The debate "The transgender community should use the restroom of their choice" was started by
May 27, 2016, 9:01 pm.
33 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 37 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
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Shemales need to go to the mans restroom. Hefemale need to go to the womans restroom. You should expect her having a dick since shes on the man toilet. You should expect him have a pussy since he is on the women toilet. And eventuelly, we men might even get to suck the dick on the girl wich is a good thing.
there should be a 3rd unisex option free for anyone to use.
forcing every business and establishment to build all new or rebuild bathrooms will be a big burden on businesses.
I agreed and mentioned in my previous post that new construction should include unisex private stall bathrooms, but that will take a long time to become a regular occurrence so we still need a short term solution.
and considering any form of ban or restriction is completely unenforceable, I don't see how you can do anything but prosecute afterwards if something does happen (the same as every
i think transgenders must be provided with a separate restroom.
But i dont male the choice. Im a male with the proper genitalia so i go to the mens
Thats rather ironic to call be a bigot.
I don't think bigots should have a free choice. It's people like you that cause the hatred in this world.
I never suggested enforcement by police at every toilet, I suggested a middle ground, such as a transgender or unisex bathroom. I understand the need for trans acceptance, but I am aware that our country is not composed of perfect people, and some people would take advantage of the situation, which I have proved has already happened. This shows that the current situation is NOT working. That does not mean we are accusing trans people of a crime they didn't commit, it means we are ensuring the safety of others.
Im saying that transgender individuals shouldn't have a free choice.
I get what your saying, but are you suggesting prosecuting people before the crime? how would you even enforce that, place police at every toilet in the US?
what you claim is ridiculous is what we are currently doing, and it's working just fine. so I don't see any validity to that argument.
So you are affirming that there is no way to tell the difference. And prosecute after an assault? What good is it to foster rape and as an afterthought say, "hey at least we can try this guy!" At that point the rape has happened and nothing addresses the problem. Anybody willing to rape will rape regardless of trial since they make a conscious decision to break the law. Making that path easier will make it more common.
you don't check people before they are coming into the bathroom... do we have guards outside every toilet currently?
if an assault happens, you investigate and prosecute.
and if they are pre op, then they are being punished not by society but by God and their own bodies. the question would be is it a medical necessity and should insurance cover it.
I also don't see the issue with a gradual shift to unisex toilets with very private personal stalls and urinal areas.
Alright, but not every trans gender person can afford the operations that would officially make then transgender, but instead only choose to dress as the gender the wish to be. So we can't only identify them based on "the package they're carrying". Also, seeing a person on the street, are you able to identify whether they are a criminal or a pervert just based on their looks? Can you understand their background just by glancing at them? Of course not. So how can you tell whether someone is legitimately trans gender or a pervert? If everyone could tell the difference between a rapist and a genuinely nice person, rape wouldn't be an issue.
but as I said, there is a clear distinction between a perverted hetero and a trans. how about we draw the line at pre/post op.
not what you were born with, but what you are currently packing.
I think it's quite obvious when someone is a transgender, and when their a dirty hetero pervert.
has there been a single case of a straight man posing as trans to access the woman's bathroom?
Yes. I wasn't quite sure how to phrase my statement, so I apologize for the confusion. While I do understand that many men would feel more comfortable using the women's bathroom, I also know there are bad people in the world who would take advantage of a ruling stating trans people can use the gender identified restroom of their choice. I remember how mad Caitlyn Jenner was when she had to poop in the men's room though, so I think a middle ground has to be established. I have to disagree with my own statement.
I'm guessing you mean that they can choose to use either the Men's toilet or Women's toilet?