The debate "The USA is the greatest country on the planet" was started by
May 5, 2016, 9:09 pm.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
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the debate is that a country is the greatest, not a race. therefore it cannot by definition be racist.
if he said white people or Chinese people etc are the greatest then that would be racist.
also which argument was racist?
well that is just categorically false. America is certainly not the greatest country of all time. the Roman republic / empire accomplished far more than America has. the Mongols had a much larger empire and a much more successful military. there are more examples but I'll leave it there. it is too soon to say if America will be greater than them, but so far you aren't.
-That is so stupid, he should not reword. America is the greatest country of all time. No country has done more for the world than America or for its people. Any things to refute?
I love America, but something cannot be factually "the best". Also, this argument is, by definition, racist. I know you aren't trying to be, but just reword next time.
the bottom line for me is that Russia had the manpower to keep that up for a long time and the Germans were not prepared to fight in winter. so unless they can take over the entire country in under a year they are still going to have to fight through the Winter.
the critical flaw with blitzkrieg is that if you don't knock your enemy out with your first couple blows, then you've failed. the Germans did very well when they were blitzing armies. but once they got bogged down into a blow for blow fight they weren't any tougher than anyone else. and less tough than the Russians. those guys were nuts.
I'm not sure how long Britain could have held out. I heard that had Hitler continued bombing their airforce he would have defeated it rather quickly. instead he started bombing cities after Britain bombed berlin. another mistake from Hitler's military genius. however you do make some good points. I still think that even if Russia had a few more months the advantage of a single front is massive.
Russia won mostly because of winter. if he didn't have a second front there would be no opening from Britain for the US to attack, he could have retreated out of Siberia and held the front in warmer conditions until winter passed, then invaded again.
Russia didn't have to do much to Italy because they were a joke. they got their a** kicked by everyone except for Ethiopia. without the Germans they were hopeless.
Russia was already winning the war by the time D day happened. they were taking on the vast majority of the German army and winning. with or without D day the Germans were finished. you kicked a mortally wounded enemy in the back. helpful, sure. but the the fight was already decided.
checkout operation bagration. you will see why you were little more than a distraction. it involved 10 times the number of troops and destroyed army group centre. Germany lost half a million men. that was the moment the Germans lost the war.
I'm not sure how much I believe that nemiroff. if hitler had waited he might have had a better chance, but Russia's 5 year plans were rapidly increasing industrial capacity. it also isn't clear how quickly he could have beaten Britain. operation sea lion had some big problems. getting past the royal navy isn't so easy. the longer Britain held out the stronger the Russians were likely to get. but that isn't really what this debate is about.
Germany was the main threat of the war. Japan was nothing without its navy and if the British Navy had been free to respond they would have beaten Japan. japan did not have the ability or the desire to conquer the world. they wanted east Asia.
Russia started pushing Germany back before D day.
D day was so important because it was meant to make sure Europe doesn't become part of the Soviet union, Germany was already losing at that point.
neither the US nor Russia was responsible for the defeat of Germany. Hitler defeated himself by opening the second front against Russia. Had Germany waited for Britain's defeat before looking East, we may all be speaking German today.
Buff, more then just Germany was in the war stop ignoring japan, Russia didn't really do much to them. It's a WORLD war, you must include in the WORLD. Russia didn't do much to Italy either, all Russia really did is hold their border until D Day for the germans to move their forces away.
Claystation you can't really say we have too many domestic issues. it's just relative to what the country has. For example what we find an issue it's not even a thought in different countries. It's easy to say oh america doesn't have this because we have a lot people take for granted.
and actually according to research Myanmar has the most generous people.
you didn't win the world wars. you joined WW 1 at the end. you ended it faster but it was already going to be won. you didn't win ww2 the Russians beat the vast majority of the German army. Russia won the war.
you are definitely at or near the top of the field in technology. but Japan, Korea, India, Germany are all up there with you. saying which one is the most advanced is highly speculative.
-We are the greatest nation in the world. Who else could possibly be better. We stopped the WWs. We lead the world in science, technology, medicine, and we lead economically. We are the most generous nation, yet other nations give so little to the US. What an ignorant statement.
I love America, but it is not the greatest, by far. There are too many domestic issues and we are way too deep in the War on Terror.
It is very easy to say Canada is not though.
the problem with this debate is that what constitutes the greatest country is a very subjective topic. some people see greatness as the most peaceful, or the most charitable or the largest or the most militant or pretty much anything you can imagine. to an American, the deaths of Guatamalans likely seems like a small thing. but to Guatamalans it might make you the worst country on earth.
so it is very difficult to say who the "greatest" is.
If someone disagrees that US is the greatest, then it can't be because of how the US has f***ed up, but because the overall score is lower to another country. In terms of world contribution, strength, political sway, and unifying power the United States has the most say I believe, and is the greatest. Bringing up territories? Every country has trampled on lines and lands, generations and civilizations. Slavery? True slavery didn't last a generation in the US, despite how racism has played out. Though, racism is guaranteed on the out as a whole and opinions alone wont be the overall say in it. There are plenty of places where racism and slavery exist today, and controlling voiced opinions to suppress appearances, nevertheless appearance is not racism. War? The US had more power to use but in the end it wouldn't be the percentage of what could be given because even shit tier countries with a good heart are still without power, and therefore do not act. With the means to act, too much makes us tyrants, and too little makes us ungrateful to the world and inconsiderate. If our raw power is more than, it is because we could, the long and short of it. Kindness or generosity in terms of percentages or "tithe giving" is a different image that no country could be given, with a "at least their trying spirit is better".
And America has the ability to admit mistakes and move on! We can even be too rough on ourselves, apologizing when we should be acting.
In terms of American campaigns, the larger losses can be attributed to budget cuts, lack of intelligence, and mistakes with foreign politics. We pull our money, protest at home, Bam, no good at the Vietnam war. WMDs? Chemical, illegal stuff, but lacking nuclear power. Training foreign soldiers abroad to reclaim land for foreigners? Al Quada.
Finally, ever notice the really shitty gritty declassified information about attacking our own citizens or spying? All declassified stuff foreign countries won't admit to, but we know they do it anyway? We have a good track record of not following through on those proposed ideas, and let the people know that someone considered them.
USA is pretty good at letting people know what they stand for, and that works out well for them in the end. Right now the country is a bit divided, but united again is when we'll get the most blame but take the most action, which has been the best of shit options.
Everybody loves their google. :D
Patten may or may not have been able to beat the Russians to Berlin. but since the Russians were the ones who beat the huge majority of the German army it wouldn't really change the fact that it was the Russians that beat Germany, not you.
from the two sites I read I saw 10 times and 9 times. If you did your history as well you'd know that Patten was told to wait at the Rhine for the USSR to take Berlin. You'd also know that even though the Canadians declared war earlier then the US their support was almost the exact same as the US support (Primarily aid to countries) the difference being is that Canada sent personnel. You'd also know that Canada did almost nothing in the Pacific theater because they fought in Italy and Western Europe Primarily. There first engagement wasn't even until 1941 the same year the US joined the war.
-We do not spend money uselessly on the military. Our military is used to defend against Russia, North Korea, and ISIS. It would be foolish to defund our military.
-Trump is not riding on the same ideology as Hitler. Anyone who thinks that is an idiot. Hitler was a socialist. Trump despises socialism. If your name is historybuff, you need to learn history.
-In Iraq, we rode alot of terrorist and bad people out of Iraq. We helped alot of civilizians also. I do not think we should of went into Iraq however.
-We lead the world in technological developement, medicine, and we lead the free world. We are the most generous country one the Earth. We are so generous, yet countries do so little for us and give little respect. To say we are not the greatest country on the Earth is pure stupidity.
no you didn't. you lost about 9 times as many people and had over 10 times the population. you also didn't finish the war. Russia did. They got to berlin and forced the german surrender. Russia was also fighting the large majority of the german army. By the time the allies invaded france in june 1944 there were 150 german divisions on the eastern front compared to 66 on the western front. That meant that the allies combined fought less than 1/3 of the german army. Considering the americans were about half of the allied troops that means you fought less than 1/6 of the german army. The German army lost about 80% of its casualties on the eastern front. America may have been on the winning side, but the USSR won the war.
Funny you mention that, because america was in a depression. So we would be considered the poor. We also lost 11 times more people then Canada. We also finished the war.
he was talking about what I said.
I didn't say anything about percentages??
if a poor man gives everything he owns to charity and it is $10,000. a billionaire gives $20,000 but it is nothing to him. he can make that much in a day. which is giving more? in straight money the billionaire is paying more, but is nothing to him. the poor man is giving everything. it isn't about the amount given. it is about the amount you can afford to give.
So by that logic you think 1 is greater then 9
it means we paid a higher price. we sent as many people as we could. we sacrificed more than you did. and we did it within days of the war starting you waited years to join. and you only joined because you got attacked. you joined to protect yourself, you didn't do it protect others. we did it to protect the people of Europe.
You do realize Daniele that if the US has 100 people and and 9 die we lost 9%. while if Canada has 10 people and 1 dies that's 10%. So what is your point about percentages again?
trump is the worst candidate in recent history. he is running on basically the same ideas as Hitler did when he was riding to power.
i apologize on behalf of every non americans to what we did everwhere else. america was taken to such a position by some of the worse presidents in her history. it was great but now its not. vote me i will make it great again. these days iam pretty busy due to elections so i cant debate regularly. so feel free to ask me anything.
no such thing as a typical American
"Truth be told, our system is considered f***ed because there are so many different ways we can lobby or facilitate change. Most popular being parties and money, which were unavoidable and now are expected."
the issue I have with that is that "we" do not have many ways to lobby or facilitate change because of money in politics. money speaks loud and our single vote becomes silenced in comparison. that was not something unavoidable, we just let our guard down, but it was a concern voiced by the founding fathers as well.
money was never intended to be part of the system, can be removed, and should be removed as soon as possible.
this is such a typical American thing to say
you realize that that makes no sense right? Canada lost a higher percentage of our population in both WW1 and in WW2 than you did. we risked more, we paid more. just because you maintain a big Army doesn't make you the good guy if you use it to kill women and children and topple governments. you cause chaos and death all over the world because it serves your interests. you toppled a democratically elected government in Guatamala so that a fruit company could keep abusing their people for profit. they went through decades of civil war and military tyranny because of American corporate greed.
so you have done good things, that is true. but you have done horrible, brutal and evil things as well.
Truth is, if your country wasn't backed by the US buff people would target you, countries would target you. Speak softly and carry a big stick. remember that? Well the US carries a bigger sick now and talks more. we have more aircraft carriers then then the 3 countries below us combined. No one cares that China has a million man army because combined so does the US. We are the premier fighting force and every country needs a strong fighting force behind them. That is what separates us from other countries the men and women who VOLUNTEER to risk everything. Those men and women are the greatest men and women in the world. You can't say that, because your country didn't risk that.
When people are in need they ONLY call upon the US.
your foreign policy since WW 2 has been all about you. you destroy anyone who even might be an enemy. even your charity comes with being under your thumb. America doesn't give anything without expecting something in return.
America didn't join WW1 until they were directly threatened. they didn't join ww 2 until they were directly attacked. Canada was in both of those wars years before you were. think again if you believe America has stood up for other countries more.
I won't deny that America has done good in the world. but they are responsible for millions upon millions of innocent deaths. Guatamala, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq. the list of countries you have blown up is a long one. you aren't the shining beacon of freedom that you seem to think you are.
While your country was to scared to risk lives for other people we already made that commitment.
But we support other countries with that military expense. We have more humanitarian aid compared to any other country. We aren't just helping just the American people but the people of other countries too.
Other countries put themselves first, but give thanks to America to for their aid. While the UK, Canada, Germany, and France ignored the aid initially to turkey and Syria the US was there day one. Sorry your country only cares about your people but america has put other countries ahead of themselves. .
Look at every major war. Your country at by and didn't finish what was started you need us.
your country is owned and controlled by an oligarchy. that is a very big flaw. you have rampant violence, you constantly interfere in other countries causing death and mayhem. you spend more on your military than the next 10 top spenders in the world instead of taking care of your own people. that's just a start.
That's actually why George Washington left after two years, but if all you have to argue is political system, that seems like we are doing very well.
that's my point. third parties are a joke. they cant win. you have a 2 party system. both controlled by an oligarchy.
Third party exists in America, but third parties are considered very niche and so get little support. On the other hand, larger parties are inclusive. Third party is often too direct with specific issues in mind (we want this, and we want it now)... If a third party president is ever elected, now would be a pretty good time to try.
I didn't say your system is the most flawed in the world. there are worse systems. but your democracy has turned into an oligarchy. billionaires control both parties. when they both pick jerks you don't get a choice anymore you have to vote for one of them.
in many other systems if the big parties lose the faith of the people they can vote for someone else. a few years ago in Canada both the main parties starting pissing people off so they voted NDP. they had never done better than very distant 3rd place. they cut one of the major parties way down. that party got the message. they actually listened to what people wanted and changed their platform and leader.
having other parties gives people options that Americans don't have.
This reminds me of a time a Nigerian (?) student at my university talked politics. Everyone in the class was complaining about how the people don't have a say (do we really not?) and it confused him because where he was from the people have little say. Maybe online it will say that or another, but when we say politics are f***ed in America, we really mean that it is too time consuming to make a well thought opinion and match it to a trusted elected individual. Who actually knows what individual senators, judges, and others related to your own state? Most only focus on the highest elected, since presidents and supreme Court justices make good faces. Truth be told, our system is considered f***ed because there are so many different ways we can lobby or facilitate change. Most popular being parties and money, which were unavoidable and now are expected. To make the system simpler, we would have to reduce liberties, which is something we would hesitate to do. Think about the trend of change in our country. It is becoming more on what should be allowed, rather than banned. It's not because our country is strict and reserved, with so many rules and ideas to pull back on, but because restrictions aren't easy to make, and can backfire when done wrong.
Of course I'm going to have to explain that now. Look at the majority of countries in existence they just had a ruler due to bloodline. One country actually still does that. We are still a relatively young country and have centuries to get our political system down to beat other countries in there's. Plus if it so flawed why do other countries use it?
Just like every country in history you mean.
except that America's recent political history is one bad deal after another. if both parties nominate an ****** then your choice is ****** 1 or ****** 2. the system is rigged. American politics are a train wreck.
the two party system isn't all bad. it's not like their ideas are set in stone. they can be pushed right or left in the primaries and change to the will of the people.
if you have too many candidates a nut job might win with a largest minority, and endless runoffs will cost a lot and will lead to even worse political theatre.
the money can be easily taken out, it's not part of the system but an infestation that rooted itself in. I'm talking about the popular elected president and the system of senate/house representation of localities. the checks and balances, etc. I think it's superior to the coalition governments I've seen in Israel and I think Britain where you only elect Congress and the majority on Congress choose the president.
in this country we the people have the ultimate authority IF we choose to exercise our power. Any politician can easily be removed no matter how much money they bring in or spend.
Sanders is independent and doing fairly well for an independent. It's impossible to be fully independent I'm independent but lean to the right more then the left. So an independent can still run they just get the backing from one of the 2 parties.
the best political system? America has a two party system, meaning only two ideologies people can go by. Money plays a massive part in the elections. The electoral college means some people's votes count more. Independent or small party candidates are afraid to run in case they 'split' votes with similar candidates. The system is far from perfect.
possibly the best political system, especially if the people wake the f up and take back control.
if it means being the undisputed economic powerhouse and capital of innovation, that's a yes. if it means the inspiration for every democratic nation, that's a yes.
If it's getting beat by a militia with outdated equipment and lack of supply, or getting almost bombed of the planet by the germans, or losing half your colonies to a trade agreement it's the UK.
if you think it's size that matters then no. that's Russia. if it is population then no. if its standard if living that's a no. if it's level of incarceration you would be the top. if it is money spent uselessly on the military, or accidental shootings, or school shootings you're probably in 1st.
I would agree but I have a great sense of patriotism.
we still have some flaws...
nahh! UK! All I have to say is free healthcare..... ;)
that depends on your definition of great and who you are asking.