The God isn't real

April 16, 2017, 10:31 am

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The debate "The God isn't real" was started by makson on April 16, 2017, 10:31 am. 164 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 297 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

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3 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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well I know all powerful is definitely said. the most of the others are underlying usually though I could be wrong.

6 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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yes it is, althought i did think most of the attributes were in the bible, except for omnibenevolence. not in those words, but more metaphorical descriptions of his power, omniscience, and presence.

I'm actually almost done with the philosophy series. watched them in order. Got started on world history and anatomy and physiology as well. that last one is inadequate for a review, but I wish I had it as a preview for my classes.

6 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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hey nemiroff. you remember that video u wanted me to check out? well I was looking through his stuff and I found one that was called what is God like. you should check it out. it is a very interesting subject.

6 months, 1 week ago
Najam1
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Where is Odin's book that says for mankind not to tattoo the humans flesh?

6 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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ethics are unprovable and falsifiable. should we not discuss ethics?

if every effect has a cause and every motion has a mover to cause it, don't we need to have an initial mover/ cause? or are you ok with an infinite regression of events?

6 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that's a lot of anger and certainty coming from someone who has no idea where we have come from

6 months, 2 weeks ago

are you people kiding me? why dont you all believe in odin? hes a god too, and he also has a holy book. if something is unfalseifiable, (like tge ridiculous claim of god), then it is not worth debate

6 months, 2 weeks ago

found this an interesting statement. I got it from a book. there is this lady in the book who says she doesn't trust a god who only brings good times in your life. when asked why she said this, " a god who brings good and bad doesn't ask for much. while a god that brings good will always want something from you"

thought this was interesting but didn't think it needed it's own argument.

6 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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furthermore, god and science are not incompatible. The bible devoted what, a few sentences to describe creation of both life and the world? It states that he created everything, but does it say how? Was the purpose of the bible to explain in detail the workings of existence? Or was it meant to be a guide on how to live and treat one another? Does it say anywhere in the bible that animals were created as is?

6 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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I'm not sure being an atheist takes more faith. for example the beginning of existence. did it sprout from nothing? Did it always exist? The same can be asked about god, did he sprout from nothing? Did he always exist? just because you use god to explain existence, your just passing the question to "where did god come from"? and if it's ok for God to exist forever, why can't existence have existed forever?

if we are going to assume that something was perpetual or came from nothing, what are the odds that the first thing to be would be a fully formed all powerful sentient consciousness instead of some basic fundamental matter?

The reason people put their faith in science is its track record of accurately explaining so much about our world and revolutionizing our lives for the better, especially medicine. all while religion did everything it could to stop it's progress.

6 months, 3 weeks ago
kill_all_idiots
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Has the universe always existed?

6 months, 3 weeks ago

what evidence is there that a god exists? I've been debating on here a long time and no one has ever managed to come up with any yet.

6 months, 3 weeks ago

I meant that there is so much evidence to Gods existence. How can you even conclude that there is no God?? I think it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a theist. Especially when you look at the moral argument. @nemiroff

6 months, 3 weeks ago
blue_rayy
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well.... if not god then science. Hence proved science equals god. Ancient people didnt have the knowledge of science and space. So they believed it to be 'god' and made 'religions' to thank 'god' which is indeed science.

I respect their views. Science exists and so is god cause both are same thing.

6 months, 4 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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that's a silly request it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist.

not to compare it to god, but we can both agree that leprechauns and unicorns don't exist right? can you prove it? can anyone prove it?

6 months, 4 weeks ago

What evidence do you have that God doesn't exist??

6 months, 4 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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1. yes. something infinite must exist. I see no alternative.

2. sorta. the universe is something that came from nothing. nothing is never nothing. Google vacuum fluctuations for more details.

"empty" intergalactic space is chaotic, filled with activity. empty extra universal space is probably even more unstable, giving rise to larger, more stable matter... like possibly universes.

this is just the universe following the law of entropy, seeking the stable, minimum energy state. an empty vacuum appears to not be that. It's actually quite unstable.

7 months, 2 weeks ago
Ben23
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I don't even know if you been reading my comments or if you just don't understand.

I've mentioned why many of those explanations have been disregarded and that the singularly is the only best explanation with what we know about it.

Just answer me 2 questions 1) Does something infinite must exist before the universe based on the current acceptable explanation?
2)Is the universe nothing from nothing that was cause by nothing?

7 months, 3 weeks ago

i never said a being with the same abilities we have could create the universe. clearly we don't have that ability. I specifically said, several times, a being with abilities greater than our own.

you seem to be trying to misunderstand me. I'm saying that the possibility exists that a being with abilities beyond our understanding could create the universe. but that ability doesn't necessarily mean they're omnipotent. just because they would have greater power than us doesn't mean they need to be capable of literally anything. the examples I have been giving are trying to illustrate how great power can be misconstrued as divinity.

there are actually several explanations that don't include a creator. you just don't like them because they don't support the worldview you want. I'm sure you're familiar with the big bang theory. here are a few other explanations.

http://www.space.com/24781-big-bang-theory-alternatives-infographic.html

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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There are ways to understand what's more practical in this case all the empirical evidence and rational reasons points towards a CREATOR.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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You've been saying that it is possible that a being that could have the same capabilities that we have created the universe. now you're saying that human beings can influence natural phenomenon which btw is not what im saying at all (look up artificial rain storms by NASA) so how are we possibly compatible with something creating something from absolutely nothing, how is that not nonsensical? .

2) I've been explaining to you that there's no other explanation that fits criteria of what might have brought the existence of universe other than a CREATOR!.

I told you, you can't use reason at all if you keep trying to make the existence of everything fit with your world view and not take every other explanation into consideration.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

what circular logic have I used? everything I have said makes perfect sense.

2) in what way is this nonsensical? how closed minded do you have to be to think that if you can't understand it then it must be god. are you so conceited that you think you can understand everything that it is possible to understand?

natural phenomenon can be influenced by humans. by they are not caused by humans. that is why they are NATURAL phenomenon.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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I respectfully disagree. Atheist use circular arguments because they have no concrete for their way of reasoning. And I understand your an agnostic but right now you're using circular reasoning.

2) A perfect example of nonsensical argument, disregarding all that is provided.

Natural phenomenons can be somewhat triggered by human interference. so not true at all.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

2) to us a plane is relatively simple. to an ancient Greek it is inconceivable. to us creating a universe is inconceivable, to a being of greater power it could be simple. saying we don't have any idea how it could be done means it must be done by a god is disingenuous.

3) you do understand there is no will to natural events right? no one makes an earthquake happen or a star to go supernova. it is a natural event that has drastic consequences.

you seem to have things backwards. scientists use evidence and reason to form reasonable hypothesise. religious people use circular arguments of if you don't know exactly how it works then God must have done it.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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Also omnipotent/creating something from nothin, infinite, powerful? Honestly!

7 months, 3 weeks ago

1) There is, but it won't matter if you don't use rationality.

2) You're being disingenuous, to compare inventions from natrual materials to everything from nothing. I believe you are purposely disregarding the fact of a structured universe that's composed elements and laws that keeps in together and in a natural process that started to exist.

3) WILL = CAUSE .

I'm convinced after this statement, that you don't really care of finding out the truth.

PS. they are more reason to the existing of God than to anything else, but if you or anyone rationality then what is the point of the evidence. That's why atheist always do circular reasoning it always leads them to nowhere because of their fear in getting somewhere. But only the blind faith one's their are some like I was with an open mind and genuinely want to know.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

omnipotent means a deity with the power to do literally anything.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

1) as there has never been any it is difficult to say.

2) if a being could create a universe it would certainly be beyond what we presently understand. but that doesn't mean it's omnipotent. if an ancient Greek saw a man fly he would assume it's a god. people fly every day now. we have the power to kill the entire planet at the press of a button. that kind of power would be beyond the understanding of people a few centuries ago. just because you can't understand how something can be done doesn't mean the person who does is a god.

3) why? natural events make drastic changes all the time. rivers move, stars explode, asteroids strike the earth and wipe out the dinosaurs. you assume for a big event to happen it must have a will behind it, but there's no evidence that is the case. you are looking at the complicated results of something and assuming it must have been planned. it is entirely possible for a big event to happen naturally with no will forcing it to happen.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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could have been*

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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Also, what is the definition of omnipotent?

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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1) what would you consider to be evidence for a creator?

2) if he created the universe from absolutely nothing then based on that alone tells us he is unlike anything. I believe it be safe to assume that he's omneptent considering the abilities of such a being. And to say that such a being might have been similar to us or our capabilities show me a person that created something from absolute nothing.

3) The thing that caused the universe to come to existence from nothing must have some kind of will, it literally doesn't make sense any other way.

But first you yourself need to establish what is the only possible reason for our existence then ask questions but if you can't use reason than why ask for evidence.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

you are jumping to alot of conclusions without evidence. there's no evidence the creation of the universe was because of a specific will.

you are assuming that a being with great power must be omnipotent. that is a big assumption. a being could be outside our knowledge or understanding and not be omnipotent. to a neanderthal we might seem like Gods with our guns, cars, etc. just because they can't understand us they could jump to that conclusion. you are likewise assuming that a being with abilities greater than ours own must be a god.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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And the reason we are disunited is because of political and financial interest of certain powerful elites. Free will.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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OK, I didn't misunderstood. what I'm saying base on our understanding of the origins of the universe that whatever brought it into existence must omnipotent! why? because we understand that the universe had a starting point and some say like Lawrence krauss for example that before the universe there were a quantum fluctuations and is the cause for the "big bang", now he stops there and he argues that no need to include a creator because that explains it but not really. Because it's a sea of particles they are apart of the structure of the universe it must have a will, so we understand that whatever exist must have a will and must be infinite hence all powerful. So if that thing is outside of time and space created a universe with natural processing system it must be all knowing. If that thing doest match the criteria than it must not be the cause.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

I never said a creator had to be a god. a being significantly more powerful than ourselves could be a creator and not be omnipotent.

1) you have misunderstood me. when I say creator I just mean a being that could create. it doesn't need to be omnipotent to create. you assume that it would be.

2) you could be right. but after 2,000 years we are no closer to unity than we ever have been. there hasn't been any progress.

3) again you assume that in order to be a creator they need to be all powerful and omnipotent. an ant might look at a human and think that it is so much more powerful than it, it must be a god. just because a being has the power to create does not mean it's a god.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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what would a creator be like to you ? A being that exist outside of this physical reality, beyond time and space. would he not be all powerful and all knowing? An everlasting being, immortal, internal if he isn't any of these than he is not God.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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1. You not making any sense when it comes to the concept of a creator, as we understand a creator does not commit any mistakes and to say that he created something then lost interest is the same as saying he made a mistake in creating us and that would mean we serve no purpose, it goes against the attributes of a creator.

2. The process isn't over yet. And 2000 yrs wouldn't be enough to convince the world because there would always be skepticism and other world view's and free will. so I'm not really sure what you mean.

3.I can't believe you made that statement lol.
A creator that brought the universe into existence out of nothing can only be by all meaning of the definition of powerful.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

1) why would you think that is illogical? lots of people build things and then lose interest in them. who is to say a creator didn't create mankind, realize we are violent, destructive creatures and then lose interest?

2) it has been 2000 years and the world is incredibly fracture religiously. the world will never agree on 1 religion. if it is a test then 2,000 years of data should have proved to them that we are a failure.

3) a creator doesn't need to be omnipotent. they could just be very powerful by comparison to us.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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I know you said that it's entirely possible that a creator exist, I should have asked why do you say that?

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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If a creator exist and he would be all powerful and all knowing so it be counterintuitive to believe hea not paying attention.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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1. Why would God a creator create something and not pay any attention to it? that's highly illogical.

2. If God was testing our will and intellect to see if we will come to good reason to believe that he exist and willingly worship him, then showing himself to us deceives the purpose of the test.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

1) if there is a creator, that doesn't necessarily mean we're in a simulation pod. it might not even be paying attention.

2) if it were a simulation, why would he need hide? if God really existed and wanted us to worship him then giving vague hints and clues is incredibly cruel. that would mean he triggered 2000 years of religious wars just so he could watch when he could have ended it easily.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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OK, so if a creator exists and we are his creation and we're in a stimulation pod or something and are being examined by him sort of speak, how would he get in contact with us without entirely exposing himself to us?

7 months, 3 weeks ago

a creator? certainly. it is entirely possible that there is a creator.

the Christian version of that creator? absolutely not.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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What's my version of events? Are you even reading my comments? or is it that you had similar conversation that you are already predicting what I'm going to say. Get you shoe out of your mouth and understand what I'm saying, IN A SCIENTIFIC AND RATIONAL VIEW A CREATOR MAKES MORE SENSE.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

but there is no more evidence of the Christian God than there is for the Muslim version, or for Odin or Zeus. each gives a supernatural reason for humans to exist. your version of events makes no more sense than theirs.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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I said no such thing! What I said is "there is more good reasons to believe in a creator than there is not to" . One first need to do a intellectual investigation on all theories and which point most likely to be true.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

so because we haven't advanced to the point that we can prove what happened that is evidence that religion is correct?

so because I can't prove how the universe began I should immediately convert to Hinduism, or Greco-Roman paganism? they too say they know how the universe began and it makes the same amount of sense.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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And also give one reliable evidence of our own evolution.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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What is the cause of the existence of the universe?

7 months, 3 weeks ago

atheists don't believe humans popped into existence. they believe they evolved over millions of years as is supported by massive amounts of evidence.

creationists very much do believe that humans popped into existence because a magical being willed it so. and I agree, anyone who thinks that is probably irational.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

I honestly believe anyone that thinks that we just popped up into existence is extremely irrational and I can bet because of that, it is impossible to reason with an atheist because they do not use reason when it comes to this topic. The most repeated response that an atheist gives is "we don't know" I beg to defer, they don't want to know is what's more true.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
Ben23
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Reasoning is what makes us come to a conclusion to what is most likely to be true, and in this case a creator of the universe is most likely to be true than any other theory of our origins.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

locke i disagree with you read the holy bible.

7 months, 3 weeks ago

I think u are ignorant & stupid for denouncing God. From birth God has ibstilled in you the knowledge that he exists...now when you think you are grown & are exposed to many worldly challenges and ideas, u think that he is not real...careful...do u think the devil is real...if so ... u must kbown that the Lord is real.

7 months, 3 weeks ago
ReeseO
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what do you mean no proof? the fact that we exsist is proof enough. There are so many factors that humans and animals need to live, if we were maybe 1 foot or so closer or further from the sun, we wouldnt exist. And with the bbt an explosion happened and spat out all of the planets. But think about it, if there was an explosoooion massive enough to send Pluto 3.67 billion miles, that would have to be an extremely powerfull explosion that most likely, would destroy Earth, or at least destroy all plant life, microorganisms, and everything on it. and would boil all of the water

8 months ago
Shivam1030688
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Who says....
Some real things needs no proof..
Onlu assumptioms.... Are itslef true for some reasons....
GOD IS THE REASON SO WE BREATH...
AND WE EVEN DIDNT REALISE IT THAT WE BREATH...
EVRY MOVING THINGS needs force....
Each force needs some other force... Alll these forces meets at one end... That is spiritual unknown and that is the state where he exists

8 months ago

there's no proof to prove God is not real

8 months ago

what is real? nothing because all the universe exist since we register from our senses and our thinks. Nothing is real and everything is.

8 months ago

The OP of this isn't real.

8 months, 2 weeks ago

there is no proof to prove god is real

8 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Time is going here since the big bang happened. Everything is so managed by time too, when universe was singularity even almost nothing was managed

10 months, 3 weeks ago

Well I agree to Disagree ur point my Frnz As Science Hasnt proved it...it does not mean that its unreal or absort..If God wouldnt be there then how the time is going on..hw everything is so managed??How??I dnt knw whether their is any Particular God or Lord as we imagine...bt I strong believe there may be something i mn some superior power or force which is considered as God

10 months, 3 weeks ago

And hey, I can claim Zeus or Shiva or Thor want to be trusted and not proven.

10 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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okay, don't answer them again.

11 months ago
neveralone
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it's doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. we would simply come back here but at four thousand posts instead.

11 months ago
makson
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kinda

11 months ago
neveralone
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do you know the definition of insanity?

11 months ago
makson
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Then you can answer again.

11 months ago
neveralone
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there very oversimplified so I'm not surprised they sound illogical.

11 months ago
makson
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I disagree at all those points because they're just illogical.

11 months ago
neveralone
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must of been how I read it. apologies. though I do not recall putting "it is how it is"

11 months ago
makson
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What heat? when I posted that comment before, you said like "yes, it is how it is"

11 months ago
neveralone
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what's with the heat? those are drastic oversimplifications of what my debates were. I am simply defending my side.

11 months ago
makson
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1. Can God leave a certain place if he's omnipresent?
-U can't put the God in the box.
2. If God knows everything, does he know how it is not to know everything?
-Trough Jesus
3. If God knows everything and can everything, can he forget?
-Trinity
4. What was the source of light first 2 days?
-Something
5. How did those women just spawn in the Bible if only people on earth didn't make her?
-Demons
6. How did those animals get in Noah's ark?
-God told to insects (which is contradictable with Bible because Bible says Noah collected them)

Do you have any argument for god's existence? any? cosmological or ontological, literally any?

11 months ago
neveralone
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which would be useless... haha we got problems if we're here just debating on the debate title. haha alright I'm going to stop this one until it gets active again.

11 months ago
makson
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If we make a debate "God is real", it would be totally same, except I will click "no" and you'll click "yes".

11 months ago
neveralone
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I don't spam the app. I have defended my position as such. would you not think it would be frivolous to make a debate on God is real?

11 months ago
makson
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And you can always send an argument why do you disagree. you haven't done that

11 months ago
neveralone
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but it goes under the assumption God isn't real. which since many people believe he is makes this arguement into what it has been. is God real or not.

11 months ago
makson
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I wouldn't think so, because it means you can claim literally everything connected with this

11 months ago

I believe I have usually been fairly open but this debates title doesn't even allow for openness. I have been defending my faith as best I can and trying to help others understand. the title to this debate itself is close minded.

11 months ago
neveralone
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God is outside of time. literally. he made time.

11 months ago
makson
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I give up... You seem like very close minded person

11 months ago
makson
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if there was no time, nothing couldn't happen

11 months ago
neveralone
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no he wouldn't but he did so we could grow. unless you would like to be a statue for eternity

11 months ago
neveralone
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it's was created by God though. until then there was no time

11 months ago
makson
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It's Circular reasoning because he would not have it to start it

11 months ago
makson
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there's no end because time is infinite and God always existed. no end...

11 months ago
neveralone
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at that moment there wasn't. then God started it.

11 months ago
neveralone
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correction Imagine a time line. go left. when you reach the end go a little further. there's God.

11 months ago
makson
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if there's no such thing, you can't have it

11 months ago
makson
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try imagining a timeline. Imagine the creating of the universe, and since God always existed, imagine when you go left and left and left.... there's no end. it's infinity time. God had to spend that time.

11 months ago

if there was no time then it is non-existent and has no value and is illogical to think you have no time when there's no such thing. I already have said plenty of times no.

11 months ago
makson
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if there was no time, God didn't have time to create time. Address y/n question.

11 months ago

it's not a red herring it's a fact. I have said several times he does not need time to create.

11 months ago
makson
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red herring. Did God have to spend infinity time before taking an action? (y/n)

11 months ago
neveralone
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there was no time before God he created everything.

11 months ago
makson
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If God always existed, he had to spend Infiniti time until one point.

11 months ago
neveralone
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he doesn't need infinite time. he chose that moment. sure he could do it any other time but that was when he chose to. their was no requirement of time.

11 months ago
makson
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I don't need infinite time to do that because I wasn't existing always. I just can't explain it to you. There's always before for God and he is omnipotent being that means he shouldn't have to wait Infinity time to actually do that.

11 months ago
neveralone
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then you need an infinite time to do everything. he did it when. he wanted. it's that simple.

11 months ago

punishment and what is sin are two different things. like with your crucified kid. Jesus was for forgiveness most of the time. we are told to help the poor. and the rest of that sounds like something made to the extremes to be against Christians when we don't believe that. we are against homosexuality. we don't kill them. we believe marriage should be a sacred act between man and wife. we again do not kill people for doing it outside marriage. it directly said in the Bible to to dicsipline your kid it doesn't say kill him. plenty of people have to work the Sabbath and that is more of a Catholic thing but technically it is still ours but again we don't kill them. and the two fiber thing was wiped away a long time ago. you need to read what actually happens. Jesus taught forgiveness and kindness. you seem to have gotten a warped veiw of it. also welcome to the app

11 months ago
Kulu
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So by your logic watching someone suffer an unjust punishment such as being crucified for stealing is not a sin? Deciding to leave and abandon the poor, hungry and diseased is not a sin? Not clarifying Gods order to kill homosexuals, non virgin brides, those who criticise their parents, sabath workers, and those who wear clothes off two fibres is not a sin. I find plenty wrong with the actions of Jesus but seems your God is ok with that. Are you?

11 months ago
makson
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yes. that's why he needed infinity time to do it

11 months ago
neveralone
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that's an infinite question. why didn't he do it before then and gen before then ect. he chose that time.

11 months ago
makson
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he didn't need what?

11 months ago
makson
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Why didn't he do that earlier so we could be better civilisation by now?

11 months ago
neveralone
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he didn't need it. sure it was there just like any of our actions but it wasn't needed.

11 months ago
neveralone
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he could of but he chose that time. this is like asking why someone slept then. sure he could of done it later but he chose then.

11 months ago
makson
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I know.
syngll:
1) God always existed.
2) God existed before any action.
3) Every time God did something, he could of have done it earlier.
4) Therefore God needs infinity time before he does an action because he existed always before that action.

11 months ago
makson
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he couldn't do it earlier?

11 months ago
neveralone
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always existing not always doing something

11 months ago
neveralone
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always existing not always doing something

11 months ago
neveralone
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when he started it.

11 months ago
makson
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if God always existed, he needed infinite amount of time to make a universe. because always existed means infinity

11 months ago
makson
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1) When could he make universe earliest time?

11 months ago
neveralone
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2) I don't follow your logic there. does it take you an infinite time to do things?

11 months ago
neveralone
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1) what do you mean when is the most before? are you asking why he didn't do it earlier?

11 months ago
makson
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2) God existed always and therefore his every action needs infinity time to be done. Why did he need infinity time to create a universe?

11 months ago
makson
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1) When is the most before?

11 months ago
neveralone
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2) could you explain what you mean

11 months ago
neveralone
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1) why should he?

11 months ago
makson
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1) When could he start the universe most early? (when he wanted to) but why didn't he do it before?
2) Why did it take infinity time for an omnipotent being to make a universe?

11 months ago
makson
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okay

11 months ago
neveralone
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could you explain what you mean here?

11 months ago
neveralone
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I asked if you would include them on crime and you said no. it's the same here.

11 months ago
makson
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When could he want to make universe most early? why did it take infinity time to an omnipotent being to do that?

11 months ago
makson
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"everyone" includes them

11 months ago
neveralone
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I think either were talking about two different things or I'm just not understanding your question.

11 months ago
neveralone
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it's the same here. you wouldn't count that for crimes we don't count it for sin.

11 months ago
neveralone
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whenever he wanted.

11 months ago
makson
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red herring. When could he want to make universe most early? why did it take infinity time to an omnipotent being to do that?

11 months ago
makson
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no but they aren't sinful and you said everyone is

11 months ago
neveralone
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whenever he wanted.

11 months ago
neveralone
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if u we're counting how many people havent done a crime do you include them?

11 months ago
makson
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When if the earliest moment God could make a universe and why did he need infinity time to do that?

11 months ago
makson
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and what about babies who lived 1 second?

11 months ago
neveralone
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it does refer to infinity.

11 months ago
neveralone
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and I and everyone else have failed it one way or another.

11 months ago
makson
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that doesn't refer to time

11 months ago
makson
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God told you not to sin...

11 months ago
neveralone
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there is technically an infinite amount of numbers between 0-1 for example, .1, .2, .3... it can literally go on forever but there is also an infinite amount of numbers like 1, 2, 3... such is the debate of if there is a bigger infinity.

11 months ago

no my friend. my morality isn't that. I base my morals on what God tells me. there has only been one person who has never sinned in their life. his name was Jesus and we crucified him.

11 months ago
makson
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can you explain what do you mean?

11 months ago
makson
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You do because your morality is based like: don't sin and you'll go to heaven

11 months ago
neveralone
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that gets into the argument of if there can be a smaller infinity or not. like there are an infinite amount decimal numbers between 0-1 but some think that the literal infinite amount of numbers we could count to should be considered bigger. ur arguement relies on this arguement.

11 months ago

I don't live to go to heaven. but a chance nonetheless.

11 months ago
makson
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Can you address this?

11 months ago
makson
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you don't? you live to go to heaven. I believe in such a small chance because... The chance isn't really that much small, the number I used is just an example. The chances for a star to explode are the chances we're talking about. it's small chance for star to explode, but sometimes it will. and because the chances aren't really big, that's why I love life

11 months ago
neveralone
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I dont. but does it not seem strange to you that you believe in such a miniscule chance happening when stuff around you seems to have a order to it?

11 months ago
makson
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yes. That's why you shouldn't live to die

11 months ago
neveralone
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but it's still a chance and an even extremely smaller one than the coin example

11 months ago
makson
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more times you repeat it, the bigger are the chances

11 months ago
neveralone
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the more sides the less of a chance

11 months ago
makson
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Now, a lot of people believe this is big bang:
Something exploded and came from nothing.
Or:
The universe has always existed in a smaller form and then it exploded.
But the real big bang theory is far more different:
The universe existed always. When there was nothing, except the quantum fields what are always there, the matter got into existence because quantum fields (hard to explain why) and it was concentrated at very small place without space. Like if we remove all space between atoms, the whole universe without space was in a small place. Then it started expanding due to energy overload. Before time, it had time to get into existence because time is illusion and time = space. After many billions of years, the giant black hole will turn the universe into nothing and everything will start again (hard to explain why the black hole does that). And one that process is called a contraction. Universe is always contracting and will always contract. Now, to disprove creationism and first two incorrect theories....
Imagine a time line. You can put infinite time on it. The God existed always. If he existed always, and if he made a universe 13.8 billions years ago, why did it take infinity? for him to make a universe? He could do that 1000000000 billions years ago, but since the infinity is the term we're talking about, we will end up with the same conclusion.
Attempt of illustration:
...----------!----
! = Big bang;
If you go left:
...---!-----
There's still infinity, so if something always existed like that, the problem is the big bang point. He could do it before and even if he did, we would end up with same conclusion. The nothing I was referring to means nothing without matter and with quantum fields because other nothing doesn't exist and nothing without matter and without quantum fields can't exist. Therefore God isn't eternal or infinite, and he doesn't exist because the whole theory is pointless if he didn't always existed. This anti-evidence doesn't work for the big bang (contractions) theory because it has always been contracting and there's no single point we can refer to.

11 months ago
makson
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if you flip a coin with 1000000 different sides (ik it's not possible but just figuratively), the chance depends how many times will you flip it.

11 months ago
neveralone
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it is a very small chance though. sure if I flip a coin technically it's a fifty fifty shot but it is still very possible that everytime I flip it I get heads and never get tails.

11 months ago
makson
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It happened by a chance because the chance was repeated many times

11 months ago
neveralone
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exactly. it's awesome but unbelievably lucky that it happened by chance. that just the right amount of everything came together and made all this

11 months ago
makson
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life came from very complex molecules. it was not literal nothing

11 months ago
neveralone
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something coming out of nothing? or even life coming from all this.

11 months ago

Now, a lot of people believe this is big bang:
Something exploded and came from nothing.
Or:
The universe has always existed in a smaller form and then it exploded.
But the real big bang theory is far more different:
The universe existed always. When there was nothing, except the quantum fields what are always there, the matter got into existence because quantum fields (hard to explain why) and it was concentrated at very small place without space. Like if we remove all space between atoms, the whole universe without space was in a small place. Then it started expanding due to energy overload. Before time, it had time to get into existence because time is illusion and time = space. After many billions of years, the giant black hole will turn the universe into nothing and everything will start again (hard to explain why the black hole does that). And one that process is called a contraction. Universe is always contracting and will always contract. Now, to disprove creationism and first two incorrect theories....
Imagine a time line. You can put infinite time on it. The God existed always. If he existed always, and if he made a universe 13.8 billions years ago, why did it take infinity? for him to make a universe? He could do that 1000000000 billions years ago, but since the infinity is the term we're talking about, we will end up with the same conclusion.
Attempt of illustration:
...----------!----
! = Big bang;
If you go left:
...---!-----
There's still infinity, so if something always existed like that, the problem is the big bang point. He could do it before and even if he did, we would end up with same conclusion. The nothing I was referring to means nothing without matter and with quantum fields because other nothing doesn't exist and nothing without matter and without quantum fields can't exist. Therefore God isn't eternal or infinite, and he doesn't exist because the whole theory is pointless if he didn't always existed. This anti-evidence doesn't work for the big bang (contractions) theory because it has always been contracting and there's no single point we can refer to.

11 months ago
makson
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what is chaotical in that?

11 months ago
neveralone
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you understand that that doesn't make sense?

11 months ago
makson
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there was no explosion, it might sound chaotically but it isn't

11 months ago
neveralone
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you don't think a world coming out of a black hole is chaotic?

11 months ago
makson
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what chaos?

11 months ago
neveralone
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idk all the laws but that there are some certainly seems interesting for a universe born out of chaos.

11 months ago
makson
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How do you explain supernatural with all laws included?

11 months ago
neveralone
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what?

11 months ago
makson
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I can't find the source right now, it means 3 days pause

11 months ago

btw I won't be on here tomorrow or the day after.

11 months ago
makson
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it's illogical because if he's everywhere, his voice is everywhere

11 months ago
neveralone
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depends on how he wishes to he heard.

11 months ago
makson
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There's no much similarities? I am bored to give you all the similarities, but I'll do it tomorrow. When God speaks, everyone can hear him because he's omnipresent, right?

11 months ago
neveralone
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he isn't in that one spot more than everywhere else. he just gives u something to look at to help. if a voice just comes booming everywhere around u would u not be freaked out? its pretty much a courtesy to u.

if u mean the egyptian god Horus then no there isn't much similarities.

11 months ago
makson
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It's illogical to be everywhere and in one place more then that something can come from nothing.
PS: How do you explain the similarities with Horus and Jesus? It's too much to be a coincidence

11 months ago
neveralone
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this is again the physical manifestation of God.

11 months ago
makson
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If God sits on a throne above the circle of earth, he's not omnipresent because he's only at one place - throne.

11 months ago
makson
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if the"corners" is mistranslation, that's it's true meaning?

11 months ago
neveralone
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it says so right after that. that the angels release the four winds.

11 months ago
Nemiroff
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ah we are back on this!
great I've been meaning to ask.

you say sphere does not have corners, therefore 4 it means earth is flat.

I quoted "he sits on a throne above the circle of the earth"

And you said "it's a flat circle" (I don't know how, maybe random guess? lol)

But even if it is flat circle, a circle of any kind still has no corners...

so the "corners" must be a mistranslation or their word for something else, like the cardinal directions.

And cannot possible mean anything regarding flatness.

11 months ago
makson
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But how do you know it's talking about the winds?

11 months ago
neveralone
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back then that is an often phrase. I believe mostly used by sailors. but not for sure on that. they would say as such since the wind could come from the north east south or west. ergo the four corners.

11 months ago
makson
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the wind has corners?

11 months ago
neveralone
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it's talking about the wind. seeing the future events that happen in Revelations. this is a guy during Jesus's time. he isn't going to be able to explain it very well don't u think? he isn't God.

11 months ago
makson
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4 corners at the earth doesn't mean it's flat?

11 months ago
neveralone
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again the Bible does not.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I don't, but the Bible says it is.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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do u believe the earth is flat?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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okay, is the earth flat?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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no it's not just like it's not for the flat Earth. if u ever want this debate to move forward u will need to leave past arguement behind

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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it isn't said directly, but it's said like for the flat earth

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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those are guesses on how long. it isn't the official time.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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5 days + before Abraham (2000 years) and Abraham has lived before 4000 years (2000 yrs BC) so
5 days + ~2000 yrs + ~4000yrs = 6000yrs

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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the Bible itself doesn't say how old the earth is. people reading the Bible do.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Bible says God made humans 6-10k years ago and evolution says totally different things

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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proven God? never. nor do I think it ever will because God isn't something to be proven. now when has something science has shown that seems to go with the Bible. all the time.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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when is the last time the science has proven God?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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u r under the idea they go agaisnt each other and can't exist. they don't.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Other Christian said a different story, it's always like that.... Why do you believe that story of you can choose science what is not contradictable or impossible?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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u r thinking biologically. God creates us. he chooses wether we live or not. do u think God would let them get pregnant when he's about to do the flood? no.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Do you really claim that in entire world there was no baby? If they were sinning so much, they would cheat their wives, right? That means baby comes because there was no condoms...

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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yes

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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unborn babies cant do anything much besides grow so they are definitely without sin.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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with Benjamin Franklin.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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And unborn babies?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I had a personal experience with him

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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it says he was man and son of God. for the flood thing that can be infered by it saying that there was nothing without sin. babies can't sin. ergo if there is no one without sin and babies can't sin the. there couldn't of been any.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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it's amazing that u were there to hear him talk. most of us don't have such a chance.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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But the Bible doesn't say Jesus wasn't half duck like it doesn't say there were no children in the flood

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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his voice was men's voice and in combination with his face, the chances he was a man are pretty big to become a fact

11 months, 1 week ago

the point is that though it's obviously ridiculous it cant be disproven. except the women thing. just dig up his bones and do a dna sample to prove it's him and that it's male.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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some women have guys faces.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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his face was anatomically? men's face

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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people could of changed the paintings.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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he didn't look like a woman

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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a link would still be interesting.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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why can't u disprove that Benjamin Franklin is a women?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I'm talking about the big bang

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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If it's illogical, why can't you disprove it?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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well in God intervening all the time I would say look what happened when he did. they would thank him for a little time and then go back to sinning usually doing more. society could also maybe be seen as a baby to God back then and needed strong guidance but now we are matured to child age and can look after ourselves a bit more. on healings and the such they still happen. not as often as in the Bible but they still do.

11 months, 1 week ago
PsychDave
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Then why did God speak to so many people in the past? What happened that God became shy? People used to perform miracles in God's name, but now not even the Pope will heal dying children. What changed?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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I already believe as such but I would be interested if u provided a link

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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exactly. it's illogical to believe Benjamin was a women or had a skunks tail just like it's ridiculous to think Jesus had a duck head

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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With the research, you will understand how something can come from nothing and something eternal.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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same as duck headed Jesus and skunks tail

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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hit reply

11 months, 1 week ago

God doesn't want to be proven. he wants to be trusted.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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just answer me can you prove the existence of God? what I didn't answer?

11 months, 1 week ago

ur going circular again. btw u didn't answer the debate.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Can you prove God exists?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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where r u going with research? btw since u can't prove they didn't have a skunks tail or was actually a women then by ur logic they are women and they do have a skunks tail

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Research about quantum fields

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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what?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I can't prove they don't. You don't understand quantum fields, research about them bit

11 months, 1 week ago

btw plenty of great thinkers and inventors and scientist at least admit that the idea could be true so it isn't illogical.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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it's illogical to think something can't come from nothing?ps. prove Alexander doesn't have a sounds tail or Benjamin wasn't a women.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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there's no evidence of god's existence and it's illogical to think he exists. PS: You still haven't disproved Jesus with a duck - head

11 months, 1 week ago

there is no evidence as such. and it's simply illogical to think he did.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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can you prove he didn't have a duck head?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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probably

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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exactly it doesn't say he had a duck head anywhere. it's ridiculous. also if someone had a duck head do u not think that's worth mentioning? ps do u seriously think he had a duck head?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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must of linked u with someone else

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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How do you know that if the Bible doesn't say he wasn't?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I never said God can't

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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he was all man. there was no duck head. idk where u got that odd idea.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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so u can give that trait to it but God can't possibly always have been here?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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A man with a head of a duck

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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It had no beginning, it was happening always

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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I have a strange belief since the records show a man. not an weird Egyptian god

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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and what began that

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Yes, he's omnipotent. Or in other case, only his head was a head of a duck. Everything was same, except his head.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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the black hole wasn't supposed to start big bang, I mean it starts a contraction and the big bang is contracting always. The things got into existence because of quantum fields

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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u think that a human birthed a duck that could speak heal people (specifically said with hands so duck already out) cast out demons, walk on water, make food for thousands from bread and fish, take up all sin, get tortured and put on trial, nailed to a cross, stabbed in the side, rose from the dead after 3 days, and was also a man?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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and where did the star come from if the black hole was supposed to start the big bang

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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It didn't. It came from like death of a star. PS: Jesus was a duck because there's no place in the Bible that says he wasn't.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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so how did a black hole come from nothing

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Black holes are being bigger and bigger,,......

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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do how can a black hole do that. and I would say he only has forever existed.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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I don't think I've said that, but God can't do both unless he stop existing and then start existing, then stop and start....... If God always existed, he couldn't have come from nothing. If God came from nothing, he couldn't have always existed

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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u have said God can't exist forever and that he can't just come from nothing. yet u give these attributes to a black hole.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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what?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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these are things u have gone against when on the other side. u do realize that right?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Possibilities:
1) Came from? nothing
2) Always existed
3) Both
The big bang is both

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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just out of curiosity where exactly does it go and are u sure it's the same one. then simply replace black hole with universe on my last debate.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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The black hole doesn't exist always. universe does

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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and yet u rely on a black hole that has always existed and always will. does that not sound familiar but with less living qualities?

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Yes. I don't need faith for black holes

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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this is the same arguement that u put on about if both were forgotten science would be the only thing remembered and again it relies completely on if the faith is wrong.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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The same results come from the same tests. People would conclude it in 1000 years if we forget it now

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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and before that and before that ect. u seem to put a lot of faith in a black hole forever existing.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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it will lose energy, stop expanding, the black hole will turn it to nothing and here we go again!

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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It didn't exist because the black hole before turned previous contraction into nothing.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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or simply Revelations. take ur pick.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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and from what I'm reading here it sounds like it didn't exist at one point. though if I remember correctly they beleive the universe was actually quite small and inflated to the size we see today and is continuing to expand.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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And it's contracting! For few billion years the giant black hole will turn everything to nothing and everything will start again (another contraction-another big bang)

11 months, 1 week ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.space.com/24781-big-bang-theory-alternatives-infographic.html

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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The big bang says the universe always existed and it's contracting. You obviously didn't know this, please educate yourself at this topic

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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idk haven't really looked into it much. there's obviously the big bang.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Could you tell me other theories?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that is one of many theories.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Science is contradictable with God.
Science says universe always existed in one form or another.
Religion says God always existed.

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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I accept science for what it is. seeking truth. I enjoy it quite a bit. there is no compromise on my faith or how I look at science

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Why don't you accept the science like it is, without supernatural and without mixes?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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I do both. there not agaisnt each other. I accept my ignorance in many areas and look to science and religion for answers. if u look at their differences that will be all u see but there are similarities as well.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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So, there's many things you don't know our believe in supernatural. Why don't you choose science?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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who knows. though forgetting is probably not something he does and not being able to is certainly not a weakness

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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Is he able now, since he's all powerful?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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he was able to forget.

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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You say he can know everything and forget in same time

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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forget? he was human...

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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How can Jesus do that if he knows everything too?

11 months, 1 week ago
neveralone
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that's more on Jesus. though it might converge with God as well

11 months, 1 week ago
makson
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So, God is able to learn, forget, remember or something like that? He can learn before and after knowing everything?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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theoretically. though the only one stated to know everything is God.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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they all know everything?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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God is directly spoken on this though they all probably are

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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so who of them knows everything?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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I read it. the best way I know is think of a map. the beginning and end is God. the actual path is Jesus and a guide would be the holy Spirit. they all are part of the map but each with there own jobs.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Explain it like how someone has explained it to you?

11 months, 2 weeks ago

do u know an easy way to explain the trinity?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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you're answering by "It's hard to explain"

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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no I am answering a challenge

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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You're setting the things up for you

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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it's not an excuse if it's true.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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that's just an excuse?
2k arguments!!!

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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it's a complex trinity. they are separate but also one. it gets very complex and I'm probably not the best at explaining it.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Jesus isn't the God, he's another person.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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Jesus did a lot of the learning and I wouldn't say knowing everything makes u flawed.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Learning is an example.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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what do u mean by impossible?

11 months, 2 weeks ago

You say God can do everything but he can't do some things that are impossible? Then he canNOT do everything.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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u understand how it works. but to truly feel how it works is where Jesus comes in.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I see it's working, but I can't feel it working.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that is an debate inside the church

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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how can u know how a computer program works when ur not a computer?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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He can make a mistake? He already did. (Noah's flood because he repented after that)

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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How can he know something if he has never done that?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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being able to do something and doing it are two different things. u have the ability to kill why aren't u on a killing rampage?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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he made us, our brain, and all our feelings. yes he knows what it feels like

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Does God know how it feels when you do a mistake?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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By having unlimited power, you can do everything, right? Everything includes mistakes.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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that would be omniscience and no it does not include mistakes or ignorance. in fact omniscience requires the complete absence of ignorance.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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actually omnipotence just means unlimited or great power. it doesn't say anything about mistakes or things as such.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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omnipotence includes making mistakes...

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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How about this:
it doesn't say, to my knowledge, that he can do anything anywhere in the bible. it says he's all powerful, and all knowing.

so yes, there are things he can't do, like mistakes, ignorance and weakness.

Good job, you just argued for gods greatness cause you proved he can't be anything but perfection :D

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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If you say "he can't" that means he's not omnipotent. He's beyond our understanding and he could do that, but he can't.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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he can't do mistakes, he can't have a moment of weakness, he can't display ignorance.

Yes, he can't display flaws. that isn't a flaw.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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"He can't do them" is contradictable with "he can do everything"

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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he can't not do them because they are against his nature, he can't do them because they are already done.

It's like saying Steven hawking can't learn basic physics (because he has long mastered them) therefore he must be an idiot.

And not being able to grow because you are everything is not a limitation!
Not being able to learn because you know everything is not a flaw!
Not being able to create something you can't lift because there is nothing you Can't lift is not a weakness!

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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But if it's logically impossible it means it's against his nature. If he can't do things that are against his nature, he's not omnipotent. Here would addressing my previous argument come.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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nothing about what he said suggests everyone is omnipotent.
The issue is omnipresence, not omnipotence.
Not being able to grow because you are everything is not an excuse. growing would be a logical impossibility in that situation.
And not being able to grow because you are everything is not a limitation!
Not being able to learn because you know everything is not a flaw!
Not being able to create something you can't lift because there is nothing you Can't lift is not a weakness!

Why is it that every time I open this thread I see the same failing argument!
Are you najam or something? (I know your not, just driving the point home, hopefully)

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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that's just an excuse. by your logic, everyone is omnipotent. "If you occupy all space, is there anywhere to grow?" is an excuse. It means "it's against his nature", but whatever you ask me 'can I do something?', I can just provide an excuse or "it's against my own nature"

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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if u occupy all space is there anywhere to grow? depends what u define as grow. technically he could go in human form and then grow in size but he occupies all space so...haha

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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He didn't really grow? Is he able to really grow?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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the arguement right below urs answers that.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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if he's omnipotent he could grow without a phisycal manifestation? how?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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well I was going to say when he comes in human form but he is still omnipresent then so he didn't really grow but how can an omnipresent being even grow when it occupies all space?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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How can an omnipresent being grow?
they did not mean mentally, they meant physically. god isn't even physical.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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neveralone assumed as such from a more philosophical standpoint and replied with a question rather than an answer of certainty.

my response also had the qualifier of "life as we define it" because the definition of life can change. we've only ever experienced one kind of life, our own. making final assumptions on such a small pool of examples is stupid.

You too should add alittle uncertainty to your uncertain statements, because your argument becomes weak if you are repeatedly wrong. I agree with your conclusion, god is most likely not alive, but your definition of life was dead wrong.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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click the reply button

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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so you can't prove existence of something alive, everywhere, doing good things?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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yeah haha

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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going on 2k, I can see that lol

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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I replied to it.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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And neveralone? said he is

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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i said that out of annoyance and will delete. I don't truly think so.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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well he could technically grow. now reproducing is a bit harder. Jesus is a direct son but wasn't made through sex or other such reproducing methods but is still technically God's direct son.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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god is not alive by our definition because he does not grow and does not reproduce.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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evolution is the only sensible explanation that fits all the evidence we find.

not a few cherry picked scenarios while ignoring alternative explanations and ignoring conflicting evidence. ALL OF IT.

there is no viable alternative to evolution.
And no intelligent design is not an alternative. It's many flaws and assumptions aside, all it says is that there must be a designer. it says nothing about the design which may as well include evolution. likewise evolution only describes the process, not the source of the process.

so intelligent design literally says nothing.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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no it doesn't

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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definition of alive includes consuming food and breathing

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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why wouldn't he be?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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is God alive?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that doesn't show brains it shows stupidity and lack of curiosity. science explores the unknown and asks the infinite question of why. it gladly tries to find out strange and new things. not do surveys and learn nothing.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Yes.
1) Human fossils are graduated an more complex then for an example Lucy.
2) 1% of people in Africa have evolved to be immune to AIDS, so HIV can't make it.
3) DNA comparation.
4) Comparative anatomy.
5) Molecular biology.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Because people are getting smarter

11 months, 2 weeks ago

Makson, can you prove evolution created us?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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trying... and they never will

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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how many scientist and researchers are trying to prove it? any that have tried become laughing stocks and anything they info they find gets tossed.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I know they've used reason.... Your life is based at believing in an unproven book?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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they also had logic and reason and used both as well. else they couldn't use that system. either ur wanting religion to seem to only be used by illogical people or being intellectually dishonest. u remember how I said unless ur open to the idea this will get nowhere?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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And they used it like this:
Available:
1) religion
2) nothing
Eliminate:
2) nothing
Use:
religion

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that system has been used in that time and probably before then. it's one of the oldest systems.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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Aristotle didn't know how it works, he was just amazed. It has to do something with it because they have used the system of elimination.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that has nothing to do with it. also Aristotle is another example why saying the age doesn't matter isn't true.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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But those people didn't know about the evolution (except Aristotle but noone took it as real)

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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that doesn't change anything?. there was still plenty of logic and wisdom. to say that means nothing of that time has any worth when it obviously does.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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In this case it does because people didn't know almost anything about science

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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age doesn't make it a lie. or else the idea of gravity is a lie.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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So your life is based at faith that 2000 years old book is real? Seriously?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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not really. to actually prove the Bible u would have to have Jesus to come down and say it. which all things considering u wouldn't want. that is the start of Revelations

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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yes, but it's same

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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u did read the part where I said it didn't prove it right?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I didn't only looking up to Google translate and we've passed through that, I said "nevermind"...

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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If I write a book with real places and events and include an unicorn, would that unicorn be real?

11 months, 2 weeks ago

Makson, are you really looking for answers, or are you looking for reasons not to believe the Bible?

When I pointed out that a word from hebrew one time was mistranslated, you kept telling me that I was wrong because you put the word into google translate. I looked at the real and possible meanings of the word.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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it shows real places and events. that may not fully show it but it certainly helps.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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you still haven't proved it is

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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so? saying penguins will fly isn't technically a lie. they do so now. on planes.haha
seriously though ur going back to the argument of if the Bible is trustworthy or not.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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I could claim whatever I want without time limit and it can't be disproven.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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there is a time. God's got it set and has said the signs for when it will happen. but a time limit isn't needed for something to make sense

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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It doesn't make sense because a prophecy without a time limit can't be wrong. (there's always a next day so...)

11 months, 2 weeks ago
makson
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My prophecy: At 4010th year, penguins will start to fly.

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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as a side note it is said only God knows when it will happen

11 months, 2 weeks ago
neveralone
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if ur seeing everything happening in Revelations are u going to ask what time it's in?

11 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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if prophecies don't come with a fulfill by date, they are pathetic and invalid. And definitely not worthy of prophets of a perfect god. they are scams perpetuated by frauds.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it's their phrophcies so I don't think their going to get it wrong unless it doesn't come true. as a side note if u have been under the mindset of the Bible being wrong this whole time then it's no wonder we have been going on this long. if u don't change that then we won't be able to move forward.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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then they were wrong as BIBLE is

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I think psychdave or nemiroff gave a percentage for the KJV which was 90 something percent accurate. most of the time it's how u interpret it. their are a ton of metaphors and similes in the Bible.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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well back then people described it looking like a square when they look out and a lot of people who just look would say the same. especially if their are four angels making the "corners" I would bet.

11 months, 3 weeks ago

well I don't think they know about spheres or to call them that back then. it would more than likely still be called a circle back then. it didn't sound like a mistranslation. I think my answer easily answers it.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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the whole Bible is mistranslated

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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no, it looks like I'm on a circle plate.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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nice point, however, how do you explain Isaiah 40 22?

"he sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth"?

as for the corners line, at first i believed it was a reference to the 4 cardinal directions, but according to

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html

It's a mistranslation with the Greek work of quadrants which was a reference to maps.
@neveralone this is what others and I have tries to say when we said mistranslations can drastically change meanings.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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when u look around there seems to be four sides doesn't it? this is from John. he was a man describing what he saw. if u saw four angels far out each in different? directions then u would probably describe it the same would u not?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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does 4 corners exist at sphere?

11 months, 3 weeks ago

Also, 4 corners argument doesnt prove anything

11 months, 3 weeks ago

1. The Bible isn't meant to be science book
2. That doesn't mean there can't be any science in it
3. God made stuff in such a way that it could be discovered.
4. Modern society had to catch up to the Bible's standards of medicine
5. Somehow a guy discovered that there are 10 dimesions in the Bible. Science has discovered that there are in fact 10 dimensions

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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John. it is told by John. he had this as a prophesy.

11 months, 3 weeks ago

You cretins haven't got rid of this blasphemous post yet?
Only ingrates reject faith!

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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As far as God can see?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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it is as far as he can see.
I did some quick research. apparently we discovered that the earth was round in bc while Revelations was written in ad.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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"angels at four corners", that means earth is square

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u misunderstood it. if u read on it talks about holding the 4 winds of the earth. north,east, south,west. this is as far as he can see not a literal corner.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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if the Bible interprets anything close it would be that the earth isn't hold up by an animal. it says he created the heaven and the earth.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Revelations 7:1

11 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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where?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Bible says the world is flat

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I meant something else...

11 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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I've never seen the word hydrogen in the bible.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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science is a tool. it only tells what it's pointed to. at the same time God gave an answer to people about this science of that time was saying the world was flat.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u must of misunderstood. if u are a baby should I start telling u the big bang theory and all details in exactly how I made it? no u wouldn't comprehend. God made it simple because we weren't ready for stuff as advanced for that time as atoms which we don't even fully understand today.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Well, sciences does and a perfect being doesn't hmmm

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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According to the big bang:
1. Universe and darkness (always existed)
2. Hydrogen
3. Light
According to the Bible:
1. God and darkness (always existed)
2. Light
3. Hydrogen

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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the Bible Says he said let there be light. if u were about as smart as a cave man do u think God is going to go into details like atoms?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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hydrogen was the first atom. before hydrogen can exist, electrons have to first exist, and other subatomic particles.

And light wasn't the first thing to exist in the bible. first it was darkness. And you can have all the hydrogen in the world, its still darkness :P

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Not really, but I'm talking about substances and the first matter was hydrogen. If hydrogen was first matter then light couldn't be the first thing that existed according to the Bible.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I know. Still doesn't change literally anything.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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but God is not.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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light is matter.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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lights and sun are two different things.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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According to the Bible, light existed before matter. According to the big bang light got into existence after the matter (300000yrs)

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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yes

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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then it still fits.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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that it's likely?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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In a way, yes.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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then prove it

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u mean expanding instantly or very quickly.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I can prove its likely but until Revelations it won't be proven.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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when you pump a balloon

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Can you prove God exists?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I never gave that arguement so I didn't answer those questions because there is no reason.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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describe what u mean by a balloon.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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click replied to button to see what points

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Big bang isn't described as an istant boom, it wasn't even an explosion. Big bang was like a ballon. The light has occurred 300000 years after the big bang.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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the big bang is described as an instant boom. much life if a God said let there be light... God's a different being than us do u think he counts time the same? depending how far u believe in evolution but even then u could argue that just like evolution animals were the clay for our mold. what points?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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some things are eternal and they exist forever.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Evolution without a big bang cannot occur. Also the first few days God couldn't make animals because animals evolved for billion of years. And God couldn't create humans because humans were created by animals. Also, what about other things I've said?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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not really. evolution could simply be a tool.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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but it is contradictable surf Christianity

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I didn't say that and I disagree with ur evolution statement.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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neveralone, I know you don't have evidence of god's existence. But then you ask me "Can you prove he doesn't exist"...
1) How can I disprove something unproven?
2) By that logic we should believe in everything? unproven (Zeus, unicorns, superman...)
3) 1% of people in Africa who evolved to be immune to AIDS is proof of evolution and evolution is contradictable with religion.
4) Can you prove Zeus doesn't exist?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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No defending the assumption that nonexistence is the default state?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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there's nothing contradictory between those 2.

11 months, 3 weeks ago

If i were to make an argument against the likelihood of the existence of god I would cite the recent developments in the research of the physics of "empty" space. Its far from empty and is bustling with quantum activity.

it appears that a vacuum is not nature's default state and nature actually abhors a vacuum. a vacuum is an extremely high energy state and the existence of matter is the lower energy state nature craves.

the point is that religion treats existence as some unlikely event when it appears increasingly to be the default state or things. why do we assume that without a creator nothingness will be the default.

of course nothing appears to be the logical default but with the discovery that nothing is far from empty, existence isn't just likely, it is a necessity.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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so there's a reason he is not omnipotent, because he's omniscient

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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can he learn without throwing out his knowledge?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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this is an endless debate. My frustration is the identical point, not that the overall debate is long.

this is the ultimate debate.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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I feel the same If were still doing this at two thousand post then I'm going to other debates because this will go on forever at this rate.

11 months, 3 weeks ago

haven't checked in here in a while.
once again, not having a flaw does not take away from perfection.

if the reason one can't learn is because they already know everything, that's not a flaw.

1000 posts later, same argument.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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technically he could plausably repress knowledge to learn it again but there would be no sense in that.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I'm not asking you why, I'm asking can he?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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why would God need to learn something?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I can learn. God can't since he's omniscient.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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unless he thought the price was too high

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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that would technically go against the all powerful thing.

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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I meant something God can't do even if he wants to

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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u can sin. logically he can't since sin is directly against his will

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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Can I do something God can't? (something what doesn't fit his nature)?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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God doesn't plan anyone to fail. u choose to go off the path can u blame God that it doesn't? work out?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
makson
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And God planned we'll fail. Why?

11 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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no it isn't. we have a purpose here but we can fail to do it. each one is different.

11 months, 4 weeks ago
makson
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many criminals are Muslim and Christian because the laws of a state are different with laws of holly book

11 months, 4 weeks ago
makson
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death is not filling life purpose

11 months, 4 weeks ago

No criminal wants to die and go where false god police have no power.
They say there is no God so they can substitute police instead.
They say there is no heaven, so they can substitute Earth instead.

11 months, 4 weeks ago
neveralone
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there is a difference between dieing without filling ur purpose and dieing after u have. life's purpose isn't death.

11 months, 4 weeks ago
makson
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then why did you say not filling life purpose (death) isn't bad?

11 months, 4 weeks ago
neveralone
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because they may not have filled their lives purpose yet.

11 months, 4 weeks ago
makson
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why do you pray for them not to die if death isn't bad?

11 months, 4 weeks ago
neveralone
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which is where it becomes obvious that God hand was in the situation. there is actually a hilarious movie that has (a little) bit of what happened in it. I believe it's Evan Almighty. though Bruce Almighty is good too and may actually help u understand God while getting plenty of laughs.

11 months, 4 weeks ago

I pray for many things. why do we die?

11 months, 4 weeks ago
makson
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Also, do you really believe 2 penguines walked all the way from Antarctica to the middle east to get abroad an ark built by a 500 year old man?

11 months, 4 weeks ago
makson
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then why? are you praying for starving children?

11 months, 4 weeks ago
neveralone
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death isn't evil in itself. it is an event that must happen. would u say puberty is evil?

11 months, 4 weeks ago
makson
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30k of kids die every day

12 months ago
neveralone
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we help those kids all the time. it's our fault their lives are messed up not God's. churches and other donators help them all the time.

12 months ago
makson
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he abandoned starving children in Africa

12 months ago
neveralone
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well the books we are fairly sure who wrote them by tracing as best as we can. on God's guidance he never has abandon us.

12 months ago
makson
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several books and God's guidance...

12 months ago
neveralone
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which part?

12 months ago
makson
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how do u know that?

12 months ago
neveralone
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the Bible itself? no it's multiple writings that was put together I believe after Jesus died. before then it was several books and God's guidance.

12 months ago
makson
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Did Bible even exist before the flood?

12 months ago
neveralone
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he showed himself throughout the bible.if he is all knowing then he knows every way and believed this way was best. could u say ur all knowing?

12 months ago

Road to 2k xddd

12 months ago
makson
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A God is evil because he killed them all and didn't find better solution, like to show himself maybe?

12 months ago
neveralone
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u did read the part where the earth was filled with evil right? babies more than likely weren't killed. there's no mention of children and even bigger point the Bible directly said the world was filled with evil. not innocence.

12 months ago
makson
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If flooding all world including innocent babies isn't evil, I don't know what is.

12 months ago
neveralone
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he hasn't done anything evil.

12 months ago
makson
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he has done more evil than good

12 months ago
neveralone
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not doing something suddenly does something? you seem very interested in trying to get God to be evil when he has done so much good.

12 months ago
makson
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He didn't make a one choice become a choice and he made evil because he didn't do that.

12 months ago
neveralone
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he could but God doesn't do contradictions. he's got this world set up with reason and logic. what goes up must come down,ect.

12 months ago
makson
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Can God make one choice become a choice?

12 months ago
neveralone
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not really no. it teaches that we have all sinned and as such no one just gets in. Jesus is the only way.

12 months ago
makson
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wrong! Bible teaches that non-Christians should be executed.

12 months ago
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