Transgenderism Is a mental disorder

November 27, 2018, 12:14 pm

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The debate "Transgenderism Is a mental disorder" was started by Dushonjj2 on November 27, 2018, 12:14 pm. 51 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 28 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

SMNR posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 1 argument, JDAWG9693 posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
TheExistentialist posted 3 arguments, Nemiroff posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

Dushonjj2, SMNR, Jakellutis, TJ, kritika_143, byniched, letsgobro, goodlo, JDAWG9693, jemiju, Seejay, jrardin12 and 39 visitors agree.
TheExistentialist, sadiya123, rainbowsocked, Coriander and 24 visitors disagree.

JDAWG9693
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My thing is that Gender Dysphoria, I think, is mostly not best solved with transitioning. The suicide rate is near equal before and after transitional surgery and/or hormones. We should be aiming to help them, but praising their illness is NOT the way.

2 days, 13 hours ago
Nemiroff
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I hope you understand that so far we have no disagreements on the subject, but just the semantics.

they were used rather interchangeably in the past, but the idea of gender personality didnt exist in the mainstream west. I see no point in having redundant words and cant really find any other examples. why not differentiate the words, its not like you are rejecting the concept behind it.

because, as you said, your "sex" was still male, because at its heart this is defined by genetics and no amount of surgery or hormones can change that. it will simply shorten your syllables or character length. I'm always in favor of short hand.

5 days, 19 hours ago
JDAWG9693
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That greatly depends on who you talk to. I'm sure we could both site authoratative sources on both sides of our arguments

5 days, 20 hours ago
JDAWG9693
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Gender is based on your biological sex, and are practically and linguistically (until about 50-60 years ago when "gender theory" started up) the same. Gender expression is based on how you dress, act, etc. For example, I am a male and I have cross dressed before. At that time, my gender expression was female, but I was still a male.

5 days, 20 hours ago
Nemiroff
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what is the difference between gender expression and gender?

and what is the difference between gender and sex?

6 days, 20 hours ago
TheExistentialist
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Sociologists, anthropologists, and psychologists disagree with you; you know, the people that actually study the matter....

1 week ago
JDAWG9693
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No, because I believe that gender and sex are closely enough related to be, in a practical sense, the same thing. Gender expression and gender are relatively different

1 week ago
Nemiroff
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wouldn't it be easier to say: "I believe in more then 2 genders but only 2 sexes"?

1 week, 1 day ago

I believe in more than two gender expressions, but only two genders.

1 week, 1 day ago
JDAWG9693
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Actually, body dysmorphic disorder is "confusion of the body" and gender dysphoria is "confusion of gender." That was more nitpicking ?? But, both of these conditions are classified as mental illnesses in the DSM-5, meaning that they are both recognized disorders (also, your definition of what a mental illness is is wrong). That being the case, I do believe is inclusivity, but more in a healing manner and support in the sense that we (or those who feel inclined to) should help those with mental illnesses and not discriminate against them for their mental illness. I do NOT believe that we should embrace their mental illness as good, as it is an illness.

1 week, 1 day ago
Nemiroff
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its only a theory but not only would they not be in pain, but they would also not be transgender. they would eventually find a spot on the gender spectrum without associating a disconnect with their physical body.

so although I don't see anything wrong with the 3rd gender movement, the trans gender where people seek correction still seems like a disorder.

2 weeks ago
TheExistentialist
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Exactly; if there were no negative social stigma attached to being transgender, would being so actually cause "pain" or "harm" in any way? I don't think it would.

2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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idk, self hatred or disgust needing medical intervention seems dysphoric to me.

although i do think the whole "illness" is due to societies rigid gender divide. your should be either a manly man, or a girly girl, and a manly girl gets confused. gets dysphoric. stop being so rigid, and people will be fine without needing body modification.

2 weeks ago

Well according to studies performed by the WHO "gender dysphoria" or "gender incongruence" is to be removed from ICD and eventually the DSM. In order for a "condition" to be considered pathological, it must create pain or social harm. The newest studies show that the actual "gender incongruence" doesn't cause any pain or social harm, rather it is the social stigma that surrounds "gender incongruence" that causes the harm. In fact, they stated that the classification of "gender incongruence" as pathological added to the stigma and thus the harm that people with the "condition" experienced.

2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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if people are so uncomfortable with their bodies that they need life long hormones or surgical alterations, then it sounds like something that causes great dysfunction in their lives. especially since many report feeling much better after surgery.

so until it is medically corrected, it is very much an illness. and it is entirely mental, as there is nothing physical wrong with them.

2 weeks, 2 days ago

Body dysphoria is the term used to describe seeing yourself and your body a different way than the reality of the situation. Mental Illnesses require a deficit or disfunction in their life and ability to function normally. Transsexuals are not all mentally Ill and the social movement is more about acceptance as well as understanding which is something I support.

2 weeks, 2 days ago

And your point is?

2 weeks, 3 days ago
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