There is a heaven and you can only get there through Jesus

August 12, 2016, 5:09 pm

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The debate "There is a heaven and you can only get there through Jesus" was started by blakelovesjesus on August 12, 2016, 5:09 pm. 21 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 20 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

Alex posted 1 argument, neveralone posted 5 arguments to the agreers part.
Momo posted 1 argument, itsme1 posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 6 arguments, neveralone posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.

blakelovesjesus, dalton7532, Alex, sabrina, reagmc, yabbster, fadi, neveralone, princess100, KiwiSheepTrainer and 11 visitors agree.
historybuff, Momo, thereal, NationalistGuy, itsme1, wmd, TheProudWeirdo, north, Nemiroff, makson and 10 visitors disagree.

neveralone
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he doesn't throw u back either he has given u a choice through Jesus that u can decide. Again praise is not what u need only one thing. it is Jesus.its that simple. and yes it is specific because Jesus and God and the Holy Ghost are one and the same in a way. Jesus told his disciples these things.alright so why is it so bad to accept Christ.in the other religions u pointed out it would be completely fine to accept Jesus so if ur worried about going into heaven like it sounds like and u don't know what to believe u could do that but I would rather to study the religions urself and make informed decisions instead of what people say because praise is definitely not mandatory we are just thank and that's how we show it though if for some reason that offends u u don't have to do it.no its not a sin to solve ur own problems.its great actually, but sometimes u can't do it urself.and I agree let's talk about the lat one on a diff. thread at a diff. time.

3 years, 1 month ago

and please, this is not an attack on you. this is an attack on the default Christian position. it is not meant to be a personal insult, but a challenge to beliefs I simply cannot agree with.

I enjoy debating this "ultimate argument" but I do not push it unless someone starts. I will not claim that God definitely does not exist, it is very possible, but this part of the interpretation of his intentions just feels very wrong to me.

3 years, 1 month ago

and as I stated, the other 2 major Abrahamic faiths make no demand of worshipping their specific diety or prophets. they value deeds over words, and I commend that. Christianity alone among them claims all will be damned. it is also the only one among them which among all of its languages failed to create a word for good deed. it is obsessed with sin and fear. although the damnation of nonbelievers disgusts me, the obsession of sin and fear disappoints me. those are my 2 issues with Christian ideology.

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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if you don't praise the fire fighter, does he toss you back into the fire? with that, your average firefighter is already more virtuous than your interpretation of God. I can be generally grateful to a higher power for creating this wonderful world without the demand for prayer nor accepting a highly specific belief of who his son is and what his name is. I don't believe it is a sin to try to solve my own problems with my own mind and my hands. he did give us a brain for that very reason did he not?

you did confront me on the creation of the universe, I am rather proficient in the sciences for a layman and I would gladly engage further topics and in greater detail if you like. ask away, although I doubt this particular thread will be the place.

3 years, 1 month ago

praising God didn't begin it it is once u have accepted him that u see what he does and praise is how we show thanks. just like u would think somone for helping pack something up. so in ur open just because I'm a nice guy I should go to heaven. if that was so then instead of teaching about God I should be telling everyone hey don't worry just be nice and you'll go to heaven. no we teach about a savior because we are that that is what he is. just like a firemen pulling u out of the fire.

it is not this thread exactly it is in every thread I have seen atheist are always on the attack and never on defense and that ain't how it should be. a debate shouldn't be one-sided.
He loves u but that does not mean he will not punish u.

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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the majority of the scripted prayers praise God and as way as I am aware are mandatory of any mass, communion, and even before/after meals. my head is level, I praise many of jesus's teachings. but this part of Christianity that values acceptance of christ over ones deeds disgusts me. there is no other way to say it.

it stinks of either a fraudulent god, or a corrupted message. and I reject it wholeheartedly.

what do you wish to ask atheists in a thread titled "you can only get to heaven through christ." this seems like the exact thread title that would have a Christian on the defensive as it is his default position that anyone of any other faith would push against. it is anathema of the religion that promotes forgiveness, love, and caring. it is the definition of a conditional love, and the exact opposite of a loving parent.

3 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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now nemiroff I ask u to keep the level head u have had in our other conversations. praise isn't mandatory. the only thing that is is accepting Jesus as ur Lord and Savior. nothing else. and do u think it would be fair if God stole u away at the moment of ur death and force u to be with him for eternity?I do not think so. I have answered all of y'all's attacks and I have two things to say. 1)where did all the other people who pressed agree went on this and all those other questions about Jesus.and 2) I have been asked to answer many questions of my own and I would like to ask some questions of my own against the atheist side of the story because debates are supposed to show both sides of the story.

3 years, 1 month ago

but praise is a part of it, and a MANDATORY part. neither Judaism nor Islam demand you accept their saviors. they demand actions and living a good life. that aspect of Christianity truly revolts me and seems anti all of jesus's other teachings.

3 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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praise is only a part of it. we talk to God and ask for help with problems we maybe having.

3 years, 1 month ago

my parents also did not demand I praise them daily with pre-written prayers.

3 years, 1 month ago
Nemiroff
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my parents were not a faith based mystery with everlasting consequences.

3 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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it is not vanity but obedience. did u not mine ur parents when u were a child. and if not weren't u punished. the same applies to God.

3 years, 1 month ago

screw the vain God who judges your goodness based on whether you bow your head to him. I though God did not have human weaknesses, and vanity is a major sin, so this "God" is a fraud and can kiss my ass.

3 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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thank u.

3 years, 1 month ago

I agree that you can only go to heaven if u hv faith in God.u can be the most smartest and nicest person. but if u don't hv faith in Jesus u expect on judgement day when Jesus comes he will say u are nicer than one so come with me .no no no.its not like dat my friends . he will say did you hv faith in me ?did you obey all the 10 commandments? then if u did so come to my kingdom...so if u think nicer and smarter without faith bringing you to heaven change that thought..my dear friends

3 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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just because u lead a good life doesn't mean u get a get into heaven free card. that wouldn't be right.it is through knowing Jesus on a personal level that u get into heaven which if u don't love Jesus then u won't want to be in anyways

3 years, 1 month ago
itsme1
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i disagree with the statement. Everyone has different beliefs and its your good deeds which could take you to the heaven, its not like you bully around and in the end Jesus would come and support you.

3 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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There is no contrary proof neither: it would be foolish to believe something disproven objectively.

3 years, 3 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Catholics, for instance, have no quarrel with evolution.

3 years, 3 months ago

Ridiculous. No objective proof, no rational base, no compelling evidence. The bible is a collection of hearsay myths most of which can be easily discounted by objective analysis. If a creator being exists, I am entirely confident it wouldn't prefer one species of primate on one watery rock in one solar system on the fringes of billions of solar systems that make up only one of the billions of galaxies in this single universe.

What an arrogant idea.

3 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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Evolution is supported by all available evidence, as you know from previous debates. You are right though, that's another debate.

3 years, 3 months ago

almost as little evidence of evolution, but that's another point.

3 years, 3 months ago

every religion says they have the correct beliefs. there is no more evidence that Christianity is correct then any other religion. that is to say, it has very little evidence.

3 years, 3 months ago

That is what the Bible says.

3 years, 3 months ago
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