The reason repeat offenders exist is the punishment is not severe enough

May 24, 2015, 5:38 pm

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The debate "The reason repeat offenders exist is the punishment is not severe enough" was started by jonatron5 on May 24, 2015, 5:38 pm. 10 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 10 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. There is a tie in this debate, post your arguments, call some reinforcements and break this tie.

jonatron5 posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
soullesschicken posted 4 arguments, Sosocratese posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

jonatron5, Damn3d, toughgamerjerry, sdiop and 6 visitors agree.
soullesschicken, PsychDave, Sosocratese, tr, fabian3546, jedty, DanielleR123 and 3 visitors disagree.

True, we don't reform the prisoners. we need a better system to rehabilitate criminals.

4 years, 5 months ago

While I agree that corporeal punishment has a place in society (the defense of flogging at the festival for dangerous ideas convinced me of that), I don't believe that severity if punishment is responsible for the high re-offender rate however.

There are several reasons why I hold this belief. First of all I'll use an argument from the defense of flogging. It's a thought experiment basically.
Would you choose to spend 5 years in jail, give up your job, leave your family, etc... or would you take a flogging as an alternative punishment? If you said you'd take the flogging over the prison term, it tells you something about the harshness of prison. So I would argue that prison is the harsher of the punishments for most.

Furthermore, I would argue that we don't reform our prisoners and that having been in prison makes it much less likely for the person to get a well paying job afterwards. This increases the likelihood that the person will return to illicit activities in order to pay for certain things, be they luxury items or necessities.

I think the major flaw in your position is that you ignore the factors that come into play after prison rather than the punishment itself. If anything, prison itself creates the necessity to return to a life of crime. A person who has been in jail for 10 years has also been out of the job market for 10 years, so even if he has a trade to try and earn money, how likely is it that an employer will hire him? Even if the criminal record isn't an issue, the fact that he has been out of that particular industry for so long means he has a huge knowledge gap.

4 years, 5 months ago

The prison system just needs to be fixed, or we need another way to rehabilitate criminals.

4 years, 5 months ago

I'm pretty sure that's torture, and torture is illegal. We rehabilitate people so that they actively don't want to commit crimes. As opposed to they do, but are motivated not to by fear. That increases the chance they'd want to commit a crime if they knew they wouldn't be caught.

4 years, 5 months ago

@soullesschicken

you try 25 lashes at the post and I seriously seriously seriously doubt you will commit grand theft auto again

4 years, 5 months ago

Or because the prison system turns them worse. It is very brutal and you have to tread very carefully. You have to show you are tough to avoid being beaten, raped, excluded. many prisoners live in constant fear. It turns them into animals.

4 years, 5 months ago
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