The debate "Think about it- Equality is bad" was started by
April 11, 2016, 7:39 pm.
9 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 15 people are on the disagree side.
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It looks like most people are against to this statement.
Alex posted 15 arguments, jamesbond007 posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
PsychDave posted 6 arguments to the disagreers part.
Alex, ProudAmerican888, jamesbond007, wildcat79 and 5 visitors agree.
SocialistForrest, PsychDave, afwaza15, RyanWakefield, ariananis2, bearjew1984, confident, itsme, codyray16, Zuhayr and 5 visitors disagree.
I get what some of the comments are implying. How I see it a kid out of high school shouldn't make the same as a doctor. Is that really unequal though? No. the kid is probably going to college, maybe on a farm in Texas, maybe over seas in combat.
When it comes to things like 2 people are equal in the same field with the same experience they are equal though. It doesn't matter if they're both accountants and the Asian male gets paid more then the black female because "Asians are good at math and he's a male" or a child gets told to take off a bracelet that as WWJD on it when other kids are in class learning.
It's just a line drawn between equality and common sense.
first stop the strawman. I'm not saying we stop trade with China. I said we either make good trade deals, and if they break the rules we break the rules, or punish them. but your against punishing china for breaking the rules. what we are doing now is letting chiba have the hand.we need the hand, we need the control. why let china be in charge? why not make chiba depend on trade with us, instead of having to depend on trade with China. this is the difference between a good trade deal and a bad one. o will make good trade deals that put us in charge and benifit US citizens. #Alexfor president2036
So what you are planning is to antagonize one of the strongest economic partners of the US and expect that they will fall in line with what you want? Good luck with that. It didn't work with North Korea, it didn't work with Russia, it didn't work with Cuba, but I'm sure it will with China. After all, it's not like they have the kind of resources to draw from that Cuba does. They will fold much faster.
the nig thing is what we're doing now Is bad, what we need to do is something different and sonething that works
"How will you "make China follow the rules? Trade sanctions (since they worked so well on Cuba and North Korea), diplomacy (good luck talking them into hurting their own economy) or invasion?"
diplomacy on china, maybe a few sanctions on Mexico. if chiba doesn't follow the diplomacy, we do something Obama Is scared to do. we break the rules. if china breaks the rules to benefit china, we break the rules to benefit the us. China would then look at the chaos and want some diplomacy. I'll tell you Trump knows how to break rules, and be in control when rules are being brocken.
as for Mexico, they can't survive without us.
OK, good, you have a fantasy that you call a plan. When we live in your head it will work, until then we should continue to base decisions on the real world.
How will you "make China follow the rules? Trade sanctions (since they worked so well on Cuba and North Korea), diplomacy (good luck talking them into hurting their own economy) or invasion?
Next you want to make deals that benefit us not them. Great, how? I want to buy a winning lottery ticket, but intentions don't do anything. You would have to convince them to take those deals which, if they don't see any benefit, they wouldn't do.
You figure that will make companies pay millions to set up new factories in the US where they have to pay workers better wages, pay to provide safe working conditions and pay for environmental protection against pollution. How does that work?
Next you plan to tax companies outside the US. How exactly do you intend to do that? Get rid of free trade agreements, thus crippling other parts of the US economy?
Your entire plan is based on a faulty view of international trade and economic factors.
China and Mexico are breaking rules. China has been a currency manipulater since Obama took office. first step is to make them follow the rules. next step is to make good trade deals that benifit us not china. once we've done that companies will not make as much in China, and they will move back to america. also if companies think they can move a factory to Mexico and get cheap workers, then send us their goods at high prices they are wrong. instead of taxing the rich in america, I'll tax the factories and companies outside america. this will have the opposite affect and instead of driving factories out, it will drive them in.
of couse trade between countries is huge and I will defiantly keep it, we simply need america to be desirable to build a business in.
How will you attract these factories? You keep saying you will, but the only way to do so would be to allow them to exploit Americans the way they currently exploit Chinese and Mexican workers.
You also talk about bringing in high paying factory management jobs without pausing to think about the low paying factory worker jobs those would depend on. Families used to be able to survive on a single income from a factory job, do you expect that to still be the case?
As to why I am in debt, I am the second of 4 kids from a lower income farming family. My parents couldn't afford to help us through university. What summer job do you expect people to get to be able to get through school debt free?
I only need 1 car and 1 house. I'm not married yet though. but still I don't see the point if having 2 houses/apartments/villas. unless one needs to for work if they travel between two places.
if you are saying in that aspect, my father is rich. we own 2 villas and 2 plot of land and 2 cars. my father has to repay a small loan. my father is an engineer.
well I'm not in any debt.
so you are very rich?
Not yet. haha
alex are you rich. i mean like billionaire
I'm not sure what you studies in collage, what your job is, or how good your money management is.
I'll say it again:
I will being jobs into america, higher paying factory management jobs will be given to the hardworking poor.
skilled factory jobs or other new American jobs will be given to collage graduates.
It's great that you believe that, but it isn't how reality works. I've been out of college for years and still have debt. I worked throughout school and haven't been unemployed since.
You claim hardworking people will get promoted but there are only so many spaces for people to be promoted into. If most of the employees for a business are hard working, how will they all get promoted?
number 1 for sure
as for the hardworking person who isn't on welfare. they will most likely be promoted since they are hardworking. then they will make it out of poverty. this happens all the time, I just as president would love to see it happen more.
same plan as to how to get collage graduates jobs. collage graduates payed off student debt by their first year or two of work, if they can't find work, that's a problem. So let's give them work. bring jobs into america from Mexico, china, and many other countries. take a guess at how much computers and TV'S are made in the US. so these jobs will require smart people who graduate collage, while labor jobs will be filled by the not working poor, and the management positions will be filled by the hardworking poor.
what is better?
1. people working for their money?
2. people tacking money from the goverment?
Alex, you constantly complain about the lazy poor but never address the poor who are working 3 jobs and barely surviving. They are the reason people support a livable minimum wage. Families used to be able to live on a single income. That is no longer true. People used to be able to graduate university debt free from their income during the year and over the summer. That is no longer true. Wages have not kept up with cost of living, which means people who are making what they did years ago gradually fall farther and farther into poverty.
For starters some jobs require extensive schooling. If you spent tens of thousands of dollars on medical school and someone else got a job right out if high school, you will have paid far more for your education. If you had to borrow to do it you why spend a long time paying it off. As such doctors, lawyers, etc deserve higher wages based on requiring more education and training. Same goes for trades people.
Not so simple.
simple if everyone gets same wages, everyone will be rich. then there wouldnt be workers and labourers.
Who said everyone should get the same wage? Actually studies show that a higher minimum wage does not have many negative effects but more positives. It also doesn't change demand for higher paying jobs. It did increase the amount of people who wanted jobs however (I can post a link if you want to one article on this I read recently)
As for tax brackets and taxes, I use to think that everyone should get taxed the same, but now I see that ten percent of 1000000 means less/ is less detramental than ten percent of 20000-30000.
you seem to think becoming an executive is bad? it's actually good to become an executive and make millions.
no one is claiming that everyone should earn the same wage. that is yet another straw man argument. but there is a difference between the minimum wage jobs that do alot of the work and the million dollars a year that executives make.
and equality and people's wages. let's say we have "equality" and everyone gets the same wage. them everyone would want the "superviser" job not the laborer, little to no work would be done since the inefficient would get the same wage as the efficient cause, you know "equality"
I was not going for any equality- communism here, but showing what it means when socialists say "equal"
"equality doesn't mean all people get exactly the same thing"
"it means all sick people get medical care. it means all people get a wage they can live on." -seems like the same thing to me.
equality doesn't mean all people get exactly the same thing. equality means all people are treated equally. it means all sick people get medical care. it means all people get a wage they can live on. equality and communism are not even close to the same thing. you are making another straw man argument. or you are really so foolish as to not see the difference.
I hear socialists going on and on about equality and taxing the rich at higher rates to make the lazy poor not poor. is this what we want? forget the economic collapse, but basic human morals go against equality. do u think crimminals should get out of jail free? cause that's equality. do you think trump should be treated the same as sanders? cause that's equality?
equality would only work in a perfect world. all men are created equal, but what we chose to do requires different results. the equally created good and lazy guy don't deserve equal money. so stop making "equal" laws and supporting those who want "equality" instead make people want to work hard to get to the top, provide them, not with welfare, but with opportunity for them to excel.