The debate "The spectacle of a public execution serves to remind the masses of the results of crime." was started by
May 24, 2015, 5:43 pm.
7 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 10 people are on the disagree side.
People are starting to choose their side.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
jonatron5 posted 1 argument, Damn3d posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
soullesschicken posted 3 arguments, toughgamerjerry posted 2 arguments, Damn3d posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
jonatron5, WordSpeller, Damn3d, GetRekt and 3 visitors agree.
soullesschicken, toughgamerjerry, PsychDave, Sosocratese, sdiop, jedty and 4 visitors disagree.
Okay seeing what Jonatron5 said I think that we should ignore his posts about this topic. He said that he usually doesn't reply to his own arguments. So he is just trying to stir up the same darn argument time after time after time and just sits back and let's the people work it out. If you put up an argument like this then you need to always be at least a little active to let people know why you do or do not agree with it. Not just start an argument for the heck of it. especially if it is the same argument that people have already responded to before.
Also, why are you so bent on public execution? This isn't the first time you've posted questions about the topic.
Maybe in Russia, this would work, because of the political culture. But I assume you are taking about America.
I have two objections with public execution. The act can instil two things in the minds of the populace.
The first is bloodlust. Picture Tsarniev's execution in Boston. You would have a certain amount of people filled with hatred, screaming and yelling for his crimes, and cheering on his death. If we call ourselves a civil society, then that would be unacceptable. It could easily be twisted into a barbaric nationalism which cannot promote freedom as long as it exists. Do we really need mobs of irrational, emotionally driven citizens cheering the death of another person?
The second is fear. This is what you hinted might happen. People will be struck with a sense of fear, and most excessively so. Keeping the population in fear so they obey every law is a common tactic used in totalitarian regimes. Is that not how the Soviets ruled? The Fascists? In a country that prides itself on freedom, fear tactics are unacceptable because they contradict freedom itself. Fear is oppression. All citizens should live with respect for the law, and therefore there should be punishments for all crimes to deter perpetrators. But that doesn't call for public execution at all.
You still failed to see my point, its barbaric. It makes us no better than ISIS. And crucifixion is in my opinion worse than beheading.
I usually don't respond but since you asked me to I will.
in the modern world wrongful execution really really really does not exist. you hear storys of people getting a quitted from death row after 30 years. Doesn't mean there innocent it means some tiny sliver of fact blown out of proportion got 6/12 people to agree that it warrents debate.
as for the others. it would be just as impossible to break someone free. just as it would be to break someone out of jail today. as for the message it sends to the people. it isn't that the big evil state is randomly killing people and can kill you too. it should be done as "the citizens of the state of (X) find you guilty and condemn you to death by hanging. for the crime of murdering your children in broad daylight. . may this execution show everyone what we do to those who we find guilty of murdering there children."
all govermental power is and should be seen as coming from the people. not as coming from itself.
So your trying to rule the people by fear? Well why don't we just get rid of the president and instead have a king who will rule by force and kill anyone who gets in his way? Then we can force all the males once they get to the age of 18 to join the military. And have women get pregnant by strong men like the Spartans did. Did I miss anything?
It also puts fear into masses, You want an uprising? Execution should be done privately. Firstly, it's is telling the public: "you mess with us and we'll kill you, right in front of everyone you know. Friends, family, coworkers and the media. We may as well kill you in your own house."
Its barbaric and unnecessary. It reminds me of ISIS. I saw you also made a debate on crucifying felonies. The people could be innocent in the first place, and they should be crucified publicly?
secondly, even if the people are guilty it allows people to save them before the execution. Bust them out. Please refute.