The debate "The Women's March is beneficial to women" was started by
January 23, 2017, 1:36 pm.
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but u? also the statement I made is for the general person. there are loopholes
thats their problem
I wouldn't say they complain to much. women are made to be more vocal about there feelings and problems. while men from the very beginning are told to never share there problems and deal with them because they have to be the foundation.
women complain too much
the fact that you won't even mention, much less defend the PCness of your own statements shows that you realize you are being a hypocrite and are very much a part of the PC culture.
the pc culture silences unnecessary insults rightfully. what does the word nigger or fat slob add to the conversation that obese or African American doesn't mean equally?!?
what your talking about is not PC, just a bastardization the right created to fight legitimate PC.
what you are doing is pretending a perfectly normal, medical term is vulgar. you are censoring the debate. what word would you suggest replace vagina?
you see calling a spade a spade as vulgar and should be censored,
and you see a barrage of vulgarities that address no issues, and are only there to insult as legitimate discussion.
that is stupid.
Political debates should be debates over the things that matter to the nation, not some scum bag mouthing off and interrupting his opponent rather than using valid arguments.
Trump has called women he doesn't like bimbos, fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. He has bragged about kissing unwilling women and grabbing them by the genitals. Explain again why the women's march talking about how much they spend on necessary sanitary products is vulgar, but the POTUS comments are just "calling a spade a spade".
what is so vulgar about an actual event that happens to all women and costs them a lot of money, including tax dollars, a necessity like food and drugs should not be taxed.
they were making a fair point, a point having to do with their vaginas, and in the words of the great Bart Simpson "how the HELL am I supposed to talk about HELL, without using the word HELL."
This is hilarious, I always thought that crazy naked painter chick in the "big lebowski" was just nuts, but apparently some men really do fear the vagina!
cmon, seriously. how are you not being insanely PC here? she isn't even using the vulgar "pussy." vagina is an official medical term. it's not an insult or a cuss. your just queasy over the area that's supposed to turn you on!
oh yeah, and she was raising a legitimate point that you conveniently side stepped.
Ill stand by Trump shattering your Utopian, loving dreams. Theres a distinction between not being PC and being an ******. You shouldn't be driven to the ideology that it is valuable to be "nasty". But you should be able to challenge anyone or anything. One is a model, one is a choice. Being nasty doesnt make for good people.
Theres a difference between calling a spade and spade and being vulgar. Political debates should be uncomfortable and ideas should be challenged. There shouldn't be taboo ideas or positions or opinions. The problem with PC culture is it becomes enforceable and and censorship occurs.
Trump has been widely praised for not being politically correct and for speaking his mind. You yourself have said
I believe offensive speech os a very valuable thing.
In the political correctness debate (I left your typo for accuracy)
You have not been as vocal of a supporter for him, but have you honestly not heard people praising him for not being politically correct?
I am asking you. Applauded him for what? I want to know.
What part of the sentence is giving you trouble?
Applauded him for what?
So you applaud Trump for speaking his mind and not being politically correct but you criticize women for speaking their minds and not being politically correct. Would you please explain your hypocrisy?
You justified women acting out since men act out. What kind of culture is that forming; where equality is who can outdo the other in the worst scopes of action?
Feminine equality is the message. The messengers are butchering that message.
when did I say support anything?
if you want me to call out something wrong, I'll call out the fact that you clearly didn't read a single word in my post. cause you definitely didn't reply to a single thing in it.
mentioning that something happens is not an opinion or a sign for support. it is if it is. or are you going to provide me with "alternative facts"?
so you attack the message by attacking the messenger? is that supposed to be good logic?
A woman called Linda, one of the main organisers of the event, supports Sharia Law, a Muslim system which allows men to beat their wives, women to be executed for adultery, and a husband to rape his wife.
Im not offended. Are you unable to say something is wrong? Against saying that encouraging girls to be like these ridiculous buffoons is not best for their own happiness?
So telling about your penis and grabbing women by their... is a worthy cause to support? I find it ridiculous that you can't call out something wrong. An idea, a movement that wants this discussion to be mainstream and ubiquitous for all peoples.
So you are offended because they weren't politically correct enough for you?
cause men don't talk about their dicks all day? she was also making a pretty relevant point about taxes on feminine hygiene products. the blood was relevant.
it's a women's march, why wouldn't they talk about women's issues, which in this case involved a vagina.
it's just a word bro, no need to get all PC about it.
She very well may be. But its not a sociable conversation to be had. Nasty people are undesirable people. I dont know why women need to be nasty to be strong.
yeah, why shouldn't she be proud?
One of the actual speakers of the Women's march was shouting weird stuff about being proud of the blood on their pants. Stuff about women need to be nasty. It was a weird, cringy speach.
is that in reality or in your head? show me 1 piece of legitimate feminist literature that promotes such a lifestyle.
Because that narrative is bleeding into feminism. Theyre pushing young women into disrespectful, undignified individuals.
why can't you preach rejection of promiscuity instead of feminism as a whole?
It doesnt. But it's a dominant theme thats infecting people.
actually I saw an article hating on her calling her white washed feminism.
why does feminism have a singular agenda?
What!?!? Freedom doesnt mean its right. The KKK has every right to denounce blacks, but its wrong.
She is a voice resonating with the current feminist agenda.
So you don't consider the president a moral example? He is just as much saying that rich white men have the right to molest women as she is that women should be free to sleep with whomever they want.
of course not, but he isn't above doing it himself.
and why does she have to be a moral examplar? why did you dodge the freedoms and rights question?
What are you talking about!? So she is a moral exemplar for having rampant sex because its her vagina to do with what she wants? Trump isnt advocating for sexual assault and rape. Trump doesnt publicly call for men to sexually assault women.
we don't want you to apologize. we are just wondering why you picked an unmarried c grade celebrity instead of the married soon to be leader who may have been borderline forcing himself? it's not his promiscuity that is disgusting, it's the details.
Amy Shumer on the other hand, is single. you may not approve of her lifestyle, but in this nation are you really going to question her right to do what she wants with her vagina?
Im saying we shouldnt encourage people ton have sex to prove equality
How many times do i have to say he was wrong?
that double standard is the root of modern sexism, racism, and general bigotry.
sure your not lynching them anymore, but if they can't keep up with that busted leg, it's their own fault?!?
I don't think he admitted to a crime. it's the grey area of when you can say no, but your not sure. unless of course they would literally get fired, in which case the boss is the criminal.
it's a difficult moral situation. I wouldn't jump to conclusions. but I'd like to stick to the relative moral implications, and also the double standard that runs without notice throughout much of our population.
and sexual assault is a crime. he admitted to kissing and groping women without consent. Trump actually committed a crime, Clinton did not.
then why did you make a fuss over a comedian and not about the leader of our nation doing the same thing? did you not say that the powerful should not be excused when it came to hillary?
which position do you think is more important?
"he was hugely rewarded shortly after that because when a man says things like that conservatives just didn't care"
He was criticized for it by many conservatives.
Neither committed a crime. Neither are justified. Sex being liberating is a new cry for feminists. If you've seen Schumer get political, she believes it. Women are starting to believe that having sex leads to empowerment.
and I never said trump committed a crime. I said he was bragging of sexual promiscuity, while married at that.
funny how you came down so hard for an in character comedy routine about a woman being promiscious, but defended a man saying the same thing but worse (she is unmarried, and he wasn't doing a show)
sex is not liberating. the option to choose and not have it chosen for you is liberating. I'm sure you can understand that.
and if you defend Trump's vulgarity as "he didn't commit a crime" what crime did Amy schumer commit that you attacked her regarding her comedy routine?
double standard again?
"well considering women are shamed for any sexual contact while men brag about how many women they "conquered" attaining sexual equality is empowering."
Yes!!! But men viewing women as items of vast sexual conquest shouldn't be the norm!!
"all you have to do is stop counting how many people other people have sex with. you don't want to be promiscious, dont. it's simple. I don't believe the American way involves monitoring other people's sex lives you pervert :)"
I dont. Im saying that its a mistake to raise anybody under the impression that sex is liberating.
He didnt commit a crime. It was just vulgar.
well considering women are shamed for any sexual contact while men brag about how many women they "conquered" attaining sexual equality is empowering.
is there a reason for this double standard? why men get to just have fun while women must suppress their natural urges?
also, I'm sure many evangelical prolife women would 100% be for equal pay for equal work. especially for colored women who sometimes make almost 50 cents to the dollar. probably not so much on their prolife views but do you really expect people to be mandated to cheer for something they don't agree with?
you don't need to call a man out for that behavior, in fact I haven't seen you do that at all. instead you defended Trump's locker room talk in which he was bragging about the exact same thing, except his wasn't a comedy routine.
all you have to do is stop counting how many people other people have sex with. you don't want to be promiscious, dont. it's simple. I don't believe the American way involves monitoring other people's sex lives you pervert :)
that email thing wasn't illegal. using private servers was a common practice. so while she shouldn't have done it, tons of politicians did it. so singling her out is incredibly stupid.
oh no we were angry with him. at least I'm guessing the conservatives who are more into social than financial. but he was running for president. then again Hilary was to and she got that email thing happen. how many people rallied agaisnt this exactly?
he didn't have it when the made those comments, or when the public found out about them. he was hugely rewarded shortly after that because when a man says things like that conservatives just didn't care. but you want to pretend that a woman saying that is somehow much worse.
right now he has diplomatic immunity. something that always gets in the way of Justice.
And yet he was not punished. He was given arguably the single most powerful position in the world.
Trump said something absolutely disgusting and is by no means acceptable. It is embarassing for men im general for having to be compared with him.
I say he needs to be punished for that as well. he needs to pay for the wrong he has done. but as a side note he believed he was in private while these women do it out in the open. it changes things in some ways but not hugely. I bet u say stuff diff. when u are just with ur friends than when in front of a camera. but what Trump did was still not alright.
except you adamantly refuse to call a man out for that. there is a tape of trump saying he loves to kiss women against their will. and to grab them by the pusy. and you refused to recognize that as reprehensible.
When you have cultural messages being sent out by celebrities like Amy Schumer over how they are proud of how many men theyve had sex with, there isn't a reprecussion? Id call a man out for that behavior, and I feel equally obligated to call out a woman. How is that shaping women to be strong?
I briefly mentioned abortion. Abortion isnt my contention here. Im sick and tired of the moral and social degradation of our culture in efforts to be equal.
How does a pro-life supporter even mischaracterize an abortion? A tube isnt inserted into the uterus and the baby is not sucked up into a vacuum? Pro-life is pro-life. I didnt know circumstances sway a perceived murder. Please, stop using that ridiculous "parroting conservative" talking points talking point! Has nobody ever argued there are circumstances leading to an abortion?
And no, it is absurd that yelling obscenities should be considered a justification.
The leaders themselves of the march didnt belong to an ideological niche?
Why did they march? To protest something we all agree is wrong like rape? Racism? Who are they communicating to? You hear the speeches of the people there--those chosen to represent the movement. They were talking in absolute vulgarity trying to make women sound powerful.
Nothing in the US culture actively attacks women. Want to know who inspires girls? Successful women. Women aren't undermined. You can see that women have comparable admission rates into engineering schools compared to men. Often times they are higher.
Would an Evangelical Christian woman receive the same support from these feminists? HGTV hosts are attacked for going to a church that is against homosexuality.
These women do nothing. They complain about what they have been given and expect more.
Where is the message saying negotiate your contracts? Saying put your all into work? Saying you shouldn't take work off? Where are these scientific role models? Why are they not leading feminism - providing a real example. Ive seen it countless times in my life and it is a tragedy. Ive seen countless women fall victim to their own expectations believing that they are a collective group and not individuals.
Who is saying every woman there was this way? Im saying that is a powerful voice.
Wow, for someone who is disgusted by their lack of representation of those of varying views, you make a number of sweeping assumptions and baseless insults about a broad range of people who marched.
Many had nothing to do with abortion and marched about respect for women (like their right to not be grabbed by the genitals by rich men). Many marched against racism, or attacks on LGBT rights or many other issues that they felt were threatened by this administration.
Whether you agree that they are justified in this fear or not, your dismissal of the entire March shows you have done absolutely no research into who marched and why and are just pulling out the same tired talking points you've heard and parroted before.
While there are certainly exceptions, it is generally the pro-life supporters who mischaracterize the arguments of their opponents. They will stand outside clinics and shout obscenities at people coming out, even knowing nothing of their situation. You yourself are guilty of it now by attacking the character of the women marching without ever bothering to look into why they marched.
how do you know prolife women were excluded?
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I'm somewhat disgusted by the women who led it. They don't care about women, but themselves and their platforms. Pro-life women should have a place in that march. They are treated all most as if they are the Uncle Toms of the feminist movement. What disturbs me the most is the time they have taken up. They bathe themselves in the idea that they may be "nasty" and mean, but shun the beauty and humanity of a strong, dignified woman. It's entirely perverted and it bothers me. Even many female stereotypes have been vilified. What is wrong with women being the moral exemplars for people. Why do they frighten from being prudent in all forms, kind, generous, and caring. These are all human virtues, not vice. It seems as if they want to stick it to men by being men, a tragedy I feel in both action and hope. Men do disgusting things; why are women proud of mimicking it? There's a difference in people who exemplify the "double standard": women who are proud of what is wrong and those who have done what is wrong. If a woman got pregnant when she was young (I mean unmarried, early college, etc), she would most likely receive superficial judgment, but there is an inevitable sympathy that comes to them if they are just strong. The women who gets pregnant, aborts, and is proud and continues this action is weak and cannot face their reality. They lie and believe their lie (which is one of the most dangerous tendencies of all mankind) to justify themselves. It isnt strength, but a facade.