corners" must be a mistranslation or their word for something else, like the cardinal directions.

And cannot possible mean anything regarding flatness.

2 days, 2 hours ago
makson
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But how do you know it's talking about the winds?

2 days, 4 hours ago
neveralone
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back then that is an often phrase. I believe mostly used by sailors. but not for sure on that. they would say as such since the wind could come from the north east south or west. ergo the four corners.

2 days, 4 hours ago
makson
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the wind has corners?

2 days, 4 hours ago
neveralone
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it's talking about the wind. seeing the future events that happen in Revelations. this is a guy during Jesus's time. he isn't going to be able to explain it very well don't u think? he isn't God.

2 days, 6 hours ago
makson
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4 corners at the earth doesn't mean it's flat?

2 days, 7 hours ago
neveralone
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again the Bible does not.

2 days, 7 hours ago
makson
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I don't, but the Bible says it is.

2 days, 7 hours ago
neveralone
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do u believe the earth is flat?

2 days, 7 hours ago
makson
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okay, is the earth flat?

2 days, 7 hours ago
neveralone
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no it's not just like it's not for the flat Earth. if u ever want this debate to move forward u will need to leave past arguement behind

2 days, 7 hours ago
makson
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it isn't said directly, but it's said like for the flat earth

2 days, 15 hours ago
neveralone
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those are guesses on how long. it isn't the official time.

2 days, 22 hours ago
makson
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5 days + before Abraham (2000 years) and Abraham has lived before 4000 years (2000 yrs BC) so
5 days + ~2000 yrs + ~4000yrs = 6000yrs

2 days, 23 hours ago
neveralone
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the Bible itself doesn't say how old the earth is. people reading the Bible do.

3 days ago
makson
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Bible says God made humans 6-10k years ago and evolution says totally different things

3 days ago
neveralone
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proven God? never. nor do I think it ever will because God isn't something to be proven. now when has something science has shown that seems to go with the Bible. all the time.

3 days ago
makson
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when is the last time the science has proven God?

3 days ago
neveralone
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u r under the idea they go agaisnt each other and can't exist. they don't.

3 days ago
makson
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Other Christian said a different story, it's always like that.... Why do you believe that story of you can choose science what is not contradictable or impossible?

3 days ago
neveralone
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u r thinking biologically. God creates us. he chooses wether we live or not. do u think God would let them get pregnant when he's about to do the flood? no.

3 days, 1 hour ago
makson
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Do you really claim that in entire world there was no baby? If they were sinning so much, they would cheat their wives, right? That means baby comes because there was no condoms...

3 days, 1 hour ago
makson
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yes

3 days, 1 hour ago
neveralone
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unborn babies cant do anything much besides grow so they are definitely without sin.

3 days, 2 hours ago
neveralone
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with Benjamin Franklin.

3 days, 2 hours ago
makson
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And unborn babies?

3 days, 2 hours ago
makson
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I had a personal experience with him

3 days, 2 hours ago
neveralone
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it says he was man and son of God. for the flood thing that can be infered by it saying that there was nothing without sin. babies can't sin. ergo if there is no one without sin and babies can't sin the. there couldn't of been any.

3 days, 2 hours ago
neveralone
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it's amazing that u were there to hear him talk. most of us don't have such a chance.

3 days, 2 hours ago
makson
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But the Bible doesn't say Jesus wasn't half duck like it doesn't say there were no children in the flood

3 days, 4 hours ago
makson
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his voice was men's voice and in combination with his face, the chances he was a man are pretty big to become a fact

3 days, 4 hours ago

the point is that though it's obviously ridiculous it cant be disproven. except the women thing. just dig up his bones and do a dna sample to prove it's him and that it's male.

3 days, 4 hours ago
neveralone
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some women have guys faces.

3 days, 4 hours ago
makson
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his face was anatomically? men's face

3 days, 5 hours ago
neveralone
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people could of changed the paintings.

3 days, 6 hours ago
makson
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he didn't look like a woman

3 days, 6 hours ago
neveralone
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a link would still be interesting.

3 days, 6 hours ago
neveralone
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why can't u disprove that Benjamin Franklin is a women?

3 days, 6 hours ago
makson
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I'm talking about the big bang

3 days, 15 hours ago
makson
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If it's illogical, why can't you disprove it?

3 days, 15 hours ago
neveralone
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well in God intervening all the time I would say look what happened when he did. they would thank him for a little time and then go back to sinning usually doing more. society could also maybe be seen as a baby to God back then and needed strong guidance but now we are matured to child age and can look after ourselves a bit more. on healings and the such they still happen. not as often as in the Bible but they still do.

3 days, 19 hours ago
PsychDave
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Then why did God speak to so many people in the past? What happened that God became shy? People used to perform miracles in God's name, but now not even the Pope will heal dying children. What changed?

3 days, 19 hours ago
neveralone
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I already believe as such but I would be interested if u provided a link

3 days, 23 hours ago
neveralone
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exactly. it's illogical to believe Benjamin was a women or had a skunks tail just like it's ridiculous to think Jesus had a duck head

4 days ago
makson
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With the research, you will understand how something can come from nothing and something eternal.

4 days ago
makson
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same as duck headed Jesus and skunks tail

4 days ago
neveralone
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hit reply

4 days ago

God doesn't want to be proven. he wants to be trusted.

4 days ago
makson
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just answer me can you prove the existence of God? what I didn't answer?

4 days ago

ur going circular again. btw u didn't answer the debate.

4 days, 1 hour ago
makson
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Can you prove God exists?

4 days, 1 hour ago
neveralone
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where r u going with research? btw since u can't prove they didn't have a skunks tail or was actually a women then by ur logic they are women and they do have a skunks tail

4 days, 1 hour ago
makson
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Research about quantum fields

4 days, 2 hours ago
neveralone
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what?

4 days, 2 hours ago
makson
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I can't prove they don't. You don't understand quantum fields, research about them bit

4 days, 2 hours ago

btw plenty of great thinkers and inventors and scientist at least admit that the idea could be true so it isn't illogical.

4 days, 2 hours ago
neveralone
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it's illogical to think something can't come from nothing?ps. prove Alexander doesn't have a sounds tail or Benjamin wasn't a women.

4 days, 3 hours ago
makson
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there's no evidence of god's existence and it's illogical to think he exists. PS: You still haven't disproved Jesus with a duck - head

4 days, 3 hours ago

there is no evidence as such. and it's simply illogical to think he did.

4 days, 3 hours ago
makson
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can you prove he didn't have a duck head?

4 days, 4 hours ago
makson
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probably

4 days, 4 hours ago
neveralone
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exactly it doesn't say he had a duck head anywhere. it's ridiculous. also if someone had a duck head do u not think that's worth mentioning? ps do u seriously think he had a duck head?

4 days, 6 hours ago
neveralone
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must of linked u with someone else

4 days, 6 hours ago
makson
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How do you know that if the Bible doesn't say he wasn't?

4 days, 7 hours ago
makson
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I never said God can't

4 days, 8 hours ago
neveralone
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he was all man. there was no duck head. idk where u got that odd idea.

5 days, 6 hours ago
neveralone
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so u can give that trait to it but God can't possibly always have been here?

5 days, 6 hours ago
makson
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A man with a head of a duck

5 days, 8 hours ago
makson
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It had no beginning, it was happening always

5 days, 8 hours ago
neveralone
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I have a strange belief since the records show a man. not an weird Egyptian god

6 days, 5 hours ago
neveralone
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and what began that

6 days, 5 hours ago
makson
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Yes, he's omnipotent. Or in other case, only his head was a head of a duck. Everything was same, except his head.

6 days, 5 hours ago
makson
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the black hole wasn't supposed to start big bang, I mean it starts a contraction and the big bang is contracting always. The things got into existence because of quantum fields

6 days, 5 hours ago
neveralone
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u think that a human birthed a duck that could speak heal people (specifically said with hands so duck already out) cast out demons, walk on water, make food for thousands from bread and fish, take up all sin, get tortured and put on trial, nailed to a cross, stabbed in the side, rose from the dead after 3 days, and was also a man?

1 week ago
neveralone
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and where did the star come from if the black hole was supposed to start the big bang

1 week ago
makson
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It didn't. It came from like death of a star. PS: Jesus was a duck because there's no place in the Bible that says he wasn't.

1 week ago
neveralone
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so how did a black hole come from nothing

1 week, 1 day ago
makson
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Black holes are being bigger and bigger,,......

1 week, 1 day ago
neveralone
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do how can a black hole do that. and I would say he only has forever existed.

1 week, 1 day ago
makson
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I don't think I've said that, but God can't do both unless he stop existing and then start existing, then stop and start....... If God always existed, he couldn't have come from nothing. If God came from nothing, he couldn't have always existed

1 week, 1 day ago
neveralone
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u have said God can't exist forever and that he can't just come from nothing. yet u give these attributes to a black hole.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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what?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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these are things u have gone against when on the other side. u do realize that right?

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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Possibilities:
1) Came from? nothing
2) Always existed
3) Both
The big bang is both

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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just out of curiosity where exactly does it go and are u sure it's the same one. then simply replace black hole with universe on my last debate.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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The black hole doesn't exist always. universe does

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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and yet u rely on a black hole that has always existed and always will. does that not sound familiar but with less living qualities?

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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Yes. I don't need faith for black holes

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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this is the same arguement that u put on about if both were forgotten science would be the only thing remembered and again it relies completely on if the faith is wrong.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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The same results come from the same tests. People would conclude it in 1000 years if we forget it now

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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and before that and before that ect. u seem to put a lot of faith in a black hole forever existing.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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it will lose energy, stop expanding, the black hole will turn it to nothing and here we go again!

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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It didn't exist because the black hole before turned previous contraction into nothing.

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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or simply Revelations. take ur pick.

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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and from what I'm reading here it sounds like it didn't exist at one point. though if I remember correctly they beleive the universe was actually quite small and inflated to the size we see today and is continuing to expand.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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And it's contracting! For few billion years the giant black hole will turn everything to nothing and everything will start again (another contraction-another big bang)

1 week, 2 days ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.space.com/24781-big-bang-theory-alternatives-infographic.html

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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The big bang says the universe always existed and it's contracting. You obviously didn't know this, please educate yourself at this topic

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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idk haven't really looked into it much. there's obviously the big bang.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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Could you tell me other theories?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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that is one of many theories.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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Science is contradictable with God.
Science says universe always existed in one form or another.
Religion says God always existed.

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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I accept science for what it is. seeking truth. I enjoy it quite a bit. there is no compromise on my faith or how I look at science

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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Why don't you accept the science like it is, without supernatural and without mixes?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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I do both. there not agaisnt each other. I accept my ignorance in many areas and look to science and religion for answers. if u look at their differences that will be all u see but there are similarities as well.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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So, there's many things you don't know our believe in supernatural. Why don't you choose science?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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who knows. though forgetting is probably not something he does and not being able to is certainly not a weakness

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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Is he able now, since he's all powerful?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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he was able to forget.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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You say he can know everything and forget in same time

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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forget? he was human...

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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How can Jesus do that if he knows everything too?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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that's more on Jesus. though it might converge with God as well

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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So, God is able to learn, forget, remember or something like that? He can learn before and after knowing everything?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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theoretically. though the only one stated to know everything is God.

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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they all know everything?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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God is directly spoken on this though they all probably are

1 week, 2 days ago
makson
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so who of them knows everything?

1 week, 2 days ago
neveralone
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I read it. the best way I know is think of a map. the beginning and end is God. the actual path is Jesus and a guide would be the holy Spirit. they all are part of the map but each with there own jobs.

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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Explain it like how someone has explained it to you?

1 week, 4 days ago

do u know an easy way to explain the trinity?

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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you're answering by "It's hard to explain"

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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no I am answering a challenge

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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You're setting the things up for you

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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it's not an excuse if it's true.

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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that's just an excuse?
2k arguments!!!

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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it's a complex trinity. they are separate but also one. it gets very complex and I'm probably not the best at explaining it.

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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Jesus isn't the God, he's another person.

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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Jesus did a lot of the learning and I wouldn't say knowing everything makes u flawed.

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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Learning is an example.

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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what do u mean by impossible?

1 week, 4 days ago

You say God can do everything but he can't do some things that are impossible? Then he canNOT do everything.

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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u understand how it works. but to truly feel how it works is where Jesus comes in.

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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I see it's working, but I can't feel it working.

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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that is an debate inside the church

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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how can u know how a computer program works when ur not a computer?

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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He can make a mistake? He already did. (Noah's flood because he repented after that)

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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How can he know something if he has never done that?

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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being able to do something and doing it are two different things. u have the ability to kill why aren't u on a killing rampage?

1 week, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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he made us, our brain, and all our feelings. yes he knows what it feels like

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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Does God know how it feels when you do a mistake?

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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By having unlimited power, you can do everything, right? Everything includes mistakes.

1 week, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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that would be omniscience and no it does not include mistakes or ignorance. in fact omniscience requires the complete absence of ignorance.

1 week, 4 days ago
neveralone
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actually omnipotence just means unlimited or great power. it doesn't say anything about mistakes or things as such.

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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omnipotence includes making mistakes...

1 week, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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How about this:
it doesn't say, to my knowledge, that he can do anything anywhere in the bible. it says he's all powerful, and all knowing.

so yes, there are things he can't do, like mistakes, ignorance and weakness.

Good job, you just argued for gods greatness cause you proved he can't be anything but perfection :D

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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If you say "he can't" that means he's not omnipotent. He's beyond our understanding and he could do that, but he can't.

1 week, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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he can't do mistakes, he can't have a moment of weakness, he can't display ignorance.

Yes, he can't display flaws. that isn't a flaw.

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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"He can't do them" is contradictable with "he can do everything"

1 week, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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he can't not do them because they are against his nature, he can't do them because they are already done.

It's like saying Steven hawking can't learn basic physics (because he has long mastered them) therefore he must be an idiot.

And not being able to grow because you are everything is not a limitation!
Not being able to learn because you know everything is not a flaw!
Not being able to create something you can't lift because there is nothing you Can't lift is not a weakness!

1 week, 4 days ago
makson
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But if it's logically impossible it means it's against his nature. If he can't do things that are against his nature, he's not omnipotent. Here would addressing my previous argument come.

1 week, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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nothing about what he said suggests everyone is omnipotent.
The issue is omnipresence, not omnipotence.
Not being able to grow because you are everything is not an excuse. growing would be a logical impossibility in that situation.
And not being able to grow because you are everything is not a limitation!
Not being able to learn because you know everything is not a flaw!
Not being able to create something you can't lift because there is nothing you Can't lift is not a weakness!

Why is it that every time I open this thread I see the same failing argument!
Are you najam or something? (I know your not, just driving the point home, hopefully)

1 week, 5 days ago
makson
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that's just an excuse. by your logic, everyone is omnipotent. "If you occupy all space, is there anywhere to grow?" is an excuse. It means "it's against his nature", but whatever you ask me 'can I do something?', I can just provide an excuse or "it's against my own nature"

1 week, 5 days ago
neveralone
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if u occupy all space is there anywhere to grow? depends what u define as grow. technically he could go in human form and then grow in size but he occupies all space so...haha

1 week, 5 days ago
makson
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He didn't really grow? Is he able to really grow?

1 week, 5 days ago
neveralone
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the arguement right below urs answers that.

1 week, 6 days ago
makson
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if he's omnipotent he could grow without a phisycal manifestation? how?

1 week, 6 days ago
neveralone
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well I was going to say when he comes in human form but he is still omnipresent then so he didn't really grow but how can an omnipresent being even grow when it occupies all space?

1 week, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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How can an omnipresent being grow?
they did not mean mentally, they meant physically. god isn't even physical.

1 week, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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neveralone assumed as such from a more philosophical standpoint and replied with a question rather than an answer of certainty.

my response also had the qualifier of "life as we define it" because the definition of life can change. we've only ever experienced one kind of life, our own. making final assumptions on such a small pool of examples is stupid.

You too should add alittle uncertainty to your uncertain statements, because your argument becomes weak if you are repeatedly wrong. I agree with your conclusion, god is most likely not alive, but your definition of life was dead wrong.

1 week, 6 days ago
neveralone
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click the reply button

1 week, 6 days ago
makson
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so you can't prove existence of something alive, everywhere, doing good things?

1 week, 6 days ago
neveralone
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yeah haha

1 week, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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going on 2k, I can see that lol

1 week, 6 days ago
neveralone
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I replied to it.

1 week, 6 days ago
makson
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And neveralone? said he is

1 week, 6 days ago
neveralone
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i said that out of annoyance and will delete. I don't truly think so.

1 week, 6 days ago
neveralone
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well he could technically grow. now reproducing is a bit harder. Jesus is a direct son but wasn't made through sex or other such reproducing methods but is still technically God's direct son.

1 week, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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god is not alive by our definition because he does not grow and does not reproduce.

1 week, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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evolution is the only sensible explanation that fits all the evidence we find.

not a few cherry picked scenarios while ignoring alternative explanations and ignoring conflicting evidence. ALL OF IT.

there is no viable alternative to evolution.
And no intelligent design is not an alternative. It's many flaws and assumptions aside, all it says is that there must be a designer. it says nothing about the design which may as well include evolution. likewise evolution only describes the process, not the source of the process.

so intelligent design literally says nothing.

1 week, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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no it doesn't

1 week, 6 days ago
makson
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definition of alive includes consuming food and breathing

1 week, 6 days ago
neveralone
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why wouldn't he be?

2 weeks ago
makson
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is God alive?

2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that doesn't show brains it shows stupidity and lack of curiosity. science explores the unknown and asks the infinite question of why. it gladly tries to find out strange and new things. not do surveys and learn nothing.

2 weeks ago
makson
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Yes.
1) Human fossils are graduated an more complex then for an example Lucy.
2) 1% of people in Africa have evolved to be immune to AIDS, so HIV can't make it.
3) DNA comparation.
4) Comparative anatomy.
5) Molecular biology.

2 weeks ago
makson
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Because people are getting smarter

2 weeks ago

Makson, can you prove evolution created us?

2 weeks ago
makson
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trying... and they never will

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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how many scientist and researchers are trying to prove it? any that have tried become laughing stocks and anything they info they find gets tossed.

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I know they've used reason.... Your life is based at believing in an unproven book?

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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they also had logic and reason and used both as well. else they couldn't use that system. either ur wanting religion to seem to only be used by illogical people or being intellectually dishonest. u remember how I said unless ur open to the idea this will get nowhere?

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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And they used it like this:
Available:
1) religion
2) nothing
Eliminate:
2) nothing
Use:
religion

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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that system has been used in that time and probably before then. it's one of the oldest systems.

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Aristotle didn't know how it works, he was just amazed. It has to do something with it because they have used the system of elimination.

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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that has nothing to do with it. also Aristotle is another example why saying the age doesn't matter isn't true.

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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But those people didn't know about the evolution (except Aristotle but noone took it as real)

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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that doesn't change anything?. there was still plenty of logic and wisdom. to say that means nothing of that time has any worth when it obviously does.

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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In this case it does because people didn't know almost anything about science

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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age doesn't make it a lie. or else the idea of gravity is a lie.

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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So your life is based at faith that 2000 years old book is real? Seriously?

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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not really. to actually prove the Bible u would have to have Jesus to come down and say it. which all things considering u wouldn't want. that is the start of Revelations

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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yes, but it's same

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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u did read the part where I said it didn't prove it right?

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I didn't only looking up to Google translate and we've passed through that, I said "nevermind"...

2 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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If I write a book with real places and events and include an unicorn, would that unicorn be real?

2 weeks, 1 day ago

Makson, are you really looking for answers, or are you looking for reasons not to believe the Bible?

When I pointed out that a word from hebrew one time was mistranslated, you kept telling me that I was wrong because you put the word into google translate. I looked at the real and possible meanings of the word.

2 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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it shows real places and events. that may not fully show it but it certainly helps.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
makson
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you still haven't proved it is

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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so? saying penguins will fly isn't technically a lie. they do so now. on planes.haha
seriously though ur going back to the argument of if the Bible is trustworthy or not.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
makson
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I could claim whatever I want without time limit and it can't be disproven.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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there is a time. God's got it set and has said the signs for when it will happen. but a time limit isn't needed for something to make sense

2 weeks, 2 days ago
makson
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It doesn't make sense because a prophecy without a time limit can't be wrong. (there's always a next day so...)

2 weeks, 2 days ago
makson
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My prophecy: At 4010th year, penguins will start to fly.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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as a side note it is said only God knows when it will happen

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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if ur seeing everything happening in Revelations are u going to ask what time it's in?

2 weeks, 2 days ago
Nemiroff
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if prophecies don't come with a fulfill by date, they are pathetic and invalid. And definitely not worthy of prophets of a perfect god. they are scams perpetuated by frauds.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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it's their phrophcies so I don't think their going to get it wrong unless it doesn't come true. as a side note if u have been under the mindset of the Bible being wrong this whole time then it's no wonder we have been going on this long. if u don't change that then we won't be able to move forward.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
makson
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then they were wrong as BIBLE is

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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I think psychdave or nemiroff gave a percentage for the KJV which was 90 something percent accurate. most of the time it's how u interpret it. their are a ton of metaphors and similes in the Bible.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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well back then people described it looking like a square when they look out and a lot of people who just look would say the same. especially if their are four angels making the "corners" I would bet.

2 weeks, 2 days ago

well I don't think they know about spheres or to call them that back then. it would more than likely still be called a circle back then. it didn't sound like a mistranslation. I think my answer easily answers it.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
makson
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the whole Bible is mistranslated

2 weeks, 2 days ago
makson
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no, it looks like I'm on a circle plate.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
Nemiroff
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nice point, however, how do you explain Isaiah 40 22?

"he sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth"?

as for the corners line, at first i believed it was a reference to the 4 cardinal directions, but according to

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html

It's a mistranslation with the Greek work of quadrants which was a reference to maps.
@neveralone this is what others and I have tries to say when we said mistranslations can drastically change meanings.

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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when u look around there seems to be four sides doesn't it? this is from John. he was a man describing what he saw. if u saw four angels far out each in different? directions then u would probably describe it the same would u not?

2 weeks, 2 days ago
makson
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does 4 corners exist at sphere?

2 weeks, 2 days ago

Also, 4 corners argument doesnt prove anything

2 weeks, 2 days ago

1. The Bible isn't meant to be science book
2. That doesn't mean there can't be any science in it
3. God made stuff in such a way that it could be discovered.
4. Modern society had to catch up to the Bible's standards of medicine
5. Somehow a guy discovered that there are 10 dimesions in the Bible. Science has discovered that there are in fact 10 dimensions

2 weeks, 2 days ago
neveralone
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John. it is told by John. he had this as a prophesy.

2 weeks, 2 days ago

You cretins haven't got rid of this blasphemous post yet?
Only ingrates reject faith!

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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As far as God can see?

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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it is as far as he can see.
I did some quick research. apparently we discovered that the earth was round in bc while Revelations was written in ad.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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"angels at four corners", that means earth is square

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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u misunderstood it. if u read on it talks about holding the 4 winds of the earth. north,east, south,west. this is as far as he can see not a literal corner.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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if the Bible interprets anything close it would be that the earth isn't hold up by an animal. it says he created the heaven and the earth.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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Revelations 7:1

2 weeks, 3 days ago
Nemiroff
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where?

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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Bible says the world is flat

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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I meant something else...

2 weeks, 3 days ago
Nemiroff
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I've never seen the word hydrogen in the bible.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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science is a tool. it only tells what it's pointed to. at the same time God gave an answer to people about this science of that time was saying the world was flat.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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u must of misunderstood. if u are a baby should I start telling u the big bang theory and all details in exactly how I made it? no u wouldn't comprehend. God made it simple because we weren't ready for stuff as advanced for that time as atoms which we don't even fully understand today.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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Well, sciences does and a perfect being doesn't hmmm

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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According to the big bang:
1. Universe and darkness (always existed)
2. Hydrogen
3. Light
According to the Bible:
1. God and darkness (always existed)
2. Light
3. Hydrogen

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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the Bible Says he said let there be light. if u were about as smart as a cave man do u think God is going to go into details like atoms?

2 weeks, 3 days ago
Nemiroff
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hydrogen was the first atom. before hydrogen can exist, electrons have to first exist, and other subatomic particles.

And light wasn't the first thing to exist in the bible. first it was darkness. And you can have all the hydrogen in the world, its still darkness :P

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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Not really, but I'm talking about substances and the first matter was hydrogen. If hydrogen was first matter then light couldn't be the first thing that existed according to the Bible.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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I know. Still doesn't change literally anything.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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but God is not.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
Nemiroff
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light is matter.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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lights and sun are two different things.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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According to the Bible, light existed before matter. According to the big bang light got into existence after the matter (300000yrs)

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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yes

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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then it still fits.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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that it's likely?

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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In a way, yes.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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then prove it

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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u mean expanding instantly or very quickly.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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I can prove its likely but until Revelations it won't be proven.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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when you pump a balloon

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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Can you prove God exists?

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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I never gave that arguement so I didn't answer those questions because there is no reason.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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describe what u mean by a balloon.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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click replied to button to see what points

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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Big bang isn't described as an istant boom, it wasn't even an explosion. Big bang was like a ballon. The light has occurred 300000 years after the big bang.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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the big bang is described as an instant boom. much life if a God said let there be light... God's a different being than us do u think he counts time the same? depending how far u believe in evolution but even then u could argue that just like evolution animals were the clay for our mold. what points?

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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some things are eternal and they exist forever.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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Evolution without a big bang cannot occur. Also the first few days God couldn't make animals because animals evolved for billion of years. And God couldn't create humans because humans were created by animals. Also, what about other things I've said?

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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not really. evolution could simply be a tool.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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but it is contradictable surf Christianity

2 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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I didn't say that and I disagree with ur evolution statement.

2 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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neveralone, I know you don't have evidence of god's existence. But then you ask me "Can you prove he doesn't exist"...
1) How can I disprove something unproven?
2) By that logic we should believe in everything? unproven (Zeus, unicorns, superman...)
3) 1% of people in Africa who evolved to be immune to AIDS is proof of evolution and evolution is contradictable with religion.
4) Can you prove Zeus doesn't exist?

2 weeks, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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No defending the assumption that nonexistence is the default state?

2 weeks, 4 days ago
Nemiroff
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there's nothing contradictory between those 2.

2 weeks, 5 days ago

If i were to make an argument against the likelihood of the existence of god I would cite the recent developments in the research of the physics of "empty" space. Its far from empty and is bustling with quantum activity.

it appears that a vacuum is not nature's default state and nature actually abhors a vacuum. a vacuum is an extremely high energy state and the existence of matter is the lower energy state nature craves.

the point is that religion treats existence as some unlikely event when it appears increasingly to be the default state or things. why do we assume that without a creator nothingness will be the default.

of course nothing appears to be the logical default but with the discovery that nothing is far from empty, existence isn't just likely, it is a necessity.

2 weeks, 5 days ago
makson
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so there's a reason he is not omnipotent, because he's omniscient

2 weeks, 5 days ago
makson
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can he learn without throwing out his knowledge?

2 weeks, 5 days ago
Nemiroff
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this is an endless debate. My frustration is the identical point, not that the overall debate is long.

this is the ultimate debate.

2 weeks, 5 days ago
neveralone
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I feel the same If were still doing this at two thousand post then I'm going to other debates because this will go on forever at this rate.

2 weeks, 5 days ago

haven't checked in here in a while.
once again, not having a flaw does not take away from perfection.

if the reason one can't learn is because they already know everything, that's not a flaw.

1000 posts later, same argument.

2 weeks, 5 days ago
neveralone
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technically he could plausably repress knowledge to learn it again but there would be no sense in that.

2 weeks, 5 days ago
makson
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I'm not asking you why, I'm asking can he?

2 weeks, 5 days ago
neveralone
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why would God need to learn something?

3 weeks ago
makson
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I can learn. God can't since he's omniscient.

3 weeks ago
neveralone
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unless he thought the price was too high

3 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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that would technically go against the all powerful thing.

3 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I meant something God can't do even if he wants to

3 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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u can sin. logically he can't since sin is directly against his will

3 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Can I do something God can't? (something what doesn't fit his nature)?

3 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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God doesn't plan anyone to fail. u choose to go off the path can u blame God that it doesn't? work out?

3 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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And God planned we'll fail. Why?

3 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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no it isn't. we have a purpose here but we can fail to do it. each one is different.

3 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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many criminals are Muslim and Christian because the laws of a state are different with laws of holly book

3 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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death is not filling life purpose

3 weeks, 3 days ago

No criminal wants to die and go where false god police have no power.
They say there is no God so they can substitute police instead.
They say there is no heaven, so they can substitute Earth instead.

3 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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there is a difference between dieing without filling ur purpose and dieing after u have. life's purpose isn't death.

3 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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then why did you say not filling life purpose (death) isn't bad?

3 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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because they may not have filled their lives purpose yet.

3 weeks, 3 days ago
makson
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why do you pray for them not to die if death isn't bad?

3 weeks, 3 days ago
neveralone
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which is where it becomes obvious that God hand was in the situation. there is actually a hilarious movie that has (a little) bit of what happened in it. I believe it's Evan Almighty. though Bruce Almighty is good too and may actually help u understand God while getting plenty of laughs.

3 weeks, 4 days ago

I pray for many things. why do we die?

3 weeks, 4 days ago
makson
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Also, do you really believe 2 penguines walked all the way from Antarctica to the middle east to get abroad an ark built by a 500 year old man?

3 weeks, 4 days ago
makson
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then why? are you praying for starving children?

3 weeks, 4 days ago
neveralone
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death isn't evil in itself. it is an event that must happen. would u say puberty is evil?

3 weeks, 4 days ago
makson
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30k of kids die every day

3 weeks, 4 days ago
neveralone
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we help those kids all the time. it's our fault their lives are messed up not God's. churches and other donators help them all the time.

3 weeks, 4 days ago
makson
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he abandoned starving children in Africa

3 weeks, 4 days ago
neveralone
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well the books we are fairly sure who wrote them by tracing as best as we can. on God's guidance he never has abandon us.

3 weeks, 4 days ago
makson
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several books and God's guidance...

3 weeks, 5 days ago
neveralone
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which part?

3 weeks, 5 days ago
makson
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how do u know that?

3 weeks, 5 days ago
neveralone
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the Bible itself? no it's multiple writings that was put together I believe after Jesus died. before then it was several books and God's guidance.

3 weeks, 5 days ago
makson
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Did Bible even exist before the flood?

3 weeks, 5 days ago
neveralone
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he showed himself throughout the bible.if he is all knowing then he knows every way and believed this way was best. could u say ur all knowing?

3 weeks, 5 days ago

Road to 2k xddd

3 weeks, 5 days ago
makson
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A God is evil because he killed them all and didn't find better solution, like to show himself maybe?

3 weeks, 5 days ago
neveralone
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u did read the part where the earth was filled with evil right? babies more than likely weren't killed. there's no mention of children and even bigger point the Bible directly said the world was filled with evil. not innocence.

3 weeks, 5 days ago
makson
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If flooding all world including innocent babies isn't evil, I don't know what is.

3 weeks, 5 days ago
neveralone
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he hasn't done anything evil.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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he has done more evil than good

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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not doing something suddenly does something? you seem very interested in trying to get God to be evil when he has done so much good.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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He didn't make a one choice become a choice and he made evil because he didn't do that.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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he could but God doesn't do contradictions. he's got this world set up with reason and logic. what goes up must come down,ect.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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Can God make one choice become a choice?

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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not really no. it teaches that we have all sinned and as such no one just gets in. Jesus is the only way.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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wrong! Bible teaches that non-Christians should be executed.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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it's not wether it good or bad it's more about if u still have sin or not.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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hmm interesting. if it is like a program that could very well be true if such a choice has a determined outcome. but these are a lot of programs (people) to sift through. though God could do it I believe he has a more loose control over it so that it could truly be choice. like if a programmer made just the if and left the then to the program to go through and watched and sometimes made small corrections.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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If God can't make one choice become a choice, he's not all powerful.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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u don't understand choice. with only one choice it's not a choice.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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var world,atheist,christian,person,good_person,bad_person;
var believe;
if (person==believe){
atheist}else{
Christian}

christian=heaven=good_person;
atheist=hell=bad_person;


This is how God works (I included pseudo code because I don't have much time...)
And God doesn't even check the probability "Is atheist a good person?" or "Is Christian a bad person?" and thats not perfect like God should be.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
PsychDave
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That is the entire point. If God is the ultimate programmer, he knew how things would go before starting things in motion. That means, by setting the conditions for the choice, he has determined the outcome.

Yes, the people could try to move out of the way. Do you believe God wouldn't know which way they would move, or is he not responsible for pushing the rock that he knows will kill people?

Programs can decided things now. We set up an "if/then" line that gives them criteria. The flaw in that removing responsibility is that it was still set in motion intentionally. For example, a virus could make a decision like "if someone has money in their bank account, then transfer that money into my account". Is the programmer innocent since the program chose which was the right answer? God set every variable, meaning if you have to chose whether to turn left or right, he set up everything that would ever influence that decision. You may make the choice, but since he knew what his creation would cause you to decide, that choice is already determined.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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U really don't understand "all powerful"... God could give u only good and u could still have free will.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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on the program one if it can truly choose then the program could be at fault depending on if God asked (it?) to or if it did itself.

why did they just stand there? theoretically if he did that would be God but a stone can't make that choice.

in a way God is the ultimate programmer haha

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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u do realize that there are only two choices only? good or evil. though neutral is technically a choice in mundane things the important stuff only has these two.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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certain parts are most certainly set. that's why there's phrophcies all over the Bible. but if we're talking about Revelations then that can literally be anywhere. please read it sometime so u can have a better understanding

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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He is still somehow not sure if future is set...

3 weeks, 6 days ago
PsychDave
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The problem I have with the argument that God gave us a choice and we chose evil is that God is described as all knowing and all powerful. That means he knew the consequences of every action he made when creating the world. If he knew everything that would ever happen, he would know that a slight difference in creationism would change the outcome and chose to make it as it is.

Compare that to someone writing a program that does exactly what they want. The program can make decisions based on experience and input, but the programmer is responsible for what it does. If someone created a computer program that shut down power to a major city, could they claim that it chose to?

A simpler analogy is that God started a rock rolling down a hill when he created the world. He can claim that the rock chose to roll over some people and not others, but if he knew exactly where it would go when he pushed, he chose to kill those people.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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Jesus didn't die for our sins:
Ezekiel 18:1-30
Deuteronomy 24:16
Psalm 49:7
Jeremiah 31:30

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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HE COULD GIVE ME CHOICE BUT NOT ABILITY TO DO EVIL. Unless he's not all powerful!

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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Future is set. If Bible supports renewing earth (future) then it's set.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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because God gave u choice he is evil? so saving billions of billions of lives don't matter? or creating those lives? or resurrecting people? or sending his son to die for u? or giving u a chance to live a righteous life? all that suddenly doesn't matter because he gave u choice? which is something most would cherish.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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thank u

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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that is Revelations. that is not the entirety of that story either if u read on u would come to where God renews the earth and we live their with Him.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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Mathew 25:46 for hell
Mathew 5:17-20 for heaven

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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1) God can do everything
2) God could make humans without ability to do evil but with free will. And not become a dictator or hypocrate...
3) God didn't do that.
4) God is evil.

3 weeks, 6 days ago

Also, u always said "they are now in heaven!"(for babies), and u say that for them today. There's more then 144000 victims so they aren't all in heaven. Where's the justice for those who went to hell?

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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how "they don't watch us" has to do with that? They don't have to, they don't know ANYTHING. Quote the Bible anywhere, were it says that dead go to heaven or hell.

3 weeks, 6 days ago

that seems more like a statement. power and morals don't have a correlation besides argueable corruption. Hitler certainly had morals but to us they were messed up. but so did JFK but he tried what he thought was good as well and is usually looked on as a great person. unless ur Cuba,Russia, or the mob.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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because they don't watch us and get prizes? that seems far fetch. especially since heaven and hell are both everywhere in the Bible.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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I don't have credit card if I even need it.. nvm

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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click "replied to" button

3 weeks, 6 days ago
makson
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If dead know nothing and there's no reward for them, therefore they don't exist.

3 weeks, 6 days ago

Get this post off

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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u can check it out on YouTube. it cost 4 bucks though.

3 weeks, 6 days ago
neveralone
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or spiritual. idk but the Bible never says he invisible. theoretically I see no reason why he couldn't be space per say

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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idk which question can u ask it again?

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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u misunderstood. it's talking about on earth. u see we believe that the only ghost is the holy ghost. the dead have no reason to be with the living.

4 weeks ago
makson
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could u provide a link?

4 weeks ago
makson
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if he's not invisible and he's everywhere he's one word: space

4 weeks ago
makson
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no, now answer me on question (click"replied to"button few times)

4 weeks ago
makson
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So they're slaves (robots) in heaven and hell because they don't know nothing anymore? If they know nothing, they're not concious and if they are souls, therefore souls aren't concious.

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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it was midnight u think those people are wide awake. also did u see the documentary?

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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well he isn't really invisible as much as not physical.

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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figuring out what someone will say next.

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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it says they know nothing and get no reward. there isn't a reward system once ur dead u either go to heaven or hell.

4 weeks ago
makson
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what? Also, why wouldn't u prove god's existence?

4 weeks ago

prove it

4 weeks ago
makson
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It's a lie. It's a legend. First of all, their parents would ask them where are they going. But hey I'll make theories:
1) God.
2) Coincidence
3) Negative energy forced his dreams to change.
4) He's a liar.
5) He didn't dream that, his friend warned him because he saw enemy.
6) Why would God allow the rest of village to be burnt down and everyone die?

4 weeks ago
makson
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ohh...
Anyone can debate he'll never make me stop believing in his words.

4 weeks ago
makson
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I'm not finding excuses to anyone

4 weeks ago
makson
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I asked how, because he is invisible, all knowing,all powerful and omnipresent creature that is supposed to do good but it doesn't.

4 weeks ago
makson
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?

4 weeks ago
makson
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"The dead know more nothing"
and
"There's no more reward for them"
means afterlife doesn't exist. After that, it says dead people are forgotten.

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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man tell me about this one. there is a guy in Africa. when he was a boy he was dreaming when God came to him. God told him he must get out of his village immeaditly. so he woke up and was heading out when his friend say him and went with him. when they got out of the village they looked back and saw that there village was attacked and burned down to the ground. that were the only survivors. he still hears God today and if u want proof watch father of light.

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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ok now I understand what ur talking about. no I mean I wanted to know who is debating for the Christians for that because it was very weak arguements.

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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words of anger apologies. well u are trying to do good so I'll give u points on that.haha

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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apologies I seem to have read between the lines. though I don't recall u asking anyone.in a way I warped what u said but when u first started here u said u couldn't believe anyone could believe in God today and it insults me because I do.

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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that's what that's about?

4 weeks ago
neveralone
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it states that people forget the dead.

4 weeks ago
makson
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yes, all

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I am not making up anything. If it isn't proven it doesn't mean it's not true.
Familiar now?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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lol, and how am I doing it for a perfect being?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I never said u have low iq, I just asked because I asked everyone. I didn't say u r troll I just assumed. When did I call religion a joke and how that insults u?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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did logical chain help u? It does not even have to be logical (it is), u can predict what am I going to say so do it until u r not sure

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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It witnesses heaven and hell don't exist.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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some cases not all but good try.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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not really I'm not even sure what ur trying to say herw

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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excuses? the only one doing that is u

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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well insinuating low iq(it's not btw but no I'm not giving such info online) and calling of a troll are certainly personal attacks and of course calling a religion a joke is to name a few

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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none of what u r saying is logical.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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yes?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I could do all those things and not be a dictator

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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It's scientifically proven. It's like NDE when u see God, heaven, light, Jesus...

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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qoute what?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I am making something that's not proven up? Does that sound familiar to u?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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do u know what a dictator is because u most certainly would be one

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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and that is why we are having difficulty. u refuse to take a different perspective therefore all arguement is empty

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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What personal attacks? I think u r troll because u r searching for excuses to an perfect being (so logical)

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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I mean the people else I would say ur making them up.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I could make it right.


Do logicals conclusions please, I am tired of this type of explaining.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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u do not need to know my iq. just because I disagree with ur arguement does not make a troll. I would stay away from personal attacks else u would become the real.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Help: Eccle 9:5 (read it)

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I want u to quote that.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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that does not make them right. else Hitler is a martyr and black people should be slaves

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I could do all those things and not be a dictator.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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yes, of course

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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that is Revelations. though I'm glad u read it u misunderstood it. which seems a common theme.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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No, I as a believer in his word don't need evidence. I believe in that. Evidence of his words: He said he is male so that makes his words true.
(Does it seem kinda familiar to u?)

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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what people believe and what is are two different things.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I wonder what's ur iq, I always want to know what info with people I'm talking to. U seem like a troll xd

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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so u think something outside ur body trying to contact u (or not try to be different)would feel exactly like ur subconscious?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I could make morals with power

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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People that are in heaven now. Also Bible says only 144000 people will go to heaven and victims of those evil things are much bigger numbers of that so ur argument fails.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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I perfectly understand all powerful. u misconceive that since u r all powerful u must fling it around without a care in the world.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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If I couldn't make them stop believing I'm a dictator I am not all powerful.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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could u cite some.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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no u can't. noone can in those situations

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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that is the most corrupt statement I have heard and wasn't very logical. morals are not made with power.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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children?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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they most definitely would. u can literally pick a random person and tell them that u are going to take choice out of the equation but still give u free will and they would look upon u as a dictator God.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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what's ur iq (just asking)?
Because u don't understand what "all powerful" means. Answer with yes or no:
Can God make contradictions stop contradicting each other?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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haha I'm glad u know exactly all there is about God and Jesus and the subconscious. I can easily tell the difference between the two.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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did this help u?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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yes they were professional...

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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again no. he could force u but then u are a slave and it really doesn't matter what words u use the life wouldn't be ur own

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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I mean professional. the answers given were weak at best. it sounds like he just picked up people off the street.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Hitler couldn't manipulate other people minds like I could. (It wouldn't be evil because I would be all powerful).

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Where does Bible strictly say people like that are in heaven? Also if they died because evil and now they're in heaven, evil still exists.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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do u think Hitler thought he was evil? how about Khan? or NK? No one believes themselves to be evil but without guidance anyone can.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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lol

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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If i would? be all powerful, those people won't think I'm a dictator. Why do I have to tell u those things, u can also do logical conclusions...

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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ur laughing about that? he is in heaven, getting food from churches and other help organizations, UN, really the weather? the news is getting better and better at predicting them, all will get justice.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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No, it's not. The Jesus u r talking about is ur subconscious.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Then God isn't all powerful because he can't make contradictions stop contradictong each other.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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God is out of the loop of a lot of things.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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yes they were, what kind of question is that?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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maybe in ur mind but definitely not in theirs. u would become a dictator and they would try to overthrow u every chance they get.

4 weeks, 1 day ago

Maybe this chain logic would help u understand the term 'all powerful' (only facts):
1) I am all powerful
2) I can do literally everything
3) I can make contradictions stop contradicting each other
4) I can make evil and good be the same
5) I can do evil and not be evil
6) I can make a square circle
7) If I can make contradictions stop contradicting each other then I can pull away ability from people to do evil and still leave them free will.
8) Then I can feel free love without a source
9) I can stop evil and leave humans free will
10) I am all powerful (If I can't do those things, I am not all powerful therefore I can do all those things. I am beyond ur understanding. Dont put me in box I can't fit.)

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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no. it's two separate things. Jesus is very much different than ur subconscious.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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it still would be. no matter what u do a circle and square together will always contradict. now God has done things that do contradict natural law but when it comes to reasoning or what we believe it's the same no matter how many times God makes a square circles it will always contradict.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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well then it is a different matter but not all together. were any of these people actual Christian debaters?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Since I would be all powerful, I would make me do all these things and not become evil.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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haha
what about that little kid who drowned, starving child in Africa, wars, tsunamis, earthquakes, vulcano eruptions, robbers, murders, homeless people and so on.....?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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When u refer to anyone, that excludes God?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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no, I would be all powerful! People would still have choices.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Jesus=ur subconscious

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Square circle is also a contradiction!!!
Since I would be all powerful it wouldn't be a contradiction.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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real life = rl

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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by doing so u have become evil. there is no misconception.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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he has already has beaten evil.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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God isn't just anyone

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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then u have taken choice

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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two separate things

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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u would make a contradiction

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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actually magazine

4 weeks, 1 day ago

u said rl and the first thing that came up was a newspaper

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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making people with free will but not slaves does stop evil because they wouldn't have ability to do evil. What's ur misconception with this?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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stopping evil

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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no one can do that means God can't do that which means he's not all powerful.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I would make it we can choose but we would not have ability to do evil.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Jesus (ur subconscious)

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I would do that without slaves, since I would be all powerful.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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wtf, no! He argued with preachers and other Christians...

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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true but debating as one can help ur arguments dramatically?.
making circle squares and people without free will but are not slaves stops evil?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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I mean I don't understand what u were saying there.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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make it to where we cant choose? without that choice there are chains bringing u down depending on ur definition of evil. I could say that doing anything besides going to work going home and sleeping is evil. now no one can do that. would that not become problematic? u can't beat perfection and I don't expect u to. though I will help make a better plan.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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we are both mixed up on this. what parlor trick?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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u think having slaves is a better solution? when u want to know someone and vise versa do u not want it to be an honest event?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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he got it from a magazine?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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lol, I am not an adult officialy xd
but that doesn't change anything.
"I would use it for useful things instead of RETARDED things"and I'm talking about stopping evil. It's a logical conclusion.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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If God can do everything, it makes sense.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Why didn't he do that? It's mine solution and it's better than God's. With my solution everything would be the same except people wouldn't have ability to do evil. I am not perfect, how is possible that I got better solution then a perfect being? Does it make u question ur religion?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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What reply are u talking about? I thought we r talking about parlor trick.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Then why didn't he do that? He did worse solution then mine and people still have ability to do evil.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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in RL

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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I never said that. please be an adult and debate what I say not stuff I haven't said.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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none of that statement made sense

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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I didn't say he can't I said it's ridiculous.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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that wasn't my reply

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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he is all powerful so theoretically yes but the idea is ridiculous

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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where did he get them?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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U just said stopping evil would be retarded. lol

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Hahahahahah u said world needs reason and logic!!!! Come with urself!
U r running of the topic, click replied to button few times and then reply

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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He can't do ridicules things? U just admitted he can't do contradictions.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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ur reply

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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I didn't ask u that. I asked can he?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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He picked all debates he had

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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the why is one of the most useful questions. if there is no reason God doesn't do it. if I could hold my breath that long I am not doing it as party tricks I would use it for useful things instead of retarded things.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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he can and be retarded but the world needs reason and logic.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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again it's a contradiction and ridiculous.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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was what?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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why? why in the world would he there is no reason it's ridiculous.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
neveralone
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he gave the answer to his opponents. depends on who and what. those are weak debates so at best he picked the weak ones to attack.

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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Why would he make square circle?
It's not about why, it's about can he. It's like if ur friend tells u to hold breath for 30 minutes, and u tell him u don't want to do that because it's unnecessary (hint: u can't do that).

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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then what is?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
makson
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So God can't dk retundand ideas?

4 weeks, 1 day ago
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