There is no religion called ISLAM

July 10, 2016, 2:45 am

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The debate "There is no religion called ISLAM" was started by Heny_Ben_Ayed on July 10, 2016, 2:45 am. 7 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 19 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

Daffa8799 posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 3 arguments, wdz posted 3 arguments to the disagreers part.

nikk, NotoriousBishop, beatrice, sagarparab and 3 visitors agree.
Daffa8799, Nemiroff, EddyCamacho, Pablerasdh, wdz, SwaggerPoptart, JakobBoghora, makson and 11 visitors disagree.

wdz
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it would be difficult for me to provide you with verses simply to allow you to argue your points against those who claim Islam's violent nature. I would simply recommend reading up on the Tafsirs of al-tabari or ibn-kathir for example.

if you would like more succinct and digestible explanations, there are many youtube channels such as "loveAllah", or videos by Noumain ali khan, or Mufti Menk, but there are other examples I can't think of atm. But whatever sources you look at, maintain a open mind with critical thinking. Judge the sources, judge the meanings people give based on the supporting evidence they provide. If people judge purely on reading single verses, without taking into account the time it was revealed, the context it was in, the nature and situation at the time, and without taking into account credible, peer-to-peer acknowledged scholarly thought, then there is no point.

3 years, 3 months ago
Nemiroff
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no I have not. I was hoping you would point out a few phrases to help arm me in my debates against such claims though. I would not have a chance to read the quran for at least several years as I am studying at the moment and have my hands full.

3 years, 3 months ago
wdz
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that's fine, I accept that.

usually a lot of claims about Islam are made out of ignorance or misinformation, so I don't blame some people in those instances. what is frustrating are those people who intentionally seek to corrupt the message and teachings of Islam; by those who disbelieve in Islam. and also by those who supposedly believe in Islam

Have you ever read the Quran? even if not the Arabic, the English meaning of the translation?

3 years, 3 months ago
Nemiroff
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I never said it's a bad thing, I just find it inferior to the unifying message of a different faith. I don't subscribe to that faith, I just like the message it preaches.

and I never said it is a religion of violence, I never read their texts, however "the religion of violence" is a common theme on these debate forums and I wanted to hear a counter narrative from a practitioner of islam.

3 years, 3 months ago
wdz
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why is wanting to portray the message of one's beliefs to another person a bad thing? It's as fair as any person wanting to share their beliefs and ideas on anything else.
Furthermore, in the Quran, Surah 2 v.256, it ckearky states there is no compulsion in religion as true guidance has been made distinct from falsehood, so the idea that Muslims convert in some way which is unpalatable is not a teaching supported by Islamic scripture

I do appreciate your honesty. If you want to find out more about the Islamic faith, don't consult Fox news, don't consult those with biased and hidden agendas, don't consult those who themselves do not follow the guidance issued by the scripture. if you want to know Islam, consult the Quran, along with commentary provided by the most esteemed Islamic scholars who have dedicated their lives to holistically explain the Quran, and also study the 'reliable and authenticated' hadith, or sayings and actions of prophet Muhammed

if you would like to discuss the "violence" in the Quran, please cite some references from the quran so that a fair discussion can take place (I will concede that I do not have all knowledge, so for things I cannot ans, I will say so)

3 years, 3 months ago

I think it's just another religion, and vastly inferior (along with christianity) to the B'hai faith which has a very logical and reasonable philosophy based on the common description of the abrahamic God's attributes and presumed philosophy.

Judaism being more humble and less focused on converting everyone is much better imo, but not as good as b'hai which preaches unity and peace (but not in the conversion form).

I have never read the quran however and am curious how you feel about all the verse often cited as promoting violence. are they taken out of historical or narrative context? I would love to hear a Muslim address them.

3 years, 4 months ago
Heny_Ben_Ayed
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i'm a muslim and i'm proud be .
i'm accually trying to find out what non-muslims think of islam .

3 years, 4 months ago

And this is came from a muslim?? Are you a true believer? Or just ex-muslim?

3 years, 4 months ago
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