The debate "The story of Jesus is a myth" was started by
June 11, 2017, 1:40 pm.
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Let's look at a very recent example of a person becoming a myth. Could you offer proof of what John Henry did and did not do?
Considering it is thousands of years more recent than Jesus, you should have absolutely no problem giving the details of his life. At least you should be able to be sure where he worked of the railroad.
there are no records of Jesus from right after his death.
think of it like this. there is a very charismatic cult leader. he convinces lots of people about how great his cult is. he suddenly dies and his cult members go out to convince others how great this cult is. no one knows what the original cult leader said because none of it was recorded. the people who wrote about did it decades later and they heard about it 3rd hand. by the point it is written down it is just a story.
why would it matter about there faith? I don't think people? would argue and go to war over a guy they never heard of or saw in their own time or be willing to be put to death over it. I'm talking about right after Jesus's death and resurrection.
it is likely that a man named Jesus of Nazareth existed. but even that much no one can say with certainty. nothing about his life is supported by evidence. there is no evidence he performed miracles. there is nothing about him at all that isn't written by Christians, usually long after his death who certainly never met him and probably never met anyone who had met him. and when writing about a man you never met that you believe to be the son of a deity, accurately depicting the story is impossible.
didn't u say it was likely that a man name Jesus came from Nazareth?
that's like asking us to follow the life of Hercules to prove he wasn't the son of Zeus. the only sources that exist are the mythological stories that say he is. so how would you prove that?
why would u not be able to show that Jesus do as such? all u would have to do is follow his life and show he never did miracles ect.. btw welcome back historybuff.
you seem to be missing the point. you can't prove a mythical character didn't do something. you asking us to prove Jesus wasn't the son of God is like asking us to prove Hercules wasn't the son of Zeus. since neither existed it is impossible to prove. it is just a story.
while there probably was a person named Jesus of Nazareth, since the stories about him are myths it is impossible to prove they didn't happen. the lack of evidence is in and of itself the proof that the story is a myth.
I'm not being ignorant u seem to not being able to understand. think on how u would disprove Jesus was the son of God. simple. show he never did any miracles. that he was just a man. this isn't about the whole Bible. only of Jesus's life. its a simple process to prove or disprove the events of Jesus.
You're ignorant. Since you know GREEK MYTHology is full of MYTHS, how did you conclude that? Could you prove it wrong? Then use the same method to your Jesus.
they can't be certianly but this can be proven false. all u have to do is prove he didn't do the things he did. since if u do prove he didn't then it's not a myth and since he did u would help strengthen the events.
Are you kidding me? MYTH IS NEVER PROVEN WRONG. Greek MYTHology is not proven wrong!!!!!!!! But you accept is as myth
this can easily be proven wrong. u simply have to show he didn't do the things he was said to do. since u can do that unless they are true then this isn't a myth.
No, I wouldn't because the myth is never proven wrong
then u would have to show he never did miracles. that he never healed anyone or anything else he is said to have done
"The story about Jesus"... Not "The existence of Jesus"...
I'm not talking about supernatural deeds. I'm talking about the person Jesus.
You're going circular. The proof is because it fits the definition. If you think the Bhuddist book (Tripitaka) isn't true, you think 10 people went crazy, or any other religious book with more writes (there's many, many of them).
and there is no proof it's a lie. though I can say those that wrote in the Bible beleive every word they wrote. so unless 12 guys suddenly went crazy and many others then Jesus was more than likely alive. to put a statement it's best to be able to back it up. u can't in this so...
You have no proof it is true, like you have no proof Zeus is true.
a myth pertains that it's false.
except u going around saying Zeus is God will get u laughed at. Zeus had sex with everything, the gods meddled as much as possible...what happened? did they vanish?
Myth is an unproven traditional story, explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
1) It's unproven
2) It's traditional
3) It's social phenomenon
4) It's involving supernatural beings.
Is this enough evidence?
When I ask for proof, theists say "prove he doesn't exist"
You have it backwards. If it is a myth, evidence will not exist. If it is not a myth, it should.
The one making the claim holds the burden of proof. Claiming that the story of Jesus is a myth is claiming that it is not factual. The proof would be the lack of evidence and the conflicting accounts. The lack of historical records of his existence outside of his mythos is evidence.
Do you believe Zeus is God, or do you believe he is a myth. Could you prove he is not real if someone demanded it? There are just as many, if not more accounts of Zeus' actions and miracles. He is mentioned in more records from various areas. Based purely on literature as evidence, Zeus has a stronger case.
if u don't have evidence it is then u don't have a right to say it is a myth.
that isn't the topic. the topic is it's a myth I simply asked for proof.
Prove it isn't
If you don't have an evidence, you don't have a right to say it isn't myth.
That isn't all that different from Paul Bunyan or John Henry. Both are mythical and both are told as a narrative.
The Bible wasn't written in a mythological style. In fact, the new testament was written in the style of Historical Narrative. It was written as a report of what happened in that time.