The porn industry is not responsible for porn addictions

December 26, 2015, 1:04 am

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The debate "The porn industry is not responsible for porn addictions" was started by Freyja on December 26, 2015, 1:04 am. 35 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 19 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

meme posted 1 argument, Sumerian posted 7 arguments to the agreers part.


linares34, Rakesh, Pictobug_1, thatguy, srbanano, FluffiestDrop45, Sumerian, Subjecate, truth_vs_true, sloanstar1000, historybuff, Phemelo, emma001, rob5998, Monster, jose4402, JakobBoghora and 18 visitors agree.
iiks, wmd, meme, jjrocks1738, swp16, Sebsworth, AngryBlogger and 12 visitors disagree.

Freyja
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lol okay :*

3 years, 5 months ago
Sumerian
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please! lets end this conversation. it's going off topic.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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I don't follow. Could you just put your entire point in one post next time?

3 years, 5 months ago
Sumerian
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inconsistencies in argument.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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So were my what?

3 years, 5 months ago
Sumerian
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Don't worry I admit that's why I gave detailed explanation of it.

3 years, 5 months ago
Sumerian
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so were yours.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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They weren't comparisons at all - just arguments parallel to the one you posed in your initial comment that were a bit more obviously faulty than yours.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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But they had nothing to do with the topic, they were examples of your logic that was used in your initial comment. They were simply meant to demonstrate inconsistencies in your argument.

3 years, 5 months ago
Sumerian
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I wanted to say that the examples you gave to compare with addiction, that is allergy and hallucinogen were not suitable.
Moreover, I was giving complete explanation that perhaps I haven't earlier following your doubt.
peace!

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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It seems like you just agreed with me...(???) From the vote I see that, yes, you did. But everything else is very perplexing. You seem to be misunderstood in that you may have taken those examples given as examples of my logic. They were examples of your logic, however. Maybe this was your mistake? Or am I the one who is misunderstood?

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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Note that I'm only fourteen and all of what I did understand was reeeaaaaaally confusing. .-. I don't follow.

3 years, 5 months ago
Sumerian
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from the example you have given, it seems you believe in disease theory of addiction and responsibility.
In previous generation people tend to believe that people are addicted because they are addicts. addiction was considered as a disease. so, people have a disease and coz of this disease they are addicted.


diabetes is a disease due to lack of insulin. so we have a proof it's a disease.
addiction is not due to any physical scarcity, lack of hormones or any chemical imbalance. so, it can't be considered as a disease.

in addicts it have been seen that they fix responsibility of happening in their life on other external factor.
example, people are addicted to porn coz' of porn industry.

It is a proven fact that no one can recover from their addiction until they take responsibility to themselves.
this is the very first step in providing rehabilitation. people who are addicted need to take responsibility on themselves.

there are two types of control in our life.
one is internal locus of control and other is external locus of control.
former means whatever happening with me only I am responsible for that.
later means whatever happening with me is coz' of luck, God's intention, society, them and those.

Blaming is never healthy thing to do but accepting is healthy. so to recover from addiction, person need to hold themselves accountable for whatever happening with them.

Finally, I will like to sum up with definition of responsibility.
responsibility means an individual is morally, legally and mentally accountable for something.
If porn industry was responsible for it, it is ought to be illegal in your country. Moreover they are not mentally accountable coz' porn is not a form of hypnosis.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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Indeed, I agree. This logic doesn't really seem to add up, though. Your argument - and by all means, correct me if I'm wrong - is this:

P1: some people are A
P2: some people are not A
C: therefore, those who are A are responsible for their being so

Ex: If the government put out a hallucinogen, by any means, and some people are immune and some are not, it is the fault of those who are immune for their being so.

Ex: There are some people who are allergic to gluten and some people who are not, therefore it is the fault of those who are allergic for their being so.

Ex: Some people are homosexual, some people are not, therefore it is the fault of those who are homosexual for being so.

I wonder if this would count as a non sequitur. It certainly seems that way to me.

3 years, 5 months ago

some people are addicted some are not. so people themselves are responsible for addiction not porn industry.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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Noted. Thank you.

3 years, 5 months ago

sorry I meant the porn producer is not responsible. the product is not inherently addictive or harmful.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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OH! "They" as in the consumer? Sorry, I'm not very conscious presently.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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I'm sorry. I understand what your point is but could you clarify who "they" are? I don't see who you are referring to in the last sentence.

3 years, 5 months ago

That argument only applies when the product does harm. Porn by itself doesn't cause harm. it only causes harm when someone gets addicted to it. alcohol and especially tobaco are harmful in much smaller doses even without being addicted to them. in this way they are not responsible.

3 years, 5 months ago
PsychDave
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The government has demonstrated that they believe companies are responsible for harm caused by their products when they held the tobacco industry accountable for the health effects of smoking. I don't know that I fully agree with it, but that does show that, at least to some extent, companies can be blamed for the negative effects of their products.

3 years, 5 months ago
Freyja
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But the companies are not responsible for how the consumer utilizes the product. This is in writing. Do you really think that by making a product legal and/or available, you are singlehandedly responsible for any harm that the consumer has brought upon THEMSELF when utilizing it? This is the fault of the consumer alone.

3 years, 5 months ago

You just showed us that there is a hudge problem which is caused by the opportunities which are given by the porn industries. Though there are warnigs I find that industries still are responsible for the harm. Even though the Sigarette and alcohol packages have warnings the isndustries still are paying the excise duties to help government with the treat of the injured. So I see the faulth in industries and I see how they still are responsible.

3 years, 5 months ago

Are there any holes in my argument that you can find - any faults?

3 years, 5 months ago

I am part of a now long-running debate about whether or not porn is just good fun. The opposing party is aware that we are arguing from a non-religious standpoint. The con is that pornography websites and distributors are harmful given there are people who are addicted to porn and are helplessly entrapped by said vice. My argument is that pornography websites and distributors are not responsible for the way the users are utilizing their content. My evidence is in section 4 of the terms of service of a porn website called PornHub (this is also a direct quote from the terms of service on RedTube, given they're run by the same people).

"You understand and acknowledge that when using the Website, you will be exposed to content from a variety of sources, and that the Website is not responsible for the accuracy, usefulness, safety, or intellectual property rights of or relating to such content." The keyword here is "safety."

You can also visit a website called XVIDEOS.com and the terms of service link will be at the bottom. In section 5, 'Warranty Disclaimer', the site states that they aren't responsible for any personal injuries. Does that count? I don't know if an addiction counts as an injury but I assume it could be used to hint at it.

Here is an article that supports my point:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/26/your-porn-addiction-isn-t-real.html

The article is about a study done that proves that, although pornography addiction may be an actual problem, it isn't actually a neurological condition and should not be treated as such. This only supports my point that pornography isn't all that harmful, and that pornography addiction is none of the distributor's fault, only that of the consumer.

Think of it from a different point of view. Say that, instead of pornography, and the addiction to it, we were talking about alcohol. Her argument would then be that vineyards and distillers are responsible for alcoholics. These companies, however, like porn websites, always say to "enjoy responsibly." This means to proceed with caution and utilize the product at your own risk. Alcohol consumption is legal so that we may enjoy it legally for entertainment, not so that we may overuse it and become addicted. Likewise with television. It is not there to waste your life away consuming, it is there for temporary entertaiment. You are well within your rights to overuse any of these products but the companies are not responsible for such behavior.

3 years, 5 months ago
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