The debate "The ideology of Islam is detrimental to societies" was started by
February 15, 2017, 1:31 pm.
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haha, I always felt that should have been the case. you can't have a new testament without an old one.
In fact in the New Testament, Jesus and his followers CONTINUED to observe the Sabbath so i dont know why Christians think it has been abolished lol.
Yes, as why would God ban something and then unban it again (referring to Kosher). And yes, Christians must also observe the Sabbath, even Jesus himself observed the Sabbath until he 'died' (quotes because obviously some dont believe he died etc) and so did his closest followers. Its nice to see you are finally catchin on.
so Christians must keep kosher and are forbidden to work on the sabbath?
"Do not think that I came to do away with or undo the Law of Moses or the writings of the Prophets; I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. Till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:17-19) So no, God didnt negate the laws of the OT as the verses clearly show. These verses are consecutive and referring to the OT, so theres none of that AIDs false context shit that you atheists like to engage in. So no, the laws didnt evolve and they wont either. Not until the Earth is destroyed at least lmfao. Incase you didnt get the jyst, that means these laws are ETERNAL. It would be nice if you had at least a moderate knowledge in religion beforeyou proclaimed yourself worthy of engaging in such a debate. Unfortunately for you, this is a battle of intellect and you are unarmed.
God negated the laws of the old testament in the new, thus it can evolve.
whether God changes his mind, or it is our situation that changed and his vision for us must adapt.
in addition you are assuming that imperfect human languages, whether English, Greek, or Latin, would accurately capture the meaning of God's words, or that God talks in literal words instead of as most cultures from that area, in metaphors and implied meanings. interpretations can differ too.
your the one who keeps repeating that the laws of the old testament changed. they can change again. retard :)
la_mexicana, then youre a f***ing retard because the whole point of believing in a religion is that you believe that the holy scripture is the word of god and those are the perfect morals. Youre a complete moron if youre actually implying that SUBJECTIVE human morals would be superior to ones created by god or youre not a real christian. Probably the latter.
Christianity became less extreme after it was stripped of political power by progressives. it definitely was not voluntary.
the oppressive Muslim countries have many things in common, not just their religion. they are not free nations, a symptom that is not limited to islam. any religion or a non religion can have a dictator that abuses rights. there are several liberal Islamic countries that do not persecute minorities as well.
let's look at the Christian evolution. it took millenia, it wasn't voluntary, and only a few decades ago women couldn't work, couldn't vote, and speaking out of place was huge social stigma. just look at mad men. that's not ancient history.
Christian text didn't change. their genetics didnt "evolve", they are the same human beings. the situation is what change. even at the worst of their terrorism, their acts pale in comparison to the savagery of Christian societies of old. so why not let them evolve?
do you think they are made at you for no reason just because you disagree with them like the torture Christians brought on pagans who did not bother them? could it have something to do that every interaction they had with us was US INVADING THEM, from the crusades (ancient history, I know) to ww1 when we swooped in, redrew nations for our convenience, and installed dictators (very relevant history).
I don't condone their violence, but I absolutely approve of their right at being angry and suspicious. individually the terrorists should be hung. the women and gay abusers should be punished. but collectively, in the greater geopolitical story. we are the original bad guys who now want to act righteous while refusing to acknowledge our role in creating this conflict. and I don't mean america, I mean the whole west (but mostly France and england)
Religions need to modify with time. Law should be able to interpret with religion. Being a catholic myself, I think my religion is too outdated.
Anyway, why is Christianity involved in this? I said that it has become less extreme in Western countries, not that it was completely superior to Islam. Both have faults, but Christianity's faults don't disprove the original statement.
Learn your shit, dumbass.
The bible also supports beating for disloyalty. if your wife was f***ing another man what are you going to do, give her a cookie? disloyalty is punishable by death for both men and women alike in all abrahamic faiths, in fact.
homosexuality is punishable by death in judaism and christianity too.
Cars didnt exist in the time of Prophet Muhammad, genius. but women were allowed to ride camels, which were the equivalent of cars. so youre wrong as usual.
Female genitalia mutilation is wrong in oslam. it is an african cultural tradition, thays why christian countries like Ethiopia do it.
its funny how some comservatives are complete f***ing retards, which is why they just scream "sharia law" as a fear tactic. Sharia law is simply islamic law. Christianity also has Christian law but it doesnt have a name for it. Examples in the bible are that adulterers should be stoned. that is an example of christian law.
However, I would say that modern Christianity has evolved. Many modern Christians are less prejudiced (apart from homosexuality in some cases), whilst a large part of Islamic culture contradicts Western values such as freedom and diversity. Although some Muslims may choose not to follow particular prejudices, they are often found in countries dominated by Islam's ideology, such as Saudi Arabia.
Basically, countres like these would be better off without certain things from Islam, especially if they are created into national law.
it really isn't something original to the quran. submissive women, intolerance to deviantsexuality, deviant beliefs, ideas.
demonization of infidels, heretics, pagans, "witches"
this is not a symptom of islam, it is a symptom of all religious conservative autocracies. Christian included. there are many non religious dictatorship Muslim nations that were more moderate, more free to speak. Sharia law, in many free Islamic views is an internal social code, much like Christians forbid things that are not actually illegal by law. many of those nations don't even believe it should apply to non Muslims.
I mainly meant some of the things that it promotes in the Quran, and Sharia Law, which is mostly based on the Quran and exists in Islamic dominated societies. For example:
Criticism of Allah, Muhammad, or the Quran is punishable by death.
Female genital mutilation is encouraged.
A women cannot drive a car, or speak to a non-related man without supervision.
Homosexuality is punishable by death.
A man can marry a girl when she reaches the age of nine.
A man may beat his wife for disloyalty.
Many of these commands are based directly on the text which Islam is focused on. This, with other evidence in the Quran such as Muhammad demanding the death of infidels, shows that Islam is not a peaceful religion (although many of its followers can be peaceful people).
Obviously, these commands are oppressive and immoral, and, according to the Quran, what Muhammad promoted and therefore what Islam is about, which is why it is, overall, a bad thing to dominate a society.
which ideology specifically?