The debate "The US should go and wipe out all factions of terrorism and really make this a real war on terrorism" was started by
June 12, 2016, 5:02 pm.
16 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 10 people are on the disagree side.
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dalton7532 posted 6 arguments, DemonLlama posted 5 arguments to the agreers part.
DemonLlama, SwaggerPoptart, dalton7532, sabrina, Bodaciouslady16, fadi, moneybagboyz and 9 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, historybuff, cmt11, citizenzero and 6 visitors disagree.
The fact that america ran away is in no way an insult to the soldiers who fought. They didn't choose the war. They didn't choose to run away. They were forced into propping up a corrupt regime and murdering millions of people. Vietnam was a terrible, terrible idea. And you want to do exactly the same thing.
Terrorism is not like a normal war. It doesn't have an army you can attack. ISIS does have that today. But if you invaded you would break that in a day. And then you would end up in the Vietnam scenario. The ISIS fighters aren't gone. They just aren't wearing uniforms. Then you have a full blown insurgency. You cannot fight terrorism with an invasion. If you invaded you would create 2 more terrorists for every one you killed.
And quite frankly the end of that last one just sounds like you want to rule the world with fear. That attitude isn't helping either. People don't like it when you mess with their business, something america does a lot. That is a big part of the problem.
Should we have gone to Vietnam maybe not but to degrade those who served and died by saying we ran away with our tails between our legs. The only reason we went there was to stop communists from spreading. With ISIS they are coming here and killing our American brothers and sisters. We as Americans need to worry less about who likes us and who don't and get back to the world knowing not to mess with us. DON'T MESS WITH AMERICA!!!!!!
and the reason they have better relations now is because you left and never came back. you stopped invading countries in South East Asia. if you want to improve relations with the Muslim world, stop invading Muslim countries. it is pretty simple.
let's go over the chain of events.
1. the us occupies south Vietnam to prop up a corrupt and hated regime
2. America spends years bombing Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos flat trying to stop the communists.
3. America realizes they can't win and pull all their troops out of Vietnam.
4. south Vietnam gets over run by the communists in a complete military victory.
America retreated and left their ARVN allies to die. the north won a complete victory by forcing the strongest country on the planet to run away. the north completed all their goals. America did not.
in short, you butchered millions of people to slow down the Communist take over of Vietnam. but no matter how much fire power you brought to bear, and you brought all you had. you still couldn't beat them. in the end they got exactly what they wanted. and you went home.
We destroyed Vietnam, we didnt have our legs tucked between our legs.
But Vietnam now has closer relations to us by far than before the war.
just like the Vietnam war right? you unleashed everything you had, you killed millions of people and lost 50,000 of your own people. you lost. you accomplished nothing but ruining millions of lives. the communists still won while you ran away with your tail between your legs.
this is exactly what you are proposing to do again. Wade into a region that doesn't want you there, to kill lots of people in the hopes that it makes them want to kill you less. it will only make them want to kill you even more and spawn even more terrorist attacks. how can you not see that?
Don't demonize him for who he supports, show him facts and prove him wrong.
He liked Bernie.
You are probly an Obama supporter.
They hate us no matter what and until we start acting like Americans and show that these actions will not be tolerated. To hell with how we make the feel to many lives have been lost and that should should be all the reason we need to fight this more like we would have twenty or thirty years ago. Instead of all this namby pamby BS that we have become.
I agree Dalton. that comment was directed at the debate topic. invading foreign countries to attack terrorist groups is like setting fire to the roof because the basement is on fire. you aren't really helping the situation. you're only making it worse.
You miss me historybuff?
I just said the lack of stability and a strong government is one of the root problems that causes these terror groups. The other reason, you may not want to hear me say it.
you need to understand that terrorism is a symptom of bigger problems. if you don't address the root problems then you can never get rid of the symptom.
invading foreign countries and killing people only feeds the cycle of violence. for every terrorist you kill you create 2 more. they are all someone's son, brother, cousin, friend. invading only makes them stronger because they can prove to more people that you are the enemy and that they can never live in peace with you. your idea will only make the problem worse.
I agree. We need to murder ISIS soundly and painfully.
But while we wait more people will die.
Terrorism will be ever present without stable governments. We need to have a plan to stabilize the region before we go in or else this will keep on happening.