Too many atheists today are turning atheism into a religion the very thing they claim to detest

February 2, 2018, 5:30 pm

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The debate "Too many atheists today are turning atheism into a religion the very thing they claim to detest" was started by Slymcfly on February 2, 2018, 5:30 pm. 23 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 8 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

Slymcfly posted 9 arguments, Ematio posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 10 arguments to the disagreers part.

Slymcfly, seavos, Ematio, Post_it_note, sabrina, emotions_suck, chasediedrich1 and 16 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, TreyO, DrMrDaniel, Against_eu and 4 visitors disagree.

Slymcfly
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I think we've already discussed this. Also, I had originally thought that the first response, which read something like, "uhh, maybe because they ARE morally superior?" was you, when it wasn't. Which completely skewed the way I read what you were saying. I thought that if you had made a comment that stupid, you deserved everything I was saying. However, that individual did not end up returning.

9 months ago
Nemiroff
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who don't you pull up my quote?
who am I kidding, your allergic to quotes. so here it is.

"not the party, but the leadership yes.

both parties have corrupt individuals. some who are evil, some who do good but could do better but get greedy. and some who honestly want to do best. heck, everything in between.

*but I feel one party, in it's leadership specifically, has been organized corrupted to possibly the level of treason.*

when it comes to the influence of money on our politics. foreign or domestic. I feel one party has been corrupted beyond acceptability. because of that issue alone I believe one party can be considered morally superior. this should be an outrage.'

learn to ready buddy

9 months, 1 week ago
Slymcfly
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Really Nemiroff. Why don't we post this conversation and see if that's the argument you were actually making. Because the discussion was ABOUT the constituents, not the politicians. The PEOPLE are what make this country work. And to believe that you are morally superior to your counter-part is a POISONOUS ideology, and again, an ideology that has ALREADY led to the deaths of MILLIONS of people.

9 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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leadership of the Republican party*

9 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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your representation of my morality comparison is out of context, not surprisingly. I am debating with 3 hardcore liberitarians but I have only called you biased.... hmmm

I cited a specific issue on which it appears the Republican party is undermining the power of all of we the people by promoting money in politics. i feel that this issue is so vital that it does tip the scales of morality, but I did not make that claim about the constituents or any other policy issues.


as for the damning:

that depends on the situation.
the ones that call all republicans bigots are hateful.
the ones that call bigots bigots, are just stating a fact.
is it wrong to call a killer a killer?

9 months, 1 week ago
Slymcfly
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So "damning" someone to being hateful, is itself hateful? So then all these Democrats who baselessly go around calling people sexists and homophobes and racists, are all hateful? I think that's something I can actually get on board with!

Correct me if I'm wrong, Nemiroff, but you were just debating with me the other day, stating that Democrats are morally superior to Republicans. So I'm not sure how you get off on acting as if you're above making hateful generalizations... I must say that it is pretty rich coming from you, sir.

9 months, 1 week ago

first 2 are opinion pieces.

the 3rd is a legitamete ethical dilemma within the medical community. very news worthy. nothing to do with partisanship.

the 4th one is a squabble between Christians internationally. sounds like big news to me. should we silence information? taking either side could be considered anti religion lol. they are just reporting.

I'll stop here. let me know which of there or the other ones you want to discuss cause we can't do all of them simultaneously. but I don't think these 4 are valid.

9 months, 1 week ago

thought you did*

9 months, 1 week ago
Ematio
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Would you like it if everybody thought did something bad with no evidence to think that way? Wouldn't you be annoyed by that?

9 months, 1 week ago

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/opinion/trump-christian-right-values.html?referer=http://www.google.com/
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/health/religion-medical-treatment/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/opinions/evangelicals-samaritan-immigration-leadership-cornell-brooks-opinion/index.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a13384fe4b08b00ba6732d2/amp#ampshare=https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/repent-and-believe-in-the-gospel-over-300-christian_us_5a13384fe4b08b00ba6732d2
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a5e3c51e4b0fcbc3a13f575?utm_hp_ref=christianity
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a184f0ee4b068a3ca6df7ad/amp#ampshare=https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/exposing-americas-biggest-hypocrites-evangelical_us_5a184f0ee4b068a3ca6df7ad

9 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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heck, find me these media generalizations about christians!

I think this whole "left wing mainstream media" is fake news. he's under scrutiny because he is suspicious, because he tries to stop scrutiny, and because he's interesting as hell.

I would love watching all this play out if i wasn't gonna live in it. this is better and worse than any tv show.

9 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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quote my generalizations.

I usually add some, many, or most to my statements, and when I use all. I stand by it.

shortened and sensationalized thread names aside. :p

9 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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"how is it hateful to say that Atheists hate Christians?"

it is hateful. you are, in 3 words, damning all atheists to being hateful. that is hateful.
and it's can't possibly be factual.

"By that same logic, it is hateful when all your fellow Democrats call people racist, or sexist, or bigoted"

that depends on the situation.
the ones that call all republicans bigots are hateful.
the ones that call bigots bigots, are just stating a fact.
is it wrong to call a killer a killer?

9 months, 1 week ago
Slymcfly
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Think you misunderstood what I was saying, or misread part of it. But I also left a word out that changed the entire first part of that paragraph. That's my bad.

9 months, 1 week ago
Slymcfly
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Sorry, I meant that you have made generalizations, and mainstream media makes them about Christians CONSTANTLY.

9 months, 1 week ago
Slymcfly
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Also, how is it hateful to say that Atheists hate Christians? By that same logic, it is hateful when all your fellow Democrats call people racist, or sexist, or bigoted, etc... And it's something I've noticed. I've never once spoken to an atheist who didn't make DAMN SURE to let me know, while letting me know how dumb I am for believing in something that is more powerful than me.

9 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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quote my generalizations about Christians and mainstream media please.

9 months, 1 week ago
Slymcfly
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Ematio thank you! Didn't even read your comment before I went to defend myself. You need to come on here more often. I could use at least ONE person who is logical and can back me up.

9 months, 1 week ago
Slymcfly
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Nemiroff, you want to talk about generalizations? You have already done that with Christians, as well as the rest of the mainstream media. Which is fine. Generalizations are totally fine, and they're absolutely necessary to save time on discussions. What ISN'T fine, is using generalizations yourself, and calling someone else out on using generalizations. Generalizations are a necessity when discussing politics. You're going to have to get over that.

9 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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which generalization did I make? are you referring to the republicans supporting nepotism? that wasn't an argument but a thread title. I know most republicans don't actually support nepotism but they seem to not even care that it is happening. also I argued that doing nothing, in this case, is equal to support and that all of your representatives seemed to be openly ok with it.

compare that with the claim that all atheists are "in lockstep when it comes to putting down christians," which is pretty ridiculous and hateful.

9 months, 1 week ago
Ematio
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Nemiroff, why is it that when you generalize, it's okay. But when we generalize, it's not?

9 months, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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your big on generalizing aren't you?

some atheists do think Christians are stupid and put them down.
some Christians think atheists are stupid and put them down.

the proportion is about the same in both, it's a subset of people known as ******s. they are everywhere, in every group, nation, and culture. also, finding a few doesn't make an entire group guilty.

9 months, 2 weeks ago
Slymcfly
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I was talking more about the organized nature in which they seek to all be in lockstep when it comes to putting down Christians and considering them to be stupid. They often point out how much they hate having views shoved down their throats, all while doing that themselves.

9 months, 2 weeks ago

atheism isn't a religion because it doesn't have a core tenant. it is literally a lack of a belief in something. it doesn't describe anything about what the person actually believes in....

there is no religion that just says "not islam" you have to actually believe in something for it to be religion.
the only thing you know about an atheist is that he is not a theist.

9 months, 2 weeks ago
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