The purpose of Life is to create Order out of Chaos

March 30, 2020, 3:33 am

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The debate "The purpose of Life is to create Order out of Chaos" was started by Nemiroff on March 30, 2020, 3:33 am. 28 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 32 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

Nemiroff posted 7 arguments to the agreers part.
diecinueve posted 3 arguments, Craven198787 posted 1 argument, PeaceSafe posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

Nemiroff, Dazed_Confused, Paula, Joelm, glenn54, J1, chhotelalgoswami, OmoNice46, Khairon, PeaceSafe and 18 visitors agree.
diecinueve, tisya_aaa, jrardin12, kapil, Craven198787, tyler0300, Rashia and 25 visitors disagree.

admin! is this your own fake purposes or your creater setting you to doing this?

maybe we can't remember that ,but if you not search for that 1st purpose then u will never get the true 1st reason why you here

as I am Muslim, we believe in Quran which is, told us that human already "take word" from God and the purpose for humankind and jins that Allah told us is too worship him.

but!

if your still busy in your own short term dreaming to make this world (peace) by all humans limited strength then it will keep be a dream... and it doesn't mean in Islam Allah did not told us to make this world peace! the easiest proof I can tell here is(Islam is Arabic world mean you submit/surrender) and we greeting with salam (salam mean peace be upon you)

3 weeks, 6 days ago
Nemiroff
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the title is limited in characters, but i explained my argument in my first post, and elaborated in my second.

1 month, 3 weeks ago

I'm not sure that life has purpose you just asserted that it does as if it has an ultimate goal what do you mean by that and how could you possibly knkw that

1 month, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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if some purposes created order, it may be a side effect. but if all life's purposes create order, it may be a fundamental feature.

2 months ago
Allirix
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To me "purpose" is just one of those things that loses meaning the further you dig.

To atheists the "purpose of life" must come from the universe, if it exists. But the universe is unconscious so how can it give something purpose? It would need goals but it's not even able to care so how can it have goals? It just acts unconsciously. So any goal we prescribe will just be a projection of our own goals.

The purpose of life at a universal level only makes sense with a theistic world view because the universe is conscious, it does care, and it does have a goal. With a goal we do have a purpose greater than us: to play our part in that goal.

But then you can dig a little further into the theistic view and you lose the meaning of purpose again. Why does God have that goal? What is his purpose? etc etc.

So it makes sense for an atheist to think about at a slight modification of your first point. Not just the purpose we give ourselves, but the common threads that unites every purpose every human gives themselves.

I think @Nemiroff has found one of those threads. Our goals are constructive. We solve problems. We are driven to create, not destroy. Or put elegantly... we make order out of chaos.

2 months ago
diecinueve
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purpose is the goal for which something exists. That of life can be interpreted in two ways.
1.- The objective of each person for which he decides to continue living.
2 - The objective for which life was created.
In the case of the first, everyone can have the purpose what they want, if that purpose increases the order does not mean that it is the objective, it is only a side effect.
In the case of the second, life was created by chance, so it has no purpose for which it was created, unless we have been created by an intelligent being. In that case the purpose of life would be the goal for which he created us, although an intelligent being would also be considered life, so there is going to come a point where life was created by chance, therefore, life is not has purpose in this regard

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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to elaborate on my first sentence. an individual can find a variety of pruposes, from supporting society, to undermining it. finding any purpose brings order and consistency to ones life. even a destructive purpose requires planning and execution. it focuses the person. having a singular purpose is orderly in comparison to purposeless wandering, even if the purpose is perceived to be chaos.

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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a purpose chosen by an individual is not the purpose of life. conflating the two confuses the topic.

we all are born into confusion, trying to find who we are and what we should do in this world. finding our place in the chaos is bringing order to our lives, because confusion is chaos (mentally). this is not a default consequence, but an active quest we must all undertake.

furthermore, moving beyond the individual, my answer holds true as civilization also tends towards increasing order and complexity.

and on a more fundamental level, all life seeks to perserve their order to ward off the chaos (decay) that leads to death.

searching for order is the purpose of life on all levels; whether individual life form, collective civilizations, or a personal purpose for a thinking creature.

2 months ago
diecinueve
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then it is a consequence of life, not its purpose

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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and that purpose tends towards increasing order.

2 months ago

each one gives the purpose he wants to his life

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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and lets not take my usage of order to imply some sort of police state proposition. our global economy tends towards increasing order and uniformity, yet has nothing to do with police or oppression. even with oppressive sweat shops the global market is increasingly against them. ever towards more order and uniform standards. i mean order in a systemic civilization way, not a martial law way.

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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if we look at life simpler then humans, the one and only motivation is survival and reproduction. all requiring the constant maintenance of their inner order.

humans have that obvious quest for inner order as well, but we must also traverse life. the individual search for purpose is a search for order in the chaos. the seemingly inevitable progress of our collective civilization appears to be a ceaseless march towards increasing order. life cannot function in chaos, chaos is even difficult to understand. is blowing up a building chaos, despite the meticulous (orderly) planning and execution? chaos is not life, order is life. and life must maintain order for it to continue being life. the same can be said psychologically for higher forms of life.

2 months ago

I'm not sure if I agree it's life's purpose. It's definitely one of the things life does.

But maybe it's only life that can stop the heat death of the universe? So maybe it is our purpose

2 months ago
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