The debate "The happiness is achived only by meeting the desire." was started by
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June 30, 2019, 10:06 pm.
23 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 21 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
John posted 8 arguments, Allirix posted 3 arguments to the agreers part.
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trent, Deat, Allirix, romeroa251, Communistguy and 18 visitors agree.
EmiMoro, anicasme, nikhil, Harshit, MADHURA, sk25, pankaj1407singh, YonkiMonoso, GotWood and 12 visitors disagree.
I think that, while happiness is seductive, we should rather strive for meaningfulness and contentedness.
hey I am trying to learn something, from my point of view, we are more energetic and focused when we are trying to get something, I think the one who is happy in trying, doesn't matter it works or not, only his efforts are making him happy so I guess he will soon discover the peace, problem with most of us is we are happy after getting something, so by the nature we will go for the next one and so on, desires does not have ends, so in such a way you are never happy, neglecting the small amount between two, yes if you are from the new generation where it is good to have stress and behavioural disorder then achieving something is the happiness.
A man went to the Buddha one day and told him, "I want happiness." The Buddha looked softly at the man and said, "First remove the 'I,' that is the ego. Then remove the 'want,' that is desire. All you have left is 'happiness.'"
That's not a real, canonical, story (I hate when people claim it is), but I definitely agree with the essence of it.
Could you elaborate on what you mean? You're not specific enough for me to know if I agree or disagree with you. Pleasure-seeking isn't our only motive? Yes that's a certainty. Things we want are both known and unknown to us? Yes that's also a certainty. Is that what you mean by "happiness is only one of the desires" and "desires are concious and subconscious"?
the desire to be happy is the most fundamental. So it's both conscious and unconscious. And There are many kind of desire. the desire to be happy is one of them.
Maybe you're trying to say "we can only feel happy after an achievement"? That includes the unintended consequences that make us happy too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but with that definition of desire your statement becomes "happiness comes from things that make you happy".
So your version of desire is just literally anything someone could want consciously or subconsciously? That is such a watered down definition that it makes the topic have no meaning. By that definition the topic is essentially, happiness is not having bad things happen to you since desire could be anything.
You think the desire is conscious. It's not true. I think there is unconscious desire. The desire to be happy is this.
You said people not having desire are still happy. Can you take example?
I said all people have the desire to be happy. If they don't have this desire, people can't be happy.
I didn't say they weren't related. The topic is "The happiness is achieved only by meeting the desire." But my points show that this is obviously not true. Lots of people get what they desire and it doesn't make them happy. Lots of people never get what they desire, but are still happy.
It depends on the person how to be happy and what the desire need. But, fundamental desire is same. If you think a person's desire is not related to happiness, he may have different way to be happy from you.
That isn't true either though. What about people who volunteer to join the army in times of war? They aren't doing it to be happy. People take actions all the time that won't make them happy. Some people go out of their way to punish themselves and intentionally make themselves miserable.
And lots of things make people happy that they didn't even realize they wanted. For example a guy gets a girl pregnant and is horrified. He didn't desire that. But then his child is born and it ultimately it makes him happy. He isn't happy because he got what he desired. He is happy because the thing he tried to prevent ultimately made him happy.
Getting what you desire might make you happy. But it might not. Many of the things in life that make us happy are not things that you knew you wanted. Many things in life you thought you wanted turn out to not be very fulfilling.
There is no one path to happiness. For some, they are happy when they do good things for others. Some are happy when they get power and status. Some are happy being left alone and others are happy in a crowd. You can't define a path to happiness.
I think all people want to be happy, so we can said that happiness is the thing all people want. So I think all people have desire to be happy. We can say happiness is achived only by meeting the desire in that point.
Happiness is in moderation of your desires and your work. Too much of anything is always bad.
True. Maybe it's more accurate to say happiness comes from a balance of short and long term desires then
Is there a desire to occur with proper consideration? And in that case, can not people be happy?
What if I desire heroine? If i give in to that desire it will make me happy temporarily, but long term it will destroy my life and make me miserable. A man might see an attractive woman and desire to cheat on his wife. But giving in to that desire is likely to make him less happy, not more happy.
Giving in to your desires in moderation and with good judgement will make people happier. But giving in to all desires will almost certainly ruin your life and/or kill you.
Forsaking desire means giving up with becoming happy, I think.
many, such as the buddha, find happiness in forsaking desire.
Yes. You feel satisfied when your expectations are met.