The debate "Too many people are being fired on allegations" was started by
December 6, 2017, 4:24 am.
8 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 2 people are on the disagree side.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
dalton7532 posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 3 arguments to the disagreers part.
dalton7532, victoria, Kulu and 5 visitors agree.
Nemiroff and 1 visitor disagree.
yes, I would agree. perhaps suspended employment if the evidence is damning. but innocent until proven guilty.
however would you be ok with enforcing that on private industries? the firings are not convictions but PR moves to appease the public. as was said perfectly in men in black, "people are smart, but masses are stupid." outrageous accusations stir up emotions and companies may view firing not as justice but as a good business practice. which is why Congress didn't react the same.
Yes, it is damning. The one I provided was a recent accusation, about the NFL player. What inspired this post was previous cases of false allegations with punishment, and the possibility of it having again. Can we agree that if they say they're not guilty, at least let them have a chance to defend themselves before they get fired?
the second example is hard to judge. we don't get any details, just the result of the various appeals.
these are also alittle different from the recent accusations which I believe inspired this post. multiple women gave independent accounts with matching details and low likelihood of conspiracy (since the abuses span many years or decades and it's unlikely the women knew about each other).
multiple matching testimonies is pretty damning evidence imo.
Oh wait, I found one that I think potentially he is likely innocent. If you don't want to read it, it basically states he was suspended from the NFL for allegations although the courts never found him guilty after 1 year of investigating because "The NFL’s disciplinary process does not carry the same burden of proof as the legal system"
I think we can bring up the Michelle Fields story again. A lot of people jumped on the hate band wagon demanding he should be fired. Turned out she was lying and he was innocent. I think this situation will apply to multiple men being accused now. I can't really point specifically to any one person because all these accusations have not been through the process yet. However, I will put previous cases of men falsely accused of assault and sexual harassment below.
can you point to any of them specifically?
We judge the various accusations to see if they stand up in the court of law and lead to a conviction. That would be the civilized thing to do. Also, I have a feeling a lot of those accusations are hardly sexual harassment, and they are just blown out of proportion so people can feel important for once. This can turn very bad for men and even women.
I don't think that's the right question to ask. the correct number isn't more or less, it's the number of people guilty.
the right question imo would be, how do we judge the various accusations.