The God isn't real

April 16, 2017, 10:31 am

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The debate "The God isn't real" was started by makson on April 16, 2017, 10:31 am. 103 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 185 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

makson posted 1093 arguments, human posted 6 arguments, neveralone posted 39 arguments, M3phisto posted 3 arguments, Nemiroff posted 2 arguments, Kulu posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
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makson
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Time is going here since the big bang happened. Everything is so managed by time too, when universe was singularity even almost nothing was managed

1 month, 3 weeks ago

Well I agree to Disagree ur point my Frnz As Science Hasnt proved it...it does not mean that its unreal or absort..If God wouldnt be there then how the time is going on..hw everything is so managed??How??I dnt knw whether their is any Particular God or Lord as we imagine...bt I strong believe there may be something i mn some superior power or force which is considered as God

1 month, 3 weeks ago

And hey, I can claim Zeus or Shiva or Thor want to be trusted and not proven.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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okay, don't answer them again.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it's doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. we would simply come back here but at four thousand posts instead.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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kinda

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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do you know the definition of insanity?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Then you can answer again.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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there very oversimplified so I'm not surprised they sound illogical.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I disagree at all those points because they're just illogical.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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must of been how I read it. apologies. though I do not recall putting "it is how it is"

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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What heat? when I posted that comment before, you said like "yes, it is how it is"

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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what's with the heat? those are drastic oversimplifications of what my debates were. I am simply defending my side.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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1. Can God leave a certain place if he's omnipresent?
-U can't put the God in the box.
2. If God knows everything, does he know how it is not to know everything?
-Trough Jesus
3. If God knows everything and can everything, can he forget?
-Trinity
4. What was the source of light first 2 days?
-Something
5. How did those women just spawn in the Bible if only people on earth didn't make her?
-Demons
6. How did those animals get in Noah's ark?
-God told to insects (which is contradictable with Bible because Bible says Noah collected them)

Do you have any argument for god's existence? any? cosmological or ontological, literally any?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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which would be useless... haha we got problems if we're here just debating on the debate title. haha alright I'm going to stop this one until it gets active again.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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If we make a debate "God is real", it would be totally same, except I will click "no" and you'll click "yes".

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I don't spam the app. I have defended my position as such. would you not think it would be frivolous to make a debate on God is real?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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And you can always send an argument why do you disagree. you haven't done that

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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but it goes under the assumption God isn't real. which since many people believe he is makes this arguement into what it has been. is God real or not.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I wouldn't think so, because it means you can claim literally everything connected with this

1 month, 3 weeks ago

I believe I have usually been fairly open but this debates title doesn't even allow for openness. I have been defending my faith as best I can and trying to help others understand. the title to this debate itself is close minded.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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God is outside of time. literally. he made time.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I give up... You seem like very close minded person

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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if there was no time, nothing couldn't happen

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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no he wouldn't but he did so we could grow. unless you would like to be a statue for eternity

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it's was created by God though. until then there was no time

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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It's Circular reasoning because he would not have it to start it

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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there's no end because time is infinite and God always existed. no end...

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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at that moment there wasn't. then God started it.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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correction Imagine a time line. go left. when you reach the end go a little further. there's God.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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if there's no such thing, you can't have it

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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try imagining a timeline. Imagine the creating of the universe, and since God always existed, imagine when you go left and left and left.... there's no end. it's infinity time. God had to spend that time.

1 month, 3 weeks ago

if there was no time then it is non-existent and has no value and is illogical to think you have no time when there's no such thing. I already have said plenty of times no.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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if there was no time, God didn't have time to create time. Address y/n question.

1 month, 3 weeks ago

it's not a red herring it's a fact. I have said several times he does not need time to create.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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red herring. Did God have to spend infinity time before taking an action? (y/n)

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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there was no time before God he created everything.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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If God always existed, he had to spend Infiniti time until one point.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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he doesn't need infinite time. he chose that moment. sure he could do it any other time but that was when he chose to. their was no requirement of time.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I don't need infinite time to do that because I wasn't existing always. I just can't explain it to you. There's always before for God and he is omnipotent being that means he shouldn't have to wait Infinity time to actually do that.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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then you need an infinite time to do everything. he did it when. he wanted. it's that simple.

1 month, 3 weeks ago

punishment and what is sin are two different things. like with your crucified kid. Jesus was for forgiveness most of the time. we are told to help the poor. and the rest of that sounds like something made to the extremes to be against Christians when we don't believe that. we are against homosexuality. we don't kill them. we believe marriage should be a sacred act between man and wife. we again do not kill people for doing it outside marriage. it directly said in the Bible to to dicsipline your kid it doesn't say kill him. plenty of people have to work the Sabbath and that is more of a Catholic thing but technically it is still ours but again we don't kill them. and the two fiber thing was wiped away a long time ago. you need to read what actually happens. Jesus taught forgiveness and kindness. you seem to have gotten a warped veiw of it. also welcome to the app

1 month, 3 weeks ago
Kulu
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So by your logic watching someone suffer an unjust punishment such as being crucified for stealing is not a sin? Deciding to leave and abandon the poor, hungry and diseased is not a sin? Not clarifying Gods order to kill homosexuals, non virgin brides, those who criticise their parents, sabath workers, and those who wear clothes off two fibres is not a sin. I find plenty wrong with the actions of Jesus but seems your God is ok with that. Are you?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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yes. that's why he needed infinity time to do it

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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that's an infinite question. why didn't he do it before then and gen before then ect. he chose that time.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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he didn't need what?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Why didn't he do that earlier so we could be better civilisation by now?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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he didn't need it. sure it was there just like any of our actions but it wasn't needed.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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he could of but he chose that time. this is like asking why someone slept then. sure he could of done it later but he chose then.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I know.
syngll:
1) God always existed.
2) God existed before any action.
3) Every time God did something, he could of have done it earlier.
4) Therefore God needs infinity time before he does an action because he existed always before that action.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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he couldn't do it earlier?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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always existing not always doing something

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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always existing not always doing something

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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when he started it.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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if God always existed, he needed infinite amount of time to make a universe. because always existed means infinity

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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1) When could he make universe earliest time?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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2) I don't follow your logic there. does it take you an infinite time to do things?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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1) what do you mean when is the most before? are you asking why he didn't do it earlier?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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2) God existed always and therefore his every action needs infinity time to be done. Why did he need infinity time to create a universe?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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1) When is the most before?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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2) could you explain what you mean

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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1) why should he?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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1) When could he start the universe most early? (when he wanted to) but why didn't he do it before?
2) Why did it take infinity time for an omnipotent being to make a universe?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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okay

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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could you explain what you mean here?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I asked if you would include them on crime and you said no. it's the same here.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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When could he want to make universe most early? why did it take infinity time to an omnipotent being to do that?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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"everyone" includes them

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I think either were talking about two different things or I'm just not understanding your question.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it's the same here. you wouldn't count that for crimes we don't count it for sin.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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whenever he wanted.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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red herring. When could he want to make universe most early? why did it take infinity time to an omnipotent being to do that?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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no but they aren't sinful and you said everyone is

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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whenever he wanted.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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if u we're counting how many people havent done a crime do you include them?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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When if the earliest moment God could make a universe and why did he need infinity time to do that?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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and what about babies who lived 1 second?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it does refer to infinity.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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and I and everyone else have failed it one way or another.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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that doesn't refer to time

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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God told you not to sin...

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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there is technically an infinite amount of numbers between 0-1 for example, .1, .2, .3... it can literally go on forever but there is also an infinite amount of numbers like 1, 2, 3... such is the debate of if there is a bigger infinity.

1 month, 3 weeks ago

no my friend. my morality isn't that. I base my morals on what God tells me. there has only been one person who has never sinned in their life. his name was Jesus and we crucified him.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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can you explain what do you mean?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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You do because your morality is based like: don't sin and you'll go to heaven

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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that gets into the argument of if there can be a smaller infinity or not. like there are an infinite amount decimal numbers between 0-1 but some think that the literal infinite amount of numbers we could count to should be considered bigger. ur arguement relies on this arguement.

1 month, 3 weeks ago

I don't live to go to heaven. but a chance nonetheless.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Can you address this?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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you don't? you live to go to heaven. I believe in such a small chance because... The chance isn't really that much small, the number I used is just an example. The chances for a star to explode are the chances we're talking about. it's small chance for star to explode, but sometimes it will. and because the chances aren't really big, that's why I love life

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I dont. but does it not seem strange to you that you believe in such a miniscule chance happening when stuff around you seems to have a order to it?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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yes. That's why you shouldn't live to die

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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but it's still a chance and an even extremely smaller one than the coin example

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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more times you repeat it, the bigger are the chances

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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the more sides the less of a chance

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Now, a lot of people believe this is big bang:
Something exploded and came from nothing.
Or:
The universe has always existed in a smaller form and then it exploded.
But the real big bang theory is far more different:
The universe existed always. When there was nothing, except the quantum fields what are always there, the matter got into existence because quantum fields (hard to explain why) and it was concentrated at very small place without space. Like if we remove all space between atoms, the whole universe without space was in a small place. Then it started expanding due to energy overload. Before time, it had time to get into existence because time is illusion and time = space. After many billions of years, the giant black hole will turn the universe into nothing and everything will start again (hard to explain why the black hole does that). And one that process is called a contraction. Universe is always contracting and will always contract. Now, to disprove creationism and first two incorrect theories....
Imagine a time line. You can put infinite time on it. The God existed always. If he existed always, and if he made a universe 13.8 billions years ago, why did it take infinity? for him to make a universe? He could do that 1000000000 billions years ago, but since the infinity is the term we're talking about, we will end up with the same conclusion.
Attempt of illustration:
...----------!----
! = Big bang;
If you go left:
...---!-----
There's still infinity, so if something always existed like that, the problem is the big bang point. He could do it before and even if he did, we would end up with same conclusion. The nothing I was referring to means nothing without matter and with quantum fields because other nothing doesn't exist and nothing without matter and without quantum fields can't exist. Therefore God isn't eternal or infinite, and he doesn't exist because the whole theory is pointless if he didn't always existed. This anti-evidence doesn't work for the big bang (contractions) theory because it has always been contracting and there's no single point we can refer to.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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if you flip a coin with 1000000 different sides (ik it's not possible but just figuratively), the chance depends how many times will you flip it.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it is a very small chance though. sure if I flip a coin technically it's a fifty fifty shot but it is still very possible that everytime I flip it I get heads and never get tails.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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It happened by a chance because the chance was repeated many times

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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exactly. it's awesome but unbelievably lucky that it happened by chance. that just the right amount of everything came together and made all this

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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life came from very complex molecules. it was not literal nothing

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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something coming out of nothing? or even life coming from all this.

1 month, 3 weeks ago

Now, a lot of people believe this is big bang:
Something exploded and came from nothing.
Or:
The universe has always existed in a smaller form and then it exploded.
But the real big bang theory is far more different:
The universe existed always. When there was nothing, except the quantum fields what are always there, the matter got into existence because quantum fields (hard to explain why) and it was concentrated at very small place without space. Like if we remove all space between atoms, the whole universe without space was in a small place. Then it started expanding due to energy overload. Before time, it had time to get into existence because time is illusion and time = space. After many billions of years, the giant black hole will turn the universe into nothing and everything will start again (hard to explain why the black hole does that). And one that process is called a contraction. Universe is always contracting and will always contract. Now, to disprove creationism and first two incorrect theories....
Imagine a time line. You can put infinite time on it. The God existed always. If he existed always, and if he made a universe 13.8 billions years ago, why did it take infinity? for him to make a universe? He could do that 1000000000 billions years ago, but since the infinity is the term we're talking about, we will end up with the same conclusion.
Attempt of illustration:
...----------!----
! = Big bang;
If you go left:
...---!-----
There's still infinity, so if something always existed like that, the problem is the big bang point. He could do it before and even if he did, we would end up with same conclusion. The nothing I was referring to means nothing without matter and with quantum fields because other nothing doesn't exist and nothing without matter and without quantum fields can't exist. Therefore God isn't eternal or infinite, and he doesn't exist because the whole theory is pointless if he didn't always existed. This anti-evidence doesn't work for the big bang (contractions) theory because it has always been contracting and there's no single point we can refer to.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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what is chaotical in that?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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you understand that that doesn't make sense?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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there was no explosion, it might sound chaotically but it isn't

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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you don't think a world coming out of a black hole is chaotic?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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what chaos?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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idk all the laws but that there are some certainly seems interesting for a universe born out of chaos.

1 month, 3 weeks ago
makson
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How do you explain supernatural with all laws included?

1 month, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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what?

2 months ago
makson
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I can't find the source right now, it means 3 days pause

2 months ago

btw I won't be on here tomorrow or the day after.

2 months ago
makson
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it's illogical because if he's everywhere, his voice is everywhere

2 months ago
neveralone
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depends on how he wishes to he heard.

2 months ago
makson
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There's no much similarities? I am bored to give you all the similarities, but I'll do it tomorrow. When God speaks, everyone can hear him because he's omnipresent, right?

2 months ago
neveralone
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he isn't in that one spot more than everywhere else. he just gives u something to look at to help. if a voice just comes booming everywhere around u would u not be freaked out? its pretty much a courtesy to u.

if u mean the egyptian god Horus then no there isn't much similarities.

2 months ago
makson
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It's illogical to be everywhere and in one place more then that something can come from nothing.
PS: How do you explain the similarities with Horus and Jesus? It's too much to be a coincidence

2 months ago
neveralone
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this is again the physical manifestation of God.

2 months ago
makson
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If God sits on a throne above the circle of earth, he's not omnipresent because he's only at one place - throne.

2 months ago
makson
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if the"corners" is mistranslation, that's it's true meaning?

2 months ago
neveralone
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it says so right after that. that the angels release the four winds.

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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ah we are back on this!
great I've been meaning to ask.

you say sphere does not have corners, therefore 4 it means earth is flat.

I quoted "he sits on a throne above the circle of the earth"

And you said "it's a flat circle" (I don't know how, maybe random guess? lol)

But even if it is flat circle, a circle of any kind still has no corners...

so the "corners" must be a mistranslation or their word for something else, like the cardinal directions.

And cannot possible mean anything regarding flatness.

2 months ago
makson
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But how do you know it's talking about the winds?

2 months ago
neveralone
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back then that is an often phrase. I believe mostly used by sailors. but not for sure on that. they would say as such since the wind could come from the north east south or west. ergo the four corners.

2 months ago
makson
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the wind has corners?

2 months ago
neveralone
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it's talking about the wind. seeing the future events that happen in Revelations. this is a guy during Jesus's time. he isn't going to be able to explain it very well don't u think? he isn't God.

2 months ago
makson
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4 corners at the earth doesn't mean it's flat?

2 months ago
neveralone
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again the Bible does not.

2 months ago
makson
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I don't, but the Bible says it is.

2 months ago
neveralone
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do u believe the earth is flat?

2 months ago
makson
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okay, is the earth flat?

2 months ago
neveralone
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no it's not just like it's not for the flat Earth. if u ever want this debate to move forward u will need to leave past arguement behind

2 months ago
makson
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it isn't said directly, but it's said like for the flat earth

2 months ago
neveralone
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those are guesses on how long. it isn't the official time.

2 months ago
makson
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5 days + before Abraham (2000 years) and Abraham has lived before 4000 years (2000 yrs BC) so
5 days + ~2000 yrs + ~4000yrs = 6000yrs

2 months ago
neveralone
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the Bible itself doesn't say how old the earth is. people reading the Bible do.

2 months ago
makson
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Bible says God made humans 6-10k years ago and evolution says totally different things

2 months ago
neveralone
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proven God? never. nor do I think it ever will because God isn't something to be proven. now when has something science has shown that seems to go with the Bible. all the time.

2 months ago
makson
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when is the last time the science has proven God?

2 months ago
neveralone
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u r under the idea they go agaisnt each other and can't exist. they don't.

2 months ago
makson
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Other Christian said a different story, it's always like that.... Why do you believe that story of you can choose science what is not contradictable or impossible?

2 months ago
neveralone
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u r thinking biologically. God creates us. he chooses wether we live or not. do u think God would let them get pregnant when he's about to do the flood? no.

2 months ago
makson
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Do you really claim that in entire world there was no baby? If they were sinning so much, they would cheat their wives, right? That means baby comes because there was no condoms...

2 months ago
makson
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yes

2 months ago
neveralone
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unborn babies cant do anything much besides grow so they are definitely without sin.

2 months ago
neveralone
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with Benjamin Franklin.

2 months ago
makson
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And unborn babies?

2 months ago
makson
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I had a personal experience with him

2 months ago
neveralone
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it says he was man and son of God. for the flood thing that can be infered by it saying that there was nothing without sin. babies can't sin. ergo if there is no one without sin and babies can't sin the. there couldn't of been any.

2 months ago
neveralone
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it's amazing that u were there to hear him talk. most of us don't have such a chance.

2 months ago
makson
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But the Bible doesn't say Jesus wasn't half duck like it doesn't say there were no children in the flood

2 months ago
makson
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his voice was men's voice and in combination with his face, the chances he was a man are pretty big to become a fact

2 months ago

the point is that though it's obviously ridiculous it cant be disproven. except the women thing. just dig up his bones and do a dna sample to prove it's him and that it's male.

2 months ago
neveralone
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some women have guys faces.

2 months ago
makson
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his face was anatomically? men's face

2 months ago
neveralone
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people could of changed the paintings.

2 months ago
makson
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he didn't look like a woman

2 months ago
neveralone
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a link would still be interesting.

2 months ago
neveralone
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why can't u disprove that Benjamin Franklin is a women?

2 months ago
makson
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I'm talking about the big bang

2 months ago
makson
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If it's illogical, why can't you disprove it?

2 months ago
neveralone
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well in God intervening all the time I would say look what happened when he did. they would thank him for a little time and then go back to sinning usually doing more. society could also maybe be seen as a baby to God back then and needed strong guidance but now we are matured to child age and can look after ourselves a bit more. on healings and the such they still happen. not as often as in the Bible but they still do.

2 months ago
PsychDave
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Then why did God speak to so many people in the past? What happened that God became shy? People used to perform miracles in God's name, but now not even the Pope will heal dying children. What changed?

2 months ago
neveralone
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I already believe as such but I would be interested if u provided a link

2 months ago
neveralone
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exactly. it's illogical to believe Benjamin was a women or had a skunks tail just like it's ridiculous to think Jesus had a duck head

2 months ago
makson
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With the research, you will understand how something can come from nothing and something eternal.

2 months ago
makson
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same as duck headed Jesus and skunks tail

2 months ago
neveralone
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hit reply

2 months ago

God doesn't want to be proven. he wants to be trusted.

2 months ago
makson
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just answer me can you prove the existence of God? what I didn't answer?

2 months ago

ur going circular again. btw u didn't answer the debate.

2 months ago
makson
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Can you prove God exists?

2 months ago
neveralone
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where r u going with research? btw since u can't prove they didn't have a skunks tail or was actually a women then by ur logic they are women and they do have a skunks tail

2 months ago
makson
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Research about quantum fields

2 months ago
neveralone
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what?

2 months ago
makson
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I can't prove they don't. You don't understand quantum fields, research about them bit

2 months ago

btw plenty of great thinkers and inventors and scientist at least admit that the idea could be true so it isn't illogical.

2 months ago
neveralone
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it's illogical to think something can't come from nothing?ps. prove Alexander doesn't have a sounds tail or Benjamin wasn't a women.

2 months ago
makson
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there's no evidence of god's existence and it's illogical to think he exists. PS: You still haven't disproved Jesus with a duck - head

2 months ago

there is no evidence as such. and it's simply illogical to think he did.

2 months ago
makson
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can you prove he didn't have a duck head?

2 months ago
makson
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probably

2 months ago
neveralone
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exactly it doesn't say he had a duck head anywhere. it's ridiculous. also if someone had a duck head do u not think that's worth mentioning? ps do u seriously think he had a duck head?

2 months ago
neveralone
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must of linked u with someone else

2 months ago
makson
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How do you know that if the Bible doesn't say he wasn't?

2 months ago
makson
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I never said God can't

2 months ago
neveralone
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he was all man. there was no duck head. idk where u got that odd idea.

2 months ago
neveralone
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so u can give that trait to it but God can't possibly always have been here?

2 months ago
makson
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A man with a head of a duck

2 months ago
makson
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It had no beginning, it was happening always

2 months ago
neveralone
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I have a strange belief since the records show a man. not an weird Egyptian god

2 months ago
neveralone
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and what began that

2 months ago
makson
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Yes, he's omnipotent. Or in other case, only his head was a head of a duck. Everything was same, except his head.

2 months ago
makson
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the black hole wasn't supposed to start big bang, I mean it starts a contraction and the big bang is contracting always. The things got into existence because of quantum fields

2 months ago
neveralone
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u think that a human birthed a duck that could speak heal people (specifically said with hands so duck already out) cast out demons, walk on water, make food for thousands from bread and fish, take up all sin, get tortured and put on trial, nailed to a cross, stabbed in the side, rose from the dead after 3 days, and was also a man?

2 months ago
neveralone
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and where did the star come from if the black hole was supposed to start the big bang

2 months ago
makson
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It didn't. It came from like death of a star. PS: Jesus was a duck because there's no place in the Bible that says he wasn't.

2 months ago
neveralone
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so how did a black hole come from nothing

2 months ago
makson
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Black holes are being bigger and bigger,,......

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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do how can a black hole do that. and I would say he only has forever existed.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I don't think I've said that, but God can't do both unless he stop existing and then start existing, then stop and start....... If God always existed, he couldn't have come from nothing. If God came from nothing, he couldn't have always existed

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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u have said God can't exist forever and that he can't just come from nothing. yet u give these attributes to a black hole.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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what?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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these are things u have gone against when on the other side. u do realize that right?

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Possibilities:
1) Came from? nothing
2) Always existed
3) Both
The big bang is both

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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just out of curiosity where exactly does it go and are u sure it's the same one. then simply replace black hole with universe on my last debate.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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The black hole doesn't exist always. universe does

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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and yet u rely on a black hole that has always existed and always will. does that not sound familiar but with less living qualities?

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Yes. I don't need faith for black holes

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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this is the same arguement that u put on about if both were forgotten science would be the only thing remembered and again it relies completely on if the faith is wrong.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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The same results come from the same tests. People would conclude it in 1000 years if we forget it now

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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and before that and before that ect. u seem to put a lot of faith in a black hole forever existing.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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it will lose energy, stop expanding, the black hole will turn it to nothing and here we go again!

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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It didn't exist because the black hole before turned previous contraction into nothing.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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or simply Revelations. take ur pick.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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and from what I'm reading here it sounds like it didn't exist at one point. though if I remember correctly they beleive the universe was actually quite small and inflated to the size we see today and is continuing to expand.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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And it's contracting! For few billion years the giant black hole will turn everything to nothing and everything will start again (another contraction-another big bang)

2 months, 1 week ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.space.com/24781-big-bang-theory-alternatives-infographic.html

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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The big bang says the universe always existed and it's contracting. You obviously didn't know this, please educate yourself at this topic

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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idk haven't really looked into it much. there's obviously the big bang.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Could you tell me other theories?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that is one of many theories.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Science is contradictable with God.
Science says universe always existed in one form or another.
Religion says God always existed.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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I accept science for what it is. seeking truth. I enjoy it quite a bit. there is no compromise on my faith or how I look at science

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Why don't you accept the science like it is, without supernatural and without mixes?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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I do both. there not agaisnt each other. I accept my ignorance in many areas and look to science and religion for answers. if u look at their differences that will be all u see but there are similarities as well.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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So, there's many things you don't know our believe in supernatural. Why don't you choose science?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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who knows. though forgetting is probably not something he does and not being able to is certainly not a weakness

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Is he able now, since he's all powerful?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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he was able to forget.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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You say he can know everything and forget in same time

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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forget? he was human...

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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How can Jesus do that if he knows everything too?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that's more on Jesus. though it might converge with God as well

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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So, God is able to learn, forget, remember or something like that? He can learn before and after knowing everything?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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theoretically. though the only one stated to know everything is God.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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they all know everything?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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God is directly spoken on this though they all probably are

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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so who of them knows everything?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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I read it. the best way I know is think of a map. the beginning and end is God. the actual path is Jesus and a guide would be the holy Spirit. they all are part of the map but each with there own jobs.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Explain it like how someone has explained it to you?

2 months, 1 week ago

do u know an easy way to explain the trinity?

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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you're answering by "It's hard to explain"

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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no I am answering a challenge

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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You're setting the things up for you

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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it's not an excuse if it's true.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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that's just an excuse?
2k arguments!!!

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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it's a complex trinity. they are separate but also one. it gets very complex and I'm probably not the best at explaining it.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Jesus isn't the God, he's another person.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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Jesus did a lot of the learning and I wouldn't say knowing everything makes u flawed.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Learning is an example.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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what do u mean by impossible?

2 months, 1 week ago

You say God can do everything but he can't do some things that are impossible? Then he canNOT do everything.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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u understand how it works. but to truly feel how it works is where Jesus comes in.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I see it's working, but I can't feel it working.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that is an debate inside the church

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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how can u know how a computer program works when ur not a computer?

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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He can make a mistake? He already did. (Noah's flood because he repented after that)

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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How can he know something if he has never done that?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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being able to do something and doing it are two different things. u have the ability to kill why aren't u on a killing rampage?

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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he made us, our brain, and all our feelings. yes he knows what it feels like

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Does God know how it feels when you do a mistake?

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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By having unlimited power, you can do everything, right? Everything includes mistakes.

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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that would be omniscience and no it does not include mistakes or ignorance. in fact omniscience requires the complete absence of ignorance.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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actually omnipotence just means unlimited or great power. it doesn't say anything about mistakes or things as such.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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omnipotence includes making mistakes...

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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How about this:
it doesn't say, to my knowledge, that he can do anything anywhere in the bible. it says he's all powerful, and all knowing.

so yes, there are things he can't do, like mistakes, ignorance and weakness.

Good job, you just argued for gods greatness cause you proved he can't be anything but perfection :D

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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If you say "he can't" that means he's not omnipotent. He's beyond our understanding and he could do that, but he can't.

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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he can't do mistakes, he can't have a moment of weakness, he can't display ignorance.

Yes, he can't display flaws. that isn't a flaw.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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"He can't do them" is contradictable with "he can do everything"

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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he can't not do them because they are against his nature, he can't do them because they are already done.

It's like saying Steven hawking can't learn basic physics (because he has long mastered them) therefore he must be an idiot.

And not being able to grow because you are everything is not a limitation!
Not being able to learn because you know everything is not a flaw!
Not being able to create something you can't lift because there is nothing you Can't lift is not a weakness!

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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But if it's logically impossible it means it's against his nature. If he can't do things that are against his nature, he's not omnipotent. Here would addressing my previous argument come.

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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nothing about what he said suggests everyone is omnipotent.
The issue is omnipresence, not omnipotence.
Not being able to grow because you are everything is not an excuse. growing would be a logical impossibility in that situation.
And not being able to grow because you are everything is not a limitation!
Not being able to learn because you know everything is not a flaw!
Not being able to create something you can't lift because there is nothing you Can't lift is not a weakness!

Why is it that every time I open this thread I see the same failing argument!
Are you najam or something? (I know your not, just driving the point home, hopefully)

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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that's just an excuse. by your logic, everyone is omnipotent. "If you occupy all space, is there anywhere to grow?" is an excuse. It means "it's against his nature", but whatever you ask me 'can I do something?', I can just provide an excuse or "it's against my own nature"

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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if u occupy all space is there anywhere to grow? depends what u define as grow. technically he could go in human form and then grow in size but he occupies all space so...haha

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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He didn't really grow? Is he able to really grow?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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the arguement right below urs answers that.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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if he's omnipotent he could grow without a phisycal manifestation? how?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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well I was going to say when he comes in human form but he is still omnipresent then so he didn't really grow but how can an omnipresent being even grow when it occupies all space?

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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How can an omnipresent being grow?
they did not mean mentally, they meant physically. god isn't even physical.

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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neveralone assumed as such from a more philosophical standpoint and replied with a question rather than an answer of certainty.

my response also had the qualifier of "life as we define it" because the definition of life can change. we've only ever experienced one kind of life, our own. making final assumptions on such a small pool of examples is stupid.

You too should add alittle uncertainty to your uncertain statements, because your argument becomes weak if you are repeatedly wrong. I agree with your conclusion, god is most likely not alive, but your definition of life was dead wrong.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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click the reply button

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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so you can't prove existence of something alive, everywhere, doing good things?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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yeah haha

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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going on 2k, I can see that lol

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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I replied to it.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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And neveralone? said he is

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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i said that out of annoyance and will delete. I don't truly think so.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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well he could technically grow. now reproducing is a bit harder. Jesus is a direct son but wasn't made through sex or other such reproducing methods but is still technically God's direct son.

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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god is not alive by our definition because he does not grow and does not reproduce.

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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evolution is the only sensible explanation that fits all the evidence we find.

not a few cherry picked scenarios while ignoring alternative explanations and ignoring conflicting evidence. ALL OF IT.

there is no viable alternative to evolution.
And no intelligent design is not an alternative. It's many flaws and assumptions aside, all it says is that there must be a designer. it says nothing about the design which may as well include evolution. likewise evolution only describes the process, not the source of the process.

so intelligent design literally says nothing.

2 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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no it doesn't

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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definition of alive includes consuming food and breathing

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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why wouldn't he be?

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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is God alive?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that doesn't show brains it shows stupidity and lack of curiosity. science explores the unknown and asks the infinite question of why. it gladly tries to find out strange and new things. not do surveys and learn nothing.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Yes.
1) Human fossils are graduated an more complex then for an example Lucy.
2) 1% of people in Africa have evolved to be immune to AIDS, so HIV can't make it.
3) DNA comparation.
4) Comparative anatomy.
5) Molecular biology.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Because people are getting smarter

2 months, 1 week ago

Makson, can you prove evolution created us?

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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trying... and they never will

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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how many scientist and researchers are trying to prove it? any that have tried become laughing stocks and anything they info they find gets tossed.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I know they've used reason.... Your life is based at believing in an unproven book?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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they also had logic and reason and used both as well. else they couldn't use that system. either ur wanting religion to seem to only be used by illogical people or being intellectually dishonest. u remember how I said unless ur open to the idea this will get nowhere?

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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And they used it like this:
Available:
1) religion
2) nothing
Eliminate:
2) nothing
Use:
religion

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that system has been used in that time and probably before then. it's one of the oldest systems.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Aristotle didn't know how it works, he was just amazed. It has to do something with it because they have used the system of elimination.

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that has nothing to do with it. also Aristotle is another example why saying the age doesn't matter isn't true.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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But those people didn't know about the evolution (except Aristotle but noone took it as real)

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that doesn't change anything?. there was still plenty of logic and wisdom. to say that means nothing of that time has any worth when it obviously does.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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In this case it does because people didn't know almost anything about science

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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age doesn't make it a lie. or else the idea of gravity is a lie.

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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So your life is based at faith that 2000 years old book is real? Seriously?

2 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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not really. to actually prove the Bible u would have to have Jesus to come down and say it. which all things considering u wouldn't want. that is the start of Revelations

2 months, 1 week ago
makson
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yes, but it's same

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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u did read the part where I said it didn't prove it right?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I didn't only looking up to Google translate and we've passed through that, I said "nevermind"...

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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If I write a book with real places and events and include an unicorn, would that unicorn be real?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Makson, are you really looking for answers, or are you looking for reasons not to believe the Bible?

When I pointed out that a word from hebrew one time was mistranslated, you kept telling me that I was wrong because you put the word into google translate. I looked at the real and possible meanings of the word.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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it shows real places and events. that may not fully show it but it certainly helps.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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you still haven't proved it is

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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so? saying penguins will fly isn't technically a lie. they do so now. on planes.haha
seriously though ur going back to the argument of if the Bible is trustworthy or not.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I could claim whatever I want without time limit and it can't be disproven.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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there is a time. God's got it set and has said the signs for when it will happen. but a time limit isn't needed for something to make sense

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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It doesn't make sense because a prophecy without a time limit can't be wrong. (there's always a next day so...)

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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My prophecy: At 4010th year, penguins will start to fly.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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as a side note it is said only God knows when it will happen

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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if ur seeing everything happening in Revelations are u going to ask what time it's in?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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if prophecies don't come with a fulfill by date, they are pathetic and invalid. And definitely not worthy of prophets of a perfect god. they are scams perpetuated by frauds.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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it's their phrophcies so I don't think their going to get it wrong unless it doesn't come true. as a side note if u have been under the mindset of the Bible being wrong this whole time then it's no wonder we have been going on this long. if u don't change that then we won't be able to move forward.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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then they were wrong as BIBLE is

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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I think psychdave or nemiroff gave a percentage for the KJV which was 90 something percent accurate. most of the time it's how u interpret it. their are a ton of metaphors and similes in the Bible.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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well back then people described it looking like a square when they look out and a lot of people who just look would say the same. especially if their are four angels making the "corners" I would bet.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

well I don't think they know about spheres or to call them that back then. it would more than likely still be called a circle back then. it didn't sound like a mistranslation. I think my answer easily answers it.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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the whole Bible is mistranslated

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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no, it looks like I'm on a circle plate.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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nice point, however, how do you explain Isaiah 40 22?

"he sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth"?

as for the corners line, at first i believed it was a reference to the 4 cardinal directions, but according to

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html

It's a mistranslation with the Greek work of quadrants which was a reference to maps.
@neveralone this is what others and I have tries to say when we said mistranslations can drastically change meanings.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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when u look around there seems to be four sides doesn't it? this is from John. he was a man describing what he saw. if u saw four angels far out each in different? directions then u would probably describe it the same would u not?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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does 4 corners exist at sphere?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

Also, 4 corners argument doesnt prove anything

2 months, 2 weeks ago

1. The Bible isn't meant to be science book
2. That doesn't mean there can't be any science in it
3. God made stuff in such a way that it could be discovered.
4. Modern society had to catch up to the Bible's standards of medicine
5. Somehow a guy discovered that there are 10 dimesions in the Bible. Science has discovered that there are in fact 10 dimensions

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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John. it is told by John. he had this as a prophesy.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

You cretins haven't got rid of this blasphemous post yet?
Only ingrates reject faith!

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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As far as God can see?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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it is as far as he can see.
I did some quick research. apparently we discovered that the earth was round in bc while Revelations was written in ad.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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"angels at four corners", that means earth is square

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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u misunderstood it. if u read on it talks about holding the 4 winds of the earth. north,east, south,west. this is as far as he can see not a literal corner.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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if the Bible interprets anything close it would be that the earth isn't hold up by an animal. it says he created the heaven and the earth.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Revelations 7:1

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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where?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Bible says the world is flat

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I meant something else...

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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I've never seen the word hydrogen in the bible.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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science is a tool. it only tells what it's pointed to. at the same time God gave an answer to people about this science of that time was saying the world was flat.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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u must of misunderstood. if u are a baby should I start telling u the big bang theory and all details in exactly how I made it? no u wouldn't comprehend. God made it simple because we weren't ready for stuff as advanced for that time as atoms which we don't even fully understand today.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Well, sciences does and a perfect being doesn't hmmm

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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According to the big bang:
1. Universe and darkness (always existed)
2. Hydrogen
3. Light
According to the Bible:
1. God and darkness (always existed)
2. Light
3. Hydrogen

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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the Bible Says he said let there be light. if u were about as smart as a cave man do u think God is going to go into details like atoms?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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hydrogen was the first atom. before hydrogen can exist, electrons have to first exist, and other subatomic particles.

And light wasn't the first thing to exist in the bible. first it was darkness. And you can have all the hydrogen in the world, its still darkness :P

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Not really, but I'm talking about substances and the first matter was hydrogen. If hydrogen was first matter then light couldn't be the first thing that existed according to the Bible.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I know. Still doesn't change literally anything.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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but God is not.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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light is matter.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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lights and sun are two different things.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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According to the Bible, light existed before matter. According to the big bang light got into existence after the matter (300000yrs)

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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yes

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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then it still fits.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that it's likely?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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In a way, yes.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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then prove it

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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u mean expanding instantly or very quickly.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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I can prove its likely but until Revelations it won't be proven.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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when you pump a balloon

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Can you prove God exists?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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I never gave that arguement so I didn't answer those questions because there is no reason.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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describe what u mean by a balloon.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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click replied to button to see what points

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Big bang isn't described as an istant boom, it wasn't even an explosion. Big bang was like a ballon. The light has occurred 300000 years after the big bang.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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the big bang is described as an instant boom. much life if a God said let there be light... God's a different being than us do u think he counts time the same? depending how far u believe in evolution but even then u could argue that just like evolution animals were the clay for our mold. what points?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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some things are eternal and they exist forever.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Evolution without a big bang cannot occur. Also the first few days God couldn't make animals because animals evolved for billion of years. And God couldn't create humans because humans were created by animals. Also, what about other things I've said?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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not really. evolution could simply be a tool.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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but it is contradictable surf Christianity

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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I didn't say that and I disagree with ur evolution statement.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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neveralone, I know you don't have evidence of god's existence. But then you ask me "Can you prove he doesn't exist"...
1) How can I disprove something unproven?
2) By that logic we should believe in everything? unproven (Zeus, unicorns, superman...)
3) 1% of people in Africa who evolved to be immune to AIDS is proof of evolution and evolution is contradictable with religion.
4) Can you prove Zeus doesn't exist?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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No defending the assumption that nonexistence is the default state?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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there's nothing contradictory between those 2.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

If i were to make an argument against the likelihood of the existence of god I would cite the recent developments in the research of the physics of "empty" space. Its far from empty and is bustling with quantum activity.

it appears that a vacuum is not nature's default state and nature actually abhors a vacuum. a vacuum is an extremely high energy state and the existence of matter is the lower energy state nature craves.

the point is that religion treats existence as some unlikely event when it appears increasingly to be the default state or things. why do we assume that without a creator nothingness will be the default.

of course nothing appears to be the logical default but with the discovery that nothing is far from empty, existence isn't just likely, it is a necessity.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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so there's a reason he is not omnipotent, because he's omniscient

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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can he learn without throwing out his knowledge?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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this is an endless debate. My frustration is the identical point, not that the overall debate is long.

this is the ultimate debate.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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I feel the same If were still doing this at two thousand post then I'm going to other debates because this will go on forever at this rate.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

haven't checked in here in a while.
once again, not having a flaw does not take away from perfection.

if the reason one can't learn is because they already know everything, that's not a flaw.

1000 posts later, same argument.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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technically he could plausably repress knowledge to learn it again but there would be no sense in that.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I'm not asking you why, I'm asking can he?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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why would God need to learn something?

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I can learn. God can't since he's omniscient.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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unless he thought the price was too high

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that would technically go against the all powerful thing.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I meant something God can't do even if he wants to

2 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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u can sin. logically he can't since sin is directly against his will

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Can I do something God can't? (something what doesn't fit his nature)?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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God doesn't plan anyone to fail. u choose to go off the path can u blame God that it doesn't? work out?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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And God planned we'll fail. Why?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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no it isn't. we have a purpose here but we can fail to do it. each one is different.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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many criminals are Muslim and Christian because the laws of a state are different with laws of holly book

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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death is not filling life purpose

2 months, 3 weeks ago

No criminal wants to die and go where false god police have no power.
They say there is no God so they can substitute police instead.
They say there is no heaven, so they can substitute Earth instead.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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there is a difference between dieing without filling ur purpose and dieing after u have. life's purpose isn't death.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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then why did you say not filling life purpose (death) isn't bad?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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because they may not have filled their lives purpose yet.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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why do you pray for them not to die if death isn't bad?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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which is where it becomes obvious that God hand was in the situation. there is actually a hilarious movie that has (a little) bit of what happened in it. I believe it's Evan Almighty. though Bruce Almighty is good too and may actually help u understand God while getting plenty of laughs.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

I pray for many things. why do we die?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Also, do you really believe 2 penguines walked all the way from Antarctica to the middle east to get abroad an ark built by a 500 year old man?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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then why? are you praying for starving children?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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death isn't evil in itself. it is an event that must happen. would u say puberty is evil?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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30k of kids die every day

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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we help those kids all the time. it's our fault their lives are messed up not God's. churches and other donators help them all the time.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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he abandoned starving children in Africa

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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well the books we are fairly sure who wrote them by tracing as best as we can. on God's guidance he never has abandon us.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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several books and God's guidance...

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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which part?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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how do u know that?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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the Bible itself? no it's multiple writings that was put together I believe after Jesus died. before then it was several books and God's guidance.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Did Bible even exist before the flood?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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he showed himself throughout the bible.if he is all knowing then he knows every way and believed this way was best. could u say ur all knowing?

2 months, 3 weeks ago

Road to 2k xddd

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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A God is evil because he killed them all and didn't find better solution, like to show himself maybe?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u did read the part where the earth was filled with evil right? babies more than likely weren't killed. there's no mention of children and even bigger point the Bible directly said the world was filled with evil. not innocence.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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If flooding all world including innocent babies isn't evil, I don't know what is.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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he hasn't done anything evil.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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he has done more evil than good

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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not doing something suddenly does something? you seem very interested in trying to get God to be evil when he has done so much good.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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He didn't make a one choice become a choice and he made evil because he didn't do that.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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he could but God doesn't do contradictions. he's got this world set up with reason and logic. what goes up must come down,ect.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Can God make one choice become a choice?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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not really no. it teaches that we have all sinned and as such no one just gets in. Jesus is the only way.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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wrong! Bible teaches that non-Christians should be executed.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it's not wether it good or bad it's more about if u still have sin or not.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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hmm interesting. if it is like a program that could very well be true if such a choice has a determined outcome. but these are a lot of programs (people) to sift through. though God could do it I believe he has a more loose control over it so that it could truly be choice. like if a programmer made just the if and left the then to the program to go through and watched and sometimes made small corrections.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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If God can't make one choice become a choice, he's not all powerful.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u don't understand choice. with only one choice it's not a choice.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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var world,atheist,christian,person,good_person,bad_person;
var believe;
if (person==believe){
atheist}else{
Christian}

christian=heaven=good_person;
atheist=hell=bad_person;


This is how God works (I included pseudo code because I don't have much time...)
And God doesn't even check the probability "Is atheist a good person?" or "Is Christian a bad person?" and thats not perfect like God should be.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
PsychDave
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That is the entire point. If God is the ultimate programmer, he knew how things would go before starting things in motion. That means, by setting the conditions for the choice, he has determined the outcome.

Yes, the people could try to move out of the way. Do you believe God wouldn't know which way they would move, or is he not responsible for pushing the rock that he knows will kill people?

Programs can decided things now. We set up an "if/then" line that gives them criteria. The flaw in that removing responsibility is that it was still set in motion intentionally. For example, a virus could make a decision like "if someone has money in their bank account, then transfer that money into my account". Is the programmer innocent since the program chose which was the right answer? God set every variable, meaning if you have to chose whether to turn left or right, he set up everything that would ever influence that decision. You may make the choice, but since he knew what his creation would cause you to decide, that choice is already determined.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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U really don't understand "all powerful"... God could give u only good and u could still have free will.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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on the program one if it can truly choose then the program could be at fault depending on if God asked (it?) to or if it did itself.

why did they just stand there? theoretically if he did that would be God but a stone can't make that choice.

in a way God is the ultimate programmer haha

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u do realize that there are only two choices only? good or evil. though neutral is technically a choice in mundane things the important stuff only has these two.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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certain parts are most certainly set. that's why there's phrophcies all over the Bible. but if we're talking about Revelations then that can literally be anywhere. please read it sometime so u can have a better understanding

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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He is still somehow not sure if future is set...

2 months, 3 weeks ago
PsychDave
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The problem I have with the argument that God gave us a choice and we chose evil is that God is described as all knowing and all powerful. That means he knew the consequences of every action he made when creating the world. If he knew everything that would ever happen, he would know that a slight difference in creationism would change the outcome and chose to make it as it is.

Compare that to someone writing a program that does exactly what they want. The program can make decisions based on experience and input, but the programmer is responsible for what it does. If someone created a computer program that shut down power to a major city, could they claim that it chose to?

A simpler analogy is that God started a rock rolling down a hill when he created the world. He can claim that the rock chose to roll over some people and not others, but if he knew exactly where it would go when he pushed, he chose to kill those people.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Jesus didn't die for our sins:
Ezekiel 18:1-30
Deuteronomy 24:16
Psalm 49:7
Jeremiah 31:30

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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HE COULD GIVE ME CHOICE BUT NOT ABILITY TO DO EVIL. Unless he's not all powerful!

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Future is set. If Bible supports renewing earth (future) then it's set.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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because God gave u choice he is evil? so saving billions of billions of lives don't matter? or creating those lives? or resurrecting people? or sending his son to die for u? or giving u a chance to live a righteous life? all that suddenly doesn't matter because he gave u choice? which is something most would cherish.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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thank u

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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that is Revelations. that is not the entirety of that story either if u read on u would come to where God renews the earth and we live their with Him.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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Mathew 25:46 for hell
Mathew 5:17-20 for heaven

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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1) God can do everything
2) God could make humans without ability to do evil but with free will. And not become a dictator or hypocrate...
3) God didn't do that.
4) God is evil.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

Also, u always said "they are now in heaven!"(for babies), and u say that for them today. There's more then 144000 victims so they aren't all in heaven. Where's the justice for those who went to hell?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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how "they don't watch us" has to do with that? They don't have to, they don't know ANYTHING. Quote the Bible anywhere, were it says that dead go to heaven or hell.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

that seems more like a statement. power and morals don't have a correlation besides argueable corruption. Hitler certainly had morals but to us they were messed up. but so did JFK but he tried what he thought was good as well and is usually looked on as a great person. unless ur Cuba,Russia, or the mob.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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because they don't watch us and get prizes? that seems far fetch. especially since heaven and hell are both everywhere in the Bible.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I don't have credit card if I even need it.. nvm

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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click "replied to" button

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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If dead know nothing and there's no reward for them, therefore they don't exist.

2 months, 3 weeks ago

Get this post off

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u can check it out on YouTube. it cost 4 bucks though.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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or spiritual. idk but the Bible never says he invisible. theoretically I see no reason why he couldn't be space per say

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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idk which question can u ask it again?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u misunderstood. it's talking about on earth. u see we believe that the only ghost is the holy ghost. the dead have no reason to be with the living.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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could u provide a link?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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if he's not invisible and he's everywhere he's one word: space

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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no, now answer me on question (click"replied to"button few times)

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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So they're slaves (robots) in heaven and hell because they don't know nothing anymore? If they know nothing, they're not concious and if they are souls, therefore souls aren't concious.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it was midnight u think those people are wide awake. also did u see the documentary?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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well he isn't really invisible as much as not physical.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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figuring out what someone will say next.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it says they know nothing and get no reward. there isn't a reward system once ur dead u either go to heaven or hell.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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what? Also, why wouldn't u prove god's existence?

2 months, 3 weeks ago

prove it

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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It's a lie. It's a legend. First of all, their parents would ask them where are they going. But hey I'll make theories:
1) God.
2) Coincidence
3) Negative energy forced his dreams to change.
4) He's a liar.
5) He didn't dream that, his friend warned him because he saw enemy.
6) Why would God allow the rest of village to be burnt down and everyone die?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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ohh...
Anyone can debate he'll never make me stop believing in his words.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I'm not finding excuses to anyone

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I asked how, because he is invisible, all knowing,all powerful and omnipresent creature that is supposed to do good but it doesn't.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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"The dead know more nothing"
and
"There's no more reward for them"
means afterlife doesn't exist. After that, it says dead people are forgotten.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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man tell me about this one. there is a guy in Africa. when he was a boy he was dreaming when God came to him. God told him he must get out of his village immeaditly. so he woke up and was heading out when his friend say him and went with him. when they got out of the village they looked back and saw that there village was attacked and burned down to the ground. that were the only survivors. he still hears God today and if u want proof watch father of light.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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ok now I understand what ur talking about. no I mean I wanted to know who is debating for the Christians for that because it was very weak arguements.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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words of anger apologies. well u are trying to do good so I'll give u points on that.haha

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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apologies I seem to have read between the lines. though I don't recall u asking anyone.in a way I warped what u said but when u first started here u said u couldn't believe anyone could believe in God today and it insults me because I do.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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that's what that's about?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it states that people forget the dead.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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yes, all

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I am not making up anything. If it isn't proven it doesn't mean it's not true.
Familiar now?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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lol, and how am I doing it for a perfect being?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I never said u have low iq, I just asked because I asked everyone. I didn't say u r troll I just assumed. When did I call religion a joke and how that insults u?

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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did logical chain help u? It does not even have to be logical (it is), u can predict what am I going to say so do it until u r not sure

2 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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It witnesses heaven and hell don't exist.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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some cases not all but good try.

2 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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not really I'm not even sure what ur trying to say herw

2 months, 3 weeks ago
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